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Hearthstone |OT6| C'THUN for President! Why pick the lesser evil?
- Thread starter ZealousD
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Same, Face Shaman already rampant before.. its #2 deck, only "worse" by even more stupid deck and all other deck use same broken card
Tier 2 aggro deck llike aggro pally not as intimidating like when they had broken card at gvg
RumblingRosco
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BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Kinda like my Hunter better than that earlier posted. Just not enough early game for me.
Hunt, Rattle, and Zoth
1 x Hunters Mark
2 x Firey Bat
2 x Bear Trap (will be replacing at least one with Explosive Trap for the ill board clear)
2 x Huge Toad
2 x Scavenging Hyena
2 x Eaglehorn Bow (may replace one with Huhu)
2 x Animal Companion
2 x Kill Command
1 x Unleash The Hounds
2 x Carrion Grub
1 x Houndmaster
2 x Infested Wolf
2 x Tomb Spider
1 x Tundra Rhino
2 x Savannah Highmane
1 x Sylvanas
2 x Call of the Wild
1 x N'Zoth
Hunt, Rattle, and Zoth
1 x Hunters Mark
2 x Firey Bat
2 x Bear Trap (will be replacing at least one with Explosive Trap for the ill board clear)
2 x Huge Toad
2 x Scavenging Hyena
2 x Eaglehorn Bow (may replace one with Huhu)
2 x Animal Companion
2 x Kill Command
1 x Unleash The Hounds
2 x Carrion Grub
1 x Houndmaster
2 x Infested Wolf
2 x Tomb Spider
1 x Tundra Rhino
2 x Savannah Highmane
1 x Sylvanas
2 x Call of the Wild
1 x N'Zoth
I hate to say it but I don't think Priest will be viable in the long run. I think it works now because we know our decks so well, that we can overcome the deficiency; however, once the meta settles, I think we are at a disadvantage.
I know I could easily counter priest atm...
I think if they change shadow word: horror to 3 attack or less, I think would be just enough to make the difference.
I know I could easily counter priest atm...
I think if they change shadow word: horror to 3 attack or less, I think would be just enough to make the difference.
Acerac
Banned
I've been playing since the beta and depending who you talk to the game has consistently been in the the worst state it's ever seen. It's one of those constants in this game, like "whatever deck just beat me is cheap".
The only vanilla minions at 3 cost are the three Ragers that no one will ever put in their decks. (Carrion Grub is a Beast.) There are no vanilla 2-drops or 1-drops - not a single one. Taunters don't count, it influences the board state. Chillwind Yeti is literally just two numbers that you can run into two other numbers. Wisp is technically a card, but let's not kid ourselves here. A lot of games are decided in the mulligan and first 3 turns, and there are no vanilla minions worth mentioning in that bracket. Once you get to turn 4+ you really have to start playing the power game and vanilla minions aren't enough to keep the boil on.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
What isn't working? I haven't run into any bugs or anything. And there is always going to be some top deck that people complain about. What do they do? Shaman isn't even that oppressive if a deck like miracle rogue can survive high tier.
It's working fine, but I'm always finding myself annoyed by the game between ladder and arena decks with such high draft disparity. More modes would be nice as mentioned here, I don't begrudge Blizzard but they seem content with how things are since it's so profitable.
People that claim worst meta ever must really forget how bad the game was originally with Hunters dominating, bots playing zoo locks all the time, and people would play OTK's up the wazoo thanks to giants, unleash the hounds and charge all being super exploitable.
Also Leroy was 4 mana.
I still prefer the Standard meta to the Secret Paladin meta. Unfortunately there's always going to be one cheap, annoying and efficient deck that the netdeckers, tryhards and f2p players are going to gravitate to.
I do wish Blizzard was more proactive, since they have the numbers and can tell how good Shaman is as far as winrate as well as percentage of people on the ladder. I also wish they considered the whole ladder and not just high legend and the tournament meta when doing balance changes.
Sure, there's probably a lot more control at high legend than there is at rank 15, but most of their players are at or below rank 15 so maybe consider them too.
I do wish Blizzard was more proactive, since they have the numbers and can tell how good Shaman is as far as winrate as well as percentage of people on the ladder. I also wish they considered the whole ladder and not just high legend and the tournament meta when doing balance changes.
Sure, there's probably a lot more control at high legend than there is at rank 15, but most of their players are at or below rank 15 so maybe consider them too.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
It's such an odd thing to say that they aren't trying right after they drop an expansion, introduce a new format, and plan to ramp up expansions rather than let them slow down.
As for modes? This is brought up from time to time. I don't even see how hearthstone could be made into a 2v2 mode effectively, let alone a 4v4 mode. We're talking about a game that fits on a mobile phone screen here.
Not even close man. You could have a 4/5 undertaker by like turn 3 lol. Plus all the deathrattles. It's not even in the same ballpark.
That's me who's trying to get control hunter to work for so long. Still ain't happening without decent heal and card draw for this class. At least beast hunter is fun to play. Closest thing I can get without losing 9 out of 10 games.
Btw guys, u guys tried that troll Yogg-saron hunter deck yet? It's the #1 thread on /r/competitiveHS. It's so funny to see which random spells are gonna come out of that guy if u can manage to survive till round 10. Here's the decklist:
As another fan of control I started writing about how you shouldn't quit, but I started thinking about.
My favorite deck to pilot of all time? Heavy control aka "Fatigue" warrior.
My decks with the best win rates? Midrange Druid, Midrange Paladin, Midrange aka "Tempo" Warrior.
I did get to single digit ranks playing Control Warrior and Control Priest, but nowhere near as quickly as when I play midrange decks
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
That isn't even true. Sorry to hear that you're having trouble making control work, but I'm 4-1 with a c'thun paladin list I just whipped together today (also doing fairly well with my other c'thun list). I lost to some wonky murloc paladin list, but likely due to my own mistake and not because aggro shits on everything.
I've beaten 3 aggro decks, plus a miracle rogue deck now. This deck isn't even designed to perform well against aggro, I am trying to do well against control but queuing mostly aggro.
This is what I am running atm:
http://i.imgur.com/HnEiFq0.png
*Looks at deck and sees double Wild Pyro, double Equality, double Kodo, Eadric, double Forbidden Healing, Lightlord
Come on now man, you can make your point without outright lying.
Paladin has among the best anti aggro tools available and it's why its the best control deck to use by quite a margin (and why Nzoth Paladin is tier 1). Other classes struggle to play control against the field. Control Warrior is the next best option but it's better to use Midrange/Tempo/Patron Warrior instead because it's better against aggro.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
*Looks at deck and sees double Wild Pyro, double Equality, double Kodo, Eadric, double Forbidden Healing, Lightlord
Come on now man, you can make your point without outright lying.
Paladin has among the best anti aggro tools available and it's why its the best control deck to use by quite a margin (and why Nzoth Paladin is tier 1). Other classes struggle to play control against the field.
That is a very superficial evaluation of my deck.
So because it has some tools to deal with aggro you think it's built to counter aggro? In fact, if I were making anti-aggro, I would run more low drops and less reactive cards like double equality. I run double equality to deal with control, not aggro.
I have no 1 drop, no 2 drop, a single consecration, no tirion, 2 taunts total and one of those is a fairly bad statline being 3/6 for 5, the other requires activation where against aggro I am not always going to even have that activated...
I'm also running black knight and sylvanas, both being bad against aggro. Eadric is certainly not an anti-aggro card although occasionally it works well against aggro too. No tirion, no huge taunts aside from twins...
No one runs taunts these days even against aggressive line ups because taunts are dumpster trash right now. The best taunts right now are Senjin and that Warrior 4 drop. How many taunts aside from Tirion does Nzoth Paladin even run? I don't think it runs even a single one.
Tirion sees play in basically every Paladin deck, it's not really a specifically anti aggro card. Not sure why you didn't include it in your deck but oh well.
So why do you have 3 massive heals in the deck, 2 Kodos and 2 Wild Pyromancers? Equality happens to be a card that is good against both control and aggro.
I am not saying the deck is specifically designed against aggro... but the deck has all the tools it needs to handle aggro regardless just like Nzoth Paladin does (which also runs Sylvanas and Humility, cards that aren't good against aggro but control).
This would be like me posting a new Renolock list and saying "this deck isn't designed to counter control" and then have Jaraxxus and Ragnaros in it.
Tirion sees play in basically every Paladin deck, it's not really a specifically anti aggro card. Not sure why you didn't include it in your deck but oh well.
So why do you have 3 massive heals in the deck, 2 Kodos and 2 Wild Pyromancers? Equality happens to be a card that is good against both control and aggro.
I am not saying the deck is specifically designed against aggro... but the deck has all the tools it needs to handle aggro regardless just like Nzoth Paladin does (which also runs Sylvanas and Humility, cards that aren't good against aggro but control).
This would be like me posting a new Renolock list and saying "this deck isn't designed to counter control" and then have Jaraxxus and Ragnaros in it.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Like I said... it isn't designed to beat aggro. You said I was lying. I was being forthright, the deck can succumb to aggro very easily and I have to basically rely on them over-extending into equality and stabilize with heals later on to stand a solid chance.
edit:
Also saying because it has heals it's anti-aggro? I've run lists with way more healing than just 2 heals in paladin lol... that's like on the lower end of healing for paladin.
And I am merely testing out doomcaller in place of tirion because against control I actually might rather have 2 c'thuns than a tirion who people are super used to dealing with, especially now that silence has made it's way back into the meta somewhat.
ok this deck is really fun thanks for posting it
made a comeback with yogg from 8 health vs a 30 health paladin (even though yogg gave the opponent's light rag some attack/defense boost and then coldblood zzz)
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Damn, if I face another reno lock in a row... I'mma have to go back to the drawing board maybe.
I'm loving these new cards. Just played a game with this deck against a rogue who was using Yogg is his deck. So much random shit came out of our Yoggs and the game ended with a Hellfire from the rogue's Yogg with him at 3HP left lol. Also managed to win against a control warrior, by getting an early Thaurissan and baiting both his Brawls with discounted Call of the Wilds. Managed to play almost 20 spells before dropping the Yogg.
Lowlights of today were two jousts from that Elek. Lost a joust with my Yogg against a C'Thun and a joust with my Yogg against a freakkin' Sea Giant in a Zoolock deck. 😫🔫
call_kotaku
Member
Aren't Control Warrior and N'zoth Paladin both top tier decks right now? If anything there's more control than the previous meta. Face shaman is the only viable aggro deck right now as far as I can tell, it's just extremely strong.
Control Warrior is tier 2, Nzoth Paladin is tier 1. Tempo Warrior is considered a bit better than CW at the moment.
And by "Aggro" people are also including Zoolock. Both Zoolock and Aggro Shaman are tier 1 at the moment. Midrange Shaman isn't technically aggro but it's a very aggressive deck that can finish games quick and is also around tier 1 strength.
RumblingRosco
Member
This literal loser friended me and salted all over me earlier today.
turn 5 loss to my nzoth paladin against a shaman because i had no board clear and they had bloodlust. Soooooooo look forward to that fun.
Sometimes I try to add my Last Played opponent to tell them that I liked their deck or that the gold (card) looked awesome.
They almost never reply.
The one guy who did is still on my friend list. I spectated him the other day and he was running an all-gold Yogg / Summoning Stone mage list. It was awesome.
They almost never reply.
The one guy who did is still on my friend list. I spectated him the other day and he was running an all-gold Yogg / Summoning Stone mage list. It was awesome.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
This patron warrior had a sick curve. I thought I was going to lose so quickly. He got that 2/6 enrage card out early so I responded with tomb pillager. He dealt with that rather easily with a korkron elite. Then he dealt with my azure drake with that 1 damage AOE 3/3 and fiery war axe and started hurting my face. Next turn dealt with what I played and even dropped and copied a grim patron.
But then my maly rogue deck (dubbed xarilyos) did it's magic and I nearly cleared his board between sap and si7 agent, preps and eviscerate. I proceeded to win off a van cleef line of play since I still hadn't drawn my malygos, plus I still had ET in hand with time to set that up.
I'm still playing my own concoction of malyrogue although it's maybe 3-4 cards off from the tempostorm list as it is.
But then my maly rogue deck (dubbed xarilyos) did it's magic and I nearly cleared his board between sap and si7 agent, preps and eviscerate. I proceeded to win off a van cleef line of play since I still hadn't drawn my malygos, plus I still had ET in hand with time to set that up.
I'm still playing my own concoction of malyrogue although it's maybe 3-4 cards off from the tempostorm list as it is.
Karsticles
Member
You are consistently my favorite poster in this thread. <3
RecRoulette
Member
I hope we get an OG brawl tomorrow. I want a Yoggstravaganza.
Karsticles
Member
You will get Retro Brawl: Unstable Portal, and like it.
Professor Lich
Member
I know some people are upset with the state of the game, but do people really have to insult the developers? It's sad that people also praise it here too.
call_kotaku
Member
Wow people think Zoo is an aggro deck? Doesn't trading on the board every turn sort of disqualify it? There's a pretty massive difference between even the most aggressive zoo variations and something like face hunter or face shaman (or even face warrior/paladin).
Yup, calling other peep Grade A idiots is acceptable it seem
It's aggressive in the fact that it's aggressively filling up the board with cheap minions and is generally the aggressor in a match (putting up threats and asking the questions).
Aggro Paladin also puts down cheap minions and trades then starts to go face. Aggro doesn't mean all face all day, that's specifically a face deck. Face decks are like a sub class of aggro (also known as burn in other TCGs).
If Zoolock isn't aggro then what will you call it?
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Even face hunter and face warrior sometimes trade. Zoo just happens to trade a little bit more often because it can replenish it's hand with hero power.
It is safe to call zoolock an aggressive board control deck. I think it's also a bit more aggressive now than it has been in past iterations since it has less removal options and methods to get board back once it is lost.
RumblingRosco
Member
After the game, when you add them from their name, it sends a request to that player. If that player doesn't respond to the request, or just declines, they won't be added as a friend. Mostly, people won't accept your request because they assume you're just gonna trash talk them (like the guy in my above post did).