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Mobius and pet octopus

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Rather than continuing a cadence of expansion-adventure-expansion-adventure, Blizzard lays out a timeline with two expansions per year — one at the start, one near the end — and a single adventure between them.
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http://www.polygon.com/features/201...ity-inside-blizzard-s-radical-new-approach-to

So we should definitely be getting an expansion before the end of the year... and then another expansion (presumably ~3-5 months into 2017, the same way we got OG in 2016 and that is when the rotation occurs).
 
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Drkirby

Corporate Apologist
I'd expect them to formally announce the next expansion at Blizzcon, and release it early December. They will likely start teasing in a week or two.
 
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QFNS

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Drkirby said:
I'd expect them to formally announce the next expansion at Blizzcon, and release it early December. They will likely start teasing in a week or two.
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They will likely reveal a large portion of it at Blizzcon same as they did last year. I just hope they will have more playable stuff in Hearthstone than two premade decks like the last couple times. Give us 3-4 decks at least!
 
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slightconfuse

Banned
Standard rotations might be too long imo.

Look at what shaman is losing when TGT goes away.

Other problem is blizzard refuses to buff anything .

They need to get more creative like they did with black rock finley, Elise , brann and Reno were great and less RNG
 
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BananasWithGuns

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manhack

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Watching Trump right now and it is hilarious in many ways.

A few observations:

1. It is both fun and agonizing watching him struggle with a new deck. Roping turns and making misplay after misplay.

2. Rank 17 meta looks pretty varied, outside the random netdeck shaman.

3. I noticed occasionally people chastising him for playing a "bad deck". I guess these people would prefer he climb with mid-range shaman, control warrior or Freeze mage?
 
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Dahbomb

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manhack said:
Watching Trump right now and it is hilarious in many ways.

A few observations:

1. It is both fun and agonizing watching him struggle with a new deck. Roping turns and making misplay after misplay.

2. Rank 17 meta looks pretty varied, outside the random netdeck shaman.

3. I noticed occasionally people chastising him for playing a "bad deck". I guess these people would prefer he climb with mid-range shaman, control warrior or Freeze mage?
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Stream monsters gonna stream monster.

Streamers play fun decks, don't do as well and then get criticized for playing a bad deck. Also get made fun of for losing in general.

Streamers play meta deck, get resident sleeper responses. Get double criticism for losing with meta deck.


And yeah November reveal for next expansion for sure. It fits their time line thus far, probably release in December. I have already started saving up for it.
 
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fertygo

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I like watching concede deck streamer like Savjz, because its his speciality afterall

I strongly dislike player that I respect their ability like Thijs and Dog slowly turning became concede deck streamer too, I don't know concede deck streamer is fun but there is time I just want the best player play the best deck, if its shaman so be its, you learn a lot from them and its not even only about that meta deck.

I like competitive player stream that maybe not attractive to audience like muzzy, rosty or fr0zen, they tryhard all the time..

there few competitive player like zalae and VLPS that can find balance tho, they can try new deck but sometime they tryhard too.
 
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Mobius and pet octopus

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fertygo said:
I like watching concede deck streamer like Savjz, because its his speciality afterall

I strongly dislike player that I respect their ability like Thijs and Dog slowly turning became concede deck streamer too, I don't know concede deck streamer is fun but there is time I just want the best player play the best deck, if its shaman so be its, you learn a lot from them and its not even only about that meta deck.

I like competitive player stream that maybe not attractive to audience like muzzy, rosty or fr0zen, they tryhard all the time..

there few competitive player like zalae and VLPS that can find balance tho, they can try new deck but sometime they tryhard too.
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All 3 of those streamers play all sorts of decks though. None of them are specialists.
 
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Papercuts

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I think what sticks out to me the most, and what I've wondered myself, is how they intend to handle synergies with the rotation.

Blizzard stated that their approach to synergies was to release 0-2 cards per set in any given tribe or archetype to try and ensure it wasn't overpowered. Their argument was that over the years, this meant that they'd eventually print enough cards to ensure that the archetype worked, but never risk making it a completely over the top deck by printing, say, four way too powerful cards at once.

The only exceptions they made to this were if they decided they wanted a major theme for an expansion, at which point that theme would get a lot of cards, but nothing else would (see Dragons in Black Rock or C'Thun in Old Gods).

But with set rotations, this means that these slow-but-iterative tribes and synergies can never actually get going, because as soon as they start working, their critical cards are torn away from them. Since Blizzard doesn't rotate anything into the core set, we just have a bunch of mediocre to useless synergies, or ones that are incredibly transient. We look set to lose our most successful synergy (Dragons) in the near future as well, and a big part of why that worked was that there were strong cards in the base set that didn't keep falling out.
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Yeah, I think this is a big problem actually. What's especially weird is the awkward purgatory Gorillabot seems to exist in, where it's one of like 4 mechs in Standard yet is only realistically usable in Wild. Mechs didn't exist before GvG so basically with the rotations the tribe will never be used again, or any time they do utilize it the cards won't synergize with Standard at all.
 
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Karsticles

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That article made a great point about the difference in card #s annually printed between Hearthstone and MtG. I'd be really pissed off if Duelyst went to the Standard method instead of just seasonal balance.

Yaboosh said:
It is just because he has a massive tattoo of Sylvanas on his chest.
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Now I need a pic.
 
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Xis

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Karsticles said:
That article made a great point about the difference in card #s annually printed between Hearthstone and MtG.
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There are way more Magic cards released per year, but that's a little misleading. Most of the common and uncommon cards are designed with limited play (aka Arena) in mind; the vast bulk of them will not be played in serious constructed. On the other hand, I think it shows that Magic takes limited play much more seriously than Hearthstone does.

My biggest issue with the Hearthstone rotation: the core + basic sets are too large in comparison to the size of the expansions.
 
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ZeroX03

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Xis said:
There are way more Magic cards released per year, but that's a little misleading. Most of the common and uncommon cards are designed with limited play (aka Arena) in mind; the vast bulk of them will not be played in serious constructed. On the other hand, I think it shows that Magic takes limited play much more seriously than Hearthstone does.

My biggest issue with the Hearthstone rotation: the core + basic sets are too large in comparison to the size of the expansions.
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Drafting in Magic >>>>> all
 
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Yaboosh

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Just made a midrange totem shaman deck for a quest, got my 36th win with the class, hah. The first game went well. Turns out that class is good.

I have one win with rogue also.

I have not been very good at playing the different classes equally. Mage and hunter are at mid 200s, warrior at around 150.
 
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Karsticles

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Xis said:
There are way more Magic cards released per year, but that's a little misleading. Most of the common and uncommon cards are designed with limited play (aka Arena) in mind; the vast bulk of them will not be played in serious constructed. On the other hand, I think it shows that Magic takes limited play much more seriously than Hearthstone does.

My biggest issue with the Hearthstone rotation: the core + basic sets are too large in comparison to the size of the expansions.
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Well, I would also say that most of Hearthstone's cards aren't intended for serious constructed play. Even when Blizzard only has to come up with ONE class legendary, they fail at it.

Yaboosh said:
Just made a midrange totem shaman deck for a quest, got my 36th win with the class, hah. The first game went well. Turns out that class is good.

I have one win with rogue also.

I have not been very good at playing the different classes equally. Mage and hunter are at mid 200s, warrior at around 150.
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You're more spread out than I am. I have less than 10 Warrior wins but 496 Hunter wins. I just can't bring myself to play any more Hunter right now, though I might try Secret Hunter.
 
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slightconfuse

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Karsticles said:
Well, I would also say that most of Hearthstone's cards aren't intended for serious constructed play. Even when Blizzard only has to come up with ONE class legendary, they fail at it.


You're more spread out than I am. I have less than 10 Warrior wins but 496 Hunter wins. I just can't bring myself to play any more Hunter right now, though I might try Secret Hunter.
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I agree with this fandral was the first good class legendary in a while
 
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Peléo

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Not sure if this was asked before, but how would you guys feel if the rotation was based on number of expansions instead of time release?

Basically, every time there would be 4 expansions in rotation (plus the classic set) instead of every rotation in a 2 years period. As soon as an expansion comes in, the oldest one rotates out.

For example, right now in the current meta we have:

Current Stantard: BRM, TGT, LOE, WOTOG, ONIK.

Proposed: TGT, LOE, WOTOG, ONIK.

On the next expanion we could have:

Current Stanrdard: BRM, TGT, LOE, WOTOG, ONIK, Next expansion.

Proposed: LOE, WOTOG, ONIK, Next expansion.
 
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Familienoberhauptvogel

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ZeroX03 said:
Seems almost every deck is enjoying Thalnos at the moment. Spell damage is in, draw is always good. Glad I crafted it recently.
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Very often I'd play Pyromancer Consecration for a better clear. Thalnos is basically a third way to get this and a Loot Hoarder in the cases he's not. Frequently getting damage spells of Ivory Knight as well.
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I agree with this fandral was the first good class legendary in a while
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WotOG was good with that in general with Lightlord, Grommash and Xaril for some time, Hallazeal will hopefully get a place to shine soon as well.

4 out of 9 is a pretty good rate.
 
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Karsticles

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I am probably permanent Wild status, so I don't care how they screw up Standard.

Thanks for the Face Hunter decklist! :)

4/9 playable legendaries is horrific when we only get two per class per year. Especially when some of them aren't just "not good enough" but are the lowest form of trash like Anomalous. There is no world in which Anomalous even remotely makes sense as a card. If you put taunt on it, then at least it would be a coherent card with a clear goal.

In comparison, Duelyst's recent expansion added 3 class legendaries for each faction. Out of those 18 legendaries, only 5 see no competitive play at all, and even then I think 4 of those 5 have a lot of potential once some balance changes are made (they're just too slow right now). The last legendary was clearly created as a joke tier legendary, which I am not happy about, but there is a guy out there making an entire deck on it and hit S-Rank lol.
 
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Yaboosh

Super Sleuth
Tracking and quick shot don't seem like enough for that face hunter to not run out of steam by turn 4.

If you get a big secret/cloaked huntress turn are you even happy about that? Your top deck potential is so low.
 
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patchday

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Quick note- today is last day you can buy core set for Faeria. After 10/12, Faeria will be freemium like every other CCG. I went ahead and grabbed the core set since I usually like to toss CCGs $50 (Solforge, Hearthstone, and Faeria). It's a weird feeling having every card unlocked. You'd think it would be boring but I have fun accumulating gold, etc

Ok, sorry for the derail.

Back to Hearthstone- looking forward to new expansion. Want to start setting aside dust and gold at some point.
 
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Familienoberhauptvogel

Banned
1 game off rank 5 again got completely blown the fuck out by a druid playing Sylv, Mulching it, stealing my rag and putting my handsize to 10 burning equality so I got no clear. Would have won if he hadn't gotten Illidan of moonglade portal.
Karsticles said:
4/9 playable legendaries is horrific when we only get two per class per year. Especially when some of them aren't just "not good enough" but are the lowest form of trash like Anomalous. There is no world in which Anomalous even remotely makes sense as a card. If you put taunt on it, then at least it would be a coherent card with a clear goal.

In comparison, Duelyst's recent expansion added 3 class legendaries for each faction. Out of those 18 legendaries, only 5 see no competitive play at all, and even then I think 4 of those 5 have a lot of potential once some balance changes are made (they're just too slow right now). The last legendary was clearly created as a joke tier legendary, which I am not happy about, but there is a guy out there making an entire deck on it and hit S-Rank lol.
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I think it's a pretty good rate if you look at HS. What wild class legendaries are played that aren't classic?
 
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