By the usual math it is slightly overpowered, especially for a neutral non-legendary. It would be "fair" if it didn't have spell damage or if the effect was a deathrattle. Without spell damage it is comparable to Gnomish Inventor, which is a fair card. If it was a deathrattle it would be more in line with Thalnos.
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By the usual math it is slightly overpowered, especially for a neutral non-legendary. It would be "fair" if it didn't have spell damage or if the effect was a deathrattle. Without spell damage it is comparable to Gnomish Inventor, which is a fair card. If it was a deathrattle it would be more in line with Thalnos.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
C'thun, Breaker of Guilds
He did actually break my guild and my interest in playing WoW.
Honestly not a bad result.
C'thun wasn't that bad, it was a few of the bosses getting to him. The twins were a particular nightmare, iirc. As was that one that did aoe poison stuff or something.
THAT'S IT. HUHU. Ugh ugh gugh. That was the worst one in the entire raid. Tons of aoe damage and silencing, ugh.
Gimme a huhu card so I can dust it (unless it's really good).
TGT cards are bad specifically against the over-powerful Naxx and GvG cards - not against the base or classic sets. I don't feel like your view on either of those sets is colored by actual experience with the changing meta, as you only started playing recently.
Naxx started the trend of sticky, deathrattle minions that are undercosted for their abilities - nerfing removal and AOE and enabling a two-year long aggro meta. GvG only bolstered the tempo game, and seriously hurt the card variety, by releasing cards like Shredder and Boom - which not only fit into every deck archetype, but are almost unilaterally the best cards at their mana cost in any deck.
Essentially, the cards in GvG were either undercosted or had too many stats - were too sticky and proactive and fit into too many archetypes. RNG is actually not even a top-3 reason that set is broken IMO.
Huhu as a card would be the cross between Maexxna and Foe Reaper.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Pretty much everything about AQ40 besides the launch event sounds terrible. Even going through the place in Wrath/Cata was like
"Ugh this place goes on FOREVER"
"Another boss? Are you serious???"
"The enemies RESPAWN?"
"This guy can only be killed with frost damage? What the hell is frost damage?"
"Furthermore what the hell is poison resist?"
"Ugh this place goes on FOREVER"
"Another boss? Are you serious???"
"The enemies RESPAWN?"
"This guy can only be killed with frost damage? What the hell is frost damage?"
"Furthermore what the hell is poison resist?"
It was great at the time! except fucking Huhuran.
First C'thun kill is my favourite ever raid experience
also that music tho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCLJjV3Ewpc
GvG is far too strong just like Naxx.
BRM and LoE are more the power you would expect, TGT a bit below but still not really that bad... just bad when it has to compete against GvG and Naxx stuff.
The power curve that was increased by GvG and Naxx made the TGT set a lot worse. With those gone, TGT set will look a lot better now.
Honestly speaking it doesn't take a lot of cards to make an expansion increase the curve. GvG had a lot of bad cards that never got use but the cards that were good were nuts.
irfaanator
Banned
I see the mage spell in a reno mage deck. Seems fairly good in that sort of situation. The 4/6 isn't bad b/c it guarantees your win/deck condition to be in your hand unless you are screwed by card draw. Idk how I feel about the 10/10 though. I feel like it could be good but I feel like in a control deck there are a bunch of cards you don't want popping out of your deck. I could see it in an astral communion druid deck w/ the 4/6s so who knows
That Mage spell is a bit anti synergy with Reno. If say you get a Fireball from that card and you already have a Fireball in your deck... then Reno no longer works.
Reno only counts duplicates in your deck, not in your hand. That's why if you are running double Mad Scientist or something in a Reno mage deck, just drawing one is enough to activate Reno.
I know, if you have a Fireball in your deck and you get another Fireball from that new card, then Reno can't trigger until you draw your other Fireball from your deck.
Super Nothing
Member
The new Mage card doesn't shuffle them into your deck, it puts them in your hand.
Karsticles
Member
Reno will still work. It's all about what's in your deck; your hand doesn't count.
I look at a lot of TGT cards, and they just aren't appealing. I would probably end up putting more Classic cards in my deck. There are just too many stinkers. Maybe Inspire isn't properly valuated by Blizzard? There are cards like Silver Hand Regent that are hard to see the value in because they are so expensive.
irfaanator
Banned
it should still work since like if you have two fireballs in your deck once you draw the first one, reno should activate as long as no other duplicate is in the deck
LOL brain fart, this is what happens when you try to multitask at work...
The value of Inspire goes up when you have more than one Inspire cards in play. If you have both Silverhand and Murloc Knight in play... suddenly your board is completely full after using one hero power. The snowball potential with Inspire minions is very high. This is evident from playing Arena where Inspire cards are quite good. Inspire is just underwhelming when the field is dominated by high tempo, high sticky aggressive minions.
There are definitely some bad Inspire cards for sure. Poison Blade and that 5/4 that puts a 2/2 in your hand are pretty damn bad cards.
Silverhand Regent is good. Very usable in a Token Midrange style Paladin deck.
The value of Inspire goes up when you have more than one Inspire cards in play. If you have both Silverhand and Murloc Knight in play... suddenly your board is completely full after using one hero power. The snowball potential with Inspire minions is very high. This is evident from playing Arena where Inspire cards are quite good. Inspire is just underwhelming when the field is dominated by high tempo, high sticky aggressive minions.
There are definitely some bad Inspire cards for sure. Poison Blade and that 5/4 that puts a 2/2 in your hand are pretty damn bad cards.
FormallyFamicom
Member
Only C'thun gets cultist support cards.
No, only C'Thun.
It wasn't even really considered a core raid at the time. The armor sets weren't necessarily full upgrades over BWL stuff so it was called Tier 2.5. Raiding was just a huge chore back then.
To beat 4 Horseman in 40-man Naxx you had to have 8 FULLY GEARED TANKS. Back when most raids had like 5 warriors and you had like half the loot drops per raid member you have now.
Professor Lich
Member
I could see something that 'helps' out Y'Shaarj in the sense that Deathrattle cards 'help' out N'Zoth so to speak.
But we really haven't seen anything like that yet.
That Harbinger is kind of cool since it'll always draw and Old God or Deathwing, but I don't know how well that will work out.
But we really haven't seen anything like that yet.
That Harbinger is kind of cool since it'll always draw and Old God or Deathwing, but I don't know how well that will work out.
Professor Lich
Member
Yeah, that's kind of what I meant. Maybe we'll get more cards that work with other 10 Mana cards or something, but nothing explicit.
DyslexicAlucard
Member
Cost reduction for Y'shaarj, perhaps? Or a way to fish him out of the deck? Both? Maybe a way to have his card text activate multiple times.
I dunno, just spitballing here. As-is, he's (nearly) objectively worse than Varian, which didn't exactly set the world on fire either.
irfaanator
Banned
I actually see the harbinger being alright in dragon decks that would run something like deathwing. Have a dragon in your hand when you need it doesnt seem bad
Also would work on Sea Giant, Frost Giant and Varian Wrynn.
Professor Lich
Member
Forgot about Wrynn but you are correct.
The main reason I didn't mention the Giants is because I wasn't sure how their cost worked while they are in your deck. Obviously, if they're 10 Mana, they can get pulled too.
Would be interesting with Frost Giant if it's 10 in your deck but free in your hand.
I mean, cards with the text 'at the start of your turn' might be OK with ysharjjsjsjsj, but they have to have high health or be immune or something. Ideally your ysarshshsh would be the removal sponge for whatever it summons.
I assume it would go off of base mana cost, but yeah, that would be an interesting experiment to try out once the expansion launches.
Karsticles
Member
I stumbled across this fan-made set. These ideas in these cards are awesome, though not all are perfect; I would take this over what we've seen so far. Just the Warlock set, since I haven't looked at the rest:
http://imgur.com/a/YDltM#0
I would absolutely make a deck around Dreadlord.
Also, I think the last Old God has to be involved with spells. Everything else has been minion-oriented.
http://imgur.com/a/YDltM#0
I would absolutely make a deck around Dreadlord.
Also, I think the last Old God has to be involved with spells. Everything else has been minion-oriented.
This is why I don't miss the game at all. I could only see myself playing again if we had a great group of quality GAF members to raid with. The sadness when you spend months gearing someone up and they leave for a higher tier guild, over and over, is just too much.
toddhunter
Member
It works off base cost, so tgat could happen.
Very unlikely though and the "start of turn" thing kills it. This is a shame because blizzard really needs to help unplayable 10 mana cards become... Well playable.
The only things that I can see making Y'Sharrj more playable is ether something that has a really big drawback for a battle cry, or something that keeps going back to your deck like Malorne. And even then, I doubt it would be worth it, unless they also had huge synergy. Maybe if one card was this huge pile of HP with Taunt and the Wee Spell Stopper's ability, and the battle cry would normally shave off a ton of HP.
Like, you got some sort of 6 mana 1/20 minion with Taunt, has battle cry deal 12 damage to self, it and adjacent minions can't be targeted by spells, death rattle return to you deck. With that, Y'Sharrj could be good super good.
Probably. But the fact is that if they won't let the summoned minions use "at the end of your turn" ability, doubt that they would key battlecries go off.
Karsticles
Member
After going through that fan set, I am so much more disappointed with Whispers of the Old Ones than I was earlier this week. So many incredible ideas that won't be used...
That's because most of them are overpowered as hell or garbagio as hell.
Dreadlord looks exceedingly broken. On the other side, that Legendary is awful.
Karsticles
Member
I will take overpowered over boring. I can play a game with all kinds of overpowered stuff, but I won't play a game that bores me. As a Man of Marvel, you must understand what I mean.
At the very least, the ideas throughout the set are better than anything we've seen in WotOG.
You came to the wrong game then lmao!
In terms of card games HS is more SFV than Marvel. YGO is Marvel. Insanely overpowered broken stuff all over. HS by comparison is a very honest (but bland and less over the top) card game.
Karsticles
Member
That's just hurtful and mean.
Karsticles
Member
Now I'm all excited about nothing again...
