Hearthstone |OT6| C'THUN for President! Why pick the lesser evil?
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Did you not read my whole post?
It wasn't very long.
Don't feel bad, I read it all. Still this is better than dtc
Karsticles
Member
An ancient creature from the depths comes forth...and he has a love for totems.
I love the idea of them giving Shaman Earth, Storm, Frost, and Fire cards, and each element having different board effects. We know Frost = Freeze, but Fire could be damage over time, Earth could be silence, and Storm...kills...stuff...
It's a shame, because I love Paladins in WoW, and the idea of holy knights in general. It's just something about Blizzard and Paladins that ruins everything.
Not bad.Well there it is, the second WotOG Shaman card;
EDIT: no April's fool btw
https://twitter.com/ywoo_dev/status/715935414012358656
I love the idea of them giving Shaman Earth, Storm, Frost, and Fire cards, and each element having different board effects. We know Frost = Freeze, but Fire could be damage over time, Earth could be silence, and Storm...kills...stuff...
I just don't want Murlocs to be associated with Shamans. It's incredibly lame.
Yes!
My hatred for Paladins comes from WoW, not this game. I actually have a >50% win rate against Secret Paladins, so I'm fine with them. I played on a PvP server in WoW, and I hated how they would all just bubblehearth away like cowards. Plus, when they got real tanking abilities, it was basically tanking for babies - push one button and have aggro, but Warriors (my main) had to work really hard to multi-tank minions.You sure hate a lot of stuff about this game
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bring on the totem synergy. Only way for it to not be worst hero power is if more cards benefit from it.
It's a shame, because I love Paladins in WoW, and the idea of holy knights in general. It's just something about Blizzard and Paladins that ruins everything.
Did you not read my whole post?
It wasn't very long.
Apologies, I glanced over the second sentence :/ Either way, I think that difference is pretty huge, one that's immediately noticeable to me. I immediately knew DTC wouldn't be great because a similar frostwolf warlord never saw constructed play either.
Acerac
Banned
It's better, I can't disagree.
It still requires you rely on totems. That's my sticking point.
We'll see how much the meta slows down, but trying to curve out a totem deck is painful. You can't even go Totem Golem in to Tuskarr without a coin.
Right, that's what I mean. At worst, you can at least trade, and you get the benefit of Taunt.
Yeah and I see the sticking point, but with more cards that give or are totems themselves and the fact that you will use the hero power in matches, it's not so hard to meet the requirements so I have some hope for this
Dog Problems
Banned
I saw "Hearthstone: The MMO Unveiled" and got all excited for a split second until it hit me, lol. I fall for this stuff so easily.
You guys are so late to it, I've been in the alpha for years.
TFB is exactly what I was looking for. Wow.
Totem Synergy. Cost reduction. Friggin' taunt! I've been wanting a Taunt Shaman style for a while now and this can bridge the gap quite nicely.
First TFB will probably be (4) cost. The second will most undoubtedly be (0) cost. Heck, Totem Golem is good enough that I'd almost consider this 5-mana permanently. The fact that you don't need to play a Totem or have it in the battlefield is insanely quality of life.
This is basically taking the Dragon bonus and applying it to Totems. Which, being a class that has exclusive access to such a Tribe, Shaman desperately needed. No Overload is just icing.
This combined with Hallazeal has me very excited.
Totem Synergy. Cost reduction. Friggin' taunt! I've been wanting a Taunt Shaman style for a while now and this can bridge the gap quite nicely.
First TFB will probably be (4) cost. The second will most undoubtedly be (0) cost. Heck, Totem Golem is good enough that I'd almost consider this 5-mana permanently. The fact that you don't need to play a Totem or have it in the battlefield is insanely quality of life.
This is basically taking the Dragon bonus and applying it to Totems. Which, being a class that has exclusive access to such a Tribe, Shaman desperately needed. No Overload is just icing.
This combined with Hallazeal has me very excited.
Not really. Throw in two Flametongues, a Manatide or two and you're set with your heropower.
Acerac
Banned
Totem Golems are needed for the early strength anyways, and I'm not too excited about a 5/5 for 5 mana, even if it is free late game. Granted, I'm not implying you would run the life gain totem or any garbage like that, but passing over the early game power of TG feels like a mistake.
The problem with the deck was you'd just be run over due to lack of ability to have a strong opening. It had all the mid-game power in the world, but if the game is decided early that's all there is to it. Perhaps a 5/5 taunt turn 4 will be enough to stem the bleeding, we'll need to see. Depending on what happens to our friend BGH we may have to start considering Earth Elemental as well, especially now that lava shock is being run more commonly. A turn 4 5/5 taunt followed my a turn 5 7/8 taunt may be monstrous.
I made a Shaman totem deck that was able to hold its own on ladder. As you said, I realized early on that a strong early game was essential to the success of the deck, so I focused on sticky 1s and 2s (Zombie Chow, Creeper, etc.) then stuff like Tuskarr and Feral Spirts on 3 for even more board presence. I wasn't even using Totem Golem, because it just messed up my curve more than it helped.
Acerac
Banned
Interesting. I've mentioned it previously, Totem Golem screws up the curve ferociously. I can see the deck working, though the lower part of your curve is rotating out, and is unfortunately useless for accelerating TfB.
I suppose we should wait for the remainder of the cards to be revealed before making definitive statements. Even something as simple as a low costing vanilla totem drop may be enough to push the deck over the edge to broken, TfB may be what the deck needed to be competitive. I'll certainly be trying it out.
And the 2/1 charge murloc being a staple in aggro decks, to the point that you were almost guaranteed value out of Hungry Crab.
My 2c on the new Shaman card: Trogg, Totem Golem, hero power, TFB is a pretty reasonable curve. You'd be hard pressed to beat it with post-Standard minions. And TFB has no overload so you could play Doomhammer the following turn.
You're missing a very important concept that makes this card great.
You don't need any totem cards in your deck to make it beat the vanilla test. If you hero power once the card is about on par with 5/5 stats plus taunt for 5 mana. This is not exciting, but it can be enough to keep you in the game.
If you have Totem cards in your deck the card is straight up broken. After turn 6 in a totem deck this is very likely to cost less than 4 mana. A 5/5 Taunt for <4 mana can result in a HUGE tempo swing.
There are lots of shaman combos and early game plays that give this card some serious power.
The bad hand opener: You are forced to hero power on turn 2 and possibly turn 3. This will usually cause you to lose the game, but being able to lay down a 5/5 taunt on turn 4 gives you a good chance to stabalize.
The big Tempo swing: This card protects & has synergy with weak totems like Flame Tongue and Mana Tide. A 5/5 taunt for <5 mana might allow your Mana tide totem to actually live for 2 rounds.
Any turn the TfB costs <2 is about the same as a Druid using both of their Innervates. On turns where that happens they can run away with the game if you don't have a board clear. This is very similar where it is so much tempo your opponent just won't be able to keep up unless they have a clear.
In Arena the card is very good.
In constructed it has the potential to be the foundation of a good deck.
Having the taunt really makes this card appealing.
Lmao Knight of the Wild so bad..
Knight of the Wild requires that you have this card in HAND to get the cost benefits. It also costs one more mana and doesn't have taunt. In addition, you can't make it cost less by just using hero power. Ayy lmao!
Lmao Knight of the Wild so bad..
Knight of the Wild requires that you have this card in HAND to get the cost benefits. It also costs one more mana and doesn't have taunt. In addition, you can't make it cost less by just using hero power. Ayy lmao!
Acerac
Banned
Good points all around. Thanks for the tips guys, you've certainly helped me see some strengths that I had ignored.
On the subject of Hungry Crab, I will never forget the arena match where I got one out of a webspinner after seeing 2 murlocs being dropped already. I refused to play the card no matter the situation out of pure stubbornness, and of course he drops a murloc warleader a few turns later. Felt so good sniping that.
On the subject of Hungry Crab, I will never forget the arena match where I got one out of a webspinner after seeing 2 murlocs being dropped already. I refused to play the card no matter the situation out of pure stubbornness, and of course he drops a murloc warleader a few turns later. Felt so good sniping that.
Tomb Pillager bro
That priest inspire card is secretly amazing. Can't wait to run it with the new priest legendary.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
No.
If anyone believes it, I just don't know what to say.
So anyone hoping for 1 - 3 drop minions to show up. I know my priest really wants some
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
The real card:
That's a good card. Yeti with an upside is always a good card.
2 good shaman cards? April Fools?
BananasWithGuns
Member
Holy shit that card is absolutely nuts. Like, how is that not overpowered? I guess Shaman is coming back with a vengeance.
Professor Lich
Member
What if the whole expansion and WOG is just one big April Fool's joke?
LyleLanley
Banned
Neat, I'm playing nothing but freeze mages!
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Good lord, good day to be a Shaman huh.
Because your totems will evolve into Doomsayers every single time.
I'd think it'd transform the minion twice.
Super Nothing
Member
If Thing from Below survives a turn, you can kill something with it then drop Master of Evolution on it and get a 7 drop.
Right. So would the first transform be a minion 1 mana more and the second 1 mana more than that?
Professor Lich
Member
I feel like it should since that makes sense since other targeted Battlecries always trigger twice on the same target.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
You should, Savjz said it would anyway and it makes sense. You can instantly turn your Brann into a 5 drop and essentially make a 9 mana play for 7 mana(except you might get a shit 5 drop like healbot but even then there's barely and 5 drops with worse stats than 3 drops).
He might be right.
First transformation makes a 2 drop into 3.
2nd transformation makes the 3 into 4 drop.