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Hearthstone |OT6| C'THUN for President! Why pick the lesser evil?
- Thread starter ZealousD
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Is the Desert Camel/Injured Kvaldir combo some pros are running in their hunter decks worthwhile for low end midrange hunter decks?
Thijs is running it, but he is only running one Injured Kvaldir and two fiery bats. Wouldn't you want either 1 or zero fiery bats and two injured kvaldirs? I would think a fiery bat is pretty far from ideal to get from the Desert camels.
Thijs is running it, but he is only running one Injured Kvaldir and two fiery bats. Wouldn't you want either 1 or zero fiery bats and two injured kvaldirs? I would think a fiery bat is pretty far from ideal to get from the Desert camels.
Karsticles
Member
Why couldn't it wait until the next expansion, then?
Was Blade Flurry really too good? Would it have seen play with Oil gone?
veryslowhand
Banned
aka wonder, do it
It absolutely would have seen play with Oil gone. It was still a very common card in old Miracle where Deadly Poison was the main weapon buff. You see a card like Dark Iron Skulker taking its place sometimes.
As I said they only want to do balance changes one time each year (basic/standard cards) - before the first expansion/adventure hits. They obviously might change that if necessary, but they've said that they only plan to look at them at the start of the calendar year. They already started work on the next content update before Old Gods was released, so they presumably had some idea of what they wanted to do and maybe Blade Flurry was hampering their design plans.
Karsticles
Member
That's true, and since a good portion of Shaman's minions are 3 health, it would get used there, too.
Hmm, really? I thought I read Brode say that they want to do more frequent balance changes to address problem cards like Mysterious Challenger.
Even so, it's unlikely that they could have the foresight to perfectly adjust Old Gods without seeing how the second annual set plays out. I mean, they couldn't even tell that a 7/7 for 4 mana was a bad idea...lol?
That kind of thinking just feels like pure hubris.
seems fine, as long as they don't print any old gods stuff in the next set after this adventure.
you know except for the part where they shockingly don't only go face. I mean sure if you spend 6 turns holding your dick because you made a deck that's greedy AF they have no choice but to go face, but outside of aggro shaman that's not entirely their gameplan.
and even then, aggro shaman doesn't always go face. early game yo gotta control the board and protect that tunnel trogg.
the aggro decks people complain about nowadays aren't just face face face. they're really just zoo decks.
the last face deck to dominate was face hunter. that was the only deck i've seen that is just strictly "hit the face".
Face shaman doesnt allways go face either, that doesnt mean anything. Call it whatever makes you feel better, they still require next to no brain to pilot.
Flamewreathed Faceless is essentially Blizzard testing the waters for how they should be dealing with Overload. People constantly shat on the mechanic and so this was the result. I still blame every single person who were saying things like "shaman is shitty because of overload" and "remember when people said totem golem was a good card? lol" for giving us that card.
Even so. Shaman could have been a balanced class with Flamewreathed Faceless in the game. The problem was that Shaman got so many other nutso cards at the same time.
Shaman is a poorly designed class and that won't change until Blizzard does an overhaul. Can't seem to make Shaman anything other than garbage tier or broken tier.
Can't wait until Shaman is back to dumpster tier after losing Tunnel Trogg, Totem Golem, Thunderbluff and Tuskar Totemic.
Can't wait until Shaman is back to dumpster tier after losing Tunnel Trogg, Totem Golem, Thunderbluff and Tuskar Totemic.
Man I used to like Shaman. I just think losing either Tunnel Trogg or Faceless would do an awful lot to bring them down a peg. Overload is fine. Blizzard just needs to balance it correctly. Totem Golem was perfect. Flamewreathed Faceless and Tunnel Trogg were overcorrections.
whatever you say
tunnel trogg is a problem but that 2/4 gain +1/+1 for every overload isn't.
flameless is a problem but drainei totemcarver(which can also be a 4 mana 7/7) is not.
The thing is, imo, early game cards are overstatted. kripp made a video about this before. 1-3 drops bring so much more value and tempo than your stupid legendaries.
if you want the game to slow they have to wait for these to rotate out and release shit 1-3 drops, and no one should want that
flameless is a problem but drainei totemcarver(which can also be a 4 mana 7/7) is not.
The thing is, imo, early game cards are overstatted. kripp made a video about this before. 1-3 drops bring so much more value and tempo than your stupid legendaries.
if you want the game to slow they have to wait for these to rotate out and release shit 1-3 drops, and no one should want that
Shaman players aren't ever going to admit that their class is broken and the top choice for both bots and players who lack decision making skills.
If they did, they'd have to admit that their ladder results should have an asterisk next to it.
Shaman Defense Force will say any ridiculous thing to try and make themselves feel better for playing the easiest deck in the game.
I'd have a lot more respect for Shaman players if they would just straight up admit they are exploiting Blizzard's failure to balance their game while also exploiting Blizzard's failure of a ranked play system.
If they did, they'd have to admit that their ladder results should have an asterisk next to it.
Shaman Defense Force will say any ridiculous thing to try and make themselves feel better for playing the easiest deck in the game.
I'd have a lot more respect for Shaman players if they would just straight up admit they are exploiting Blizzard's failure to balance their game while also exploiting Blizzard's failure of a ranked play system.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Where do you even see people arguing shaman is a tough deck to pilot or balanced?
What if that player use Elemental Destruction Shaman tho..
I still think Shaman while very strong is not unbeatable now you know which card to target
Karsticles
Member
I have to wonder who this "they" is. I would love to meet one of "them".
Yep, that section of the IGN interview about ladder (as a system; not referring to the current meta) being fine worries me. Didn't Blizz learn about grindy timesink mistakes from the original WoW PvP system?
Also, someone needs to teach Peter Whalen that superlatives other than 'awesome' exist.
Also, someone needs to teach Peter Whalen that superlatives other than 'awesome' exist.
Oh hello Mr Cthun/ Reno Legendary warlock, please do BM my newbie windfury shaman deck by unnecessarily clearing all my small remaining minions with your fat troops and not finishing me off by hitting me in the face, like say with that Chromaggus you keep sitting on the board. Go ahead, you sure must feel big beating my deck at Rank 19.
Sincerely yours, player with 7 shaman wins in ladder total.
It's quite the culture shock coming from a fairly small computer card game, into... this
Sincerely yours, player with 7 shaman wins in ladder total.
It's quite the culture shock coming from a fairly small computer card game, into... this
You are playing Shaman so expect a lot of that on Ladder.
irfaanator
Banned
warlock will always be despised b/c of zoo
and the amount of energy whiners spend complaining could be better used learning how not to be shit at the game.
play em, don't let the salt get to you.
Karsticles
Member
What small game?
poppedcollar69
Member
Neat! I don't think I have one unfortunately though
Ugh, my priest had like 50 damage worth of stuff on board but lost anyway because freeze mage managed to tap into both of his ice blocks once the Aoe freezes ran out... I suppose it was a change of pace from all those Cthun decks.
C'mon now, are you honestly gonna say Duelyst is big right now? I'll consider that thought maybe after the Steam release.
I admit to inadvertently BMing sometimes. Sometimes I am so focused on other stuff, and because I like minion trading the most about this game, I miss lethal because I'm not paying attention to opponent face and health and end up trading when I don't need to. It happens way more often then it should...
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Log in, get the spectate quest, see Levi currently playing, start watching exactly when he had lethal.
Fastest pack earned ever, took like 30 seconds total opening hearthstone included. 2 rares and an epic just not good / to me useable ones but dust
Fastest pack earned ever, took like 30 seconds total opening hearthstone included. 2 rares and an epic just not good / to me useable ones but dust
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
I've been getting better about stopping and asking what my other options are right before I make my play, such as ignoring minions and going face, and I've been finding lethal a lot more thanks to that, but I always feel bad like I'm BMing when it takes all the way to the rope for me to realize it.
Nice, that mage played very poorly so my bad priest deck had an easy time.
Karsticles
Member
Duelyst isn't Hearthstone-big, but I think it's the second biggest digital card game out there based on:
1) Queue times.
2) Closeness of ranked-ness in matches.
3) Reddit subscriber size.
For all of those, Duelyst is #2 right now among the various digital card games I am aware of, except for MtG:O, which I don't have any experience with.
I don't disagree with you, though.
I heard someone say somewhere (I forget where) that you should take your hand off the mouse for the first 20-30 seconds of a turn and just think about it even if the turn seems obvious. I should try to get into the habit of doing that.
I'm always counting damage during my opponents turn
"okay I have 15 next turn"
opponent trades
"okay I have 11 next turn"