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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
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Mobius and pet octopus
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I run jaraxus cause it's a fun card. Good in some match ups as well. You can even win in the mirror against combo with jaraxxus if you play it right.
Seems bad to run sac pact but I see the reasoning. The problem there is most people are running combo and so renolock may not even ever use jaraxxus in the mirror. And the other thing is it's a fairly weak card in every other match up.
Seems bad to run sac pact but I see the reasoning. The problem there is most people are running combo and so renolock may not even ever use jaraxxus in the mirror. And the other thing is it's a fairly weak card in every other match up.
Emerson
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All you heathens playing Control Lock without Jaraxxus the GOD...
Friend of mine has been spamming Warlock decks with Jaraxxus the last few days and has gotten killed by Sacrificial Pact like 3 times. Makes me laugh every time. Worst luck.
BananasWithGuns
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Pretty sad that I'm already bored of this expansion.
Essentially it's just face decks and Druid with a little bit of Reno mixed in. Meh.
Essentially it's just face decks and Druid with a little bit of Reno mixed in. Meh.
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thepotatoman
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Why not have jaraxxus and the leeroy/faceless combo?
It's renolock. You always have at least 7 cards in hand, and have 30 unique cards. I think you can handle having two different finishers so that you don't have to worry about one of your leeroy combo cards being on the absolute bottom of your deck.
Unless you really need that extra percentage point against pirate warrior that badly.
Yeah, I definitely see the value of both; I'm just trying to make the most of what little dust I have.
I'm also missing Rag.
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Jaraxxus is really agood card in control
The hero power is really strong
The hero power is really strong
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thepotatoman
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Fair enough.
Deck Tracker says i'm 14-20 against priest and 8-10 against warrior in general this season, so I'm still pretty content hating on priest over warrior when I get the chance.
Also helps that I generally hate priest more than aggro decks anyway for my style of play.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Priest? Ouch. I'm 70% overall, with paladin being my worst match up at 6-5. And that's with me screwing around with paladin and screwing up (lost to stolen anyfin I should have played around). 80% in the mirror.
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thepotatoman
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I'm 92-103 overall, so not the best season for me, but it's because I'm experimenting like crazy.
When I post here about Noggenfogger working in druid and Evolved Kobal/Greater Arcane Missile combo working in reno mage, those are my successes. You don't want to get into my failures.
When I post here about Noggenfogger working in druid and Evolved Kobal/Greater Arcane Missile combo working in reno mage, those are my successes. You don't want to get into my failures.
when a minion gains divine shield or something like that, should work with protector and selfless hero. and the new one i forget the name of
Mobius and pet octopus
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I've had some success with reno priest... still looking for the right deck. Will probably craft shadow form.
Is Pirate warrior the most autopilot deck in the history of HS? I'm watching people attack face the whole time as if they're using an auto-clicker unloading their entire hand on turns 1-2 and equipping weapon after weapon.
This is seriously ruining the expansion for me. You either draw a combination of weapon removal, heals, and taunts under 4 mana or lose. I'm even questioning whether I should keep Reno in my opening hand because it's so hard to even make it to turn 6. I can't even get the Doomsayer effect to go off now.
Just 2 more ranks and I"m done with this BS. Excluding Pirate warrior, this expansion is fun. In these Reno matches I actually have to make some real plays.
Which Reno Mage deck are you using?
This is seriously ruining the expansion for me. You either draw a combination of weapon removal, heals, and taunts under 4 mana or lose. I'm even questioning whether I should keep Reno in my opening hand because it's so hard to even make it to turn 6. I can't even get the Doomsayer effect to go off now.
Just 2 more ranks and I"m done with this BS. Excluding Pirate warrior, this expansion is fun. In these Reno matches I actually have to make some real plays.
Which Reno Mage deck are you using?
The Mango Sentinel
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I definitely played Hunter decks that I only went face with. Similarly stupid.
I've actually had great success against pirate warrior though using Reno Mage, C'thun Warrior, and Dragon Warrior if I draw well.
Reno Mage especially though.
Lone_Prodigy
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Played a Priest deck specifically designed to beat Pirate Warrior. All heals, removals for cheap minions, Abominations, Hogger, etc.
He spent the whole game spamming "Greetings".
He spent the whole game spamming "Greetings".
Which of the Reno decks requires the least amount of legendaries to function? I've got reno and kazakus, plus Cairne, leeroy, the karazhan ones, shifter zerus and harrison jones. Is that enough to throw together something? Also have 2100 dust to craft with though I'm wary of crafting heavily for a deck that may not be viable once reno rotates out
Easily Renolock
you can try the very not greedy list that asmodai run that might've the best for the meta anyway, but people like me still run useless control card like sylvanas n nether because I like cool card
The Mango Sentinel
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The Mage recipe in the game isn't bad with a few changes and you can do it with what you listed provided you have the rest of the cards. Inkmaster isn't necessary, but it is a fun card that has bailed me out a few times.
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thepotatoman
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Is the leeroy/faceless combo worth doing without Emporer Tharalson to let you Power Overwhelming it?
But I guess a 12 damage combo could be better than nothing, especially without ragnaros or jaraxxus, and you can still do the 20 damage combo if you go second and can save the coin.
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thepotatoman
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Classic Face Hunter had a little more considerations for minion trading, while Pirate Warrior has a little more considerations for resource management for the sake of comboing cards correctly. Both require a little thought and skill, but not much.
Pirate Warrior might be the fastest deck ever though, with most games being 100% done one way or the other by turn 6. That's why I find going against face hunter to be a little more fun, since there's thought towards killing them quickly enough that their hero power and top decks don't finish you off, while still being defensive enough to not die. Here it's just a matter of if you draw your defensive cards in the very short amount of time they give you, and once you turn the corner on board control, you're basically good, unless you're without taunt or in range for mortal strike.
First snapshot from Tempostorm after the release of Gadgetzan: https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone/meta-snapshot/standard/2016-12-10
Tier 1
Aggro Shaman
Renolock
Pirate Warrior
10 (!) decks in Tier 2 and Hunter not making an appearance before Tier 4. Happy days.
Tier 1
Aggro Shaman
Renolock
Pirate Warrior
10 (!) decks in Tier 2 and Hunter not making an appearance before Tier 4. Happy days.
I'll give both a try and see which feels better. I have no problems grabbing just the first wing of blackrock for Thaurissan since I need it for quickshot anyways and am almost there gold-wise. Thanks for the help.
That's way more diversity then in a long time.
SonicXtreme
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rat pack and kodo WOULD be great but the mechanic is trash as it is now. zipgunner is a good card, but not a beast, and hitting it on one of those two you want to buff is pure luck. beastrager has the same problem. its basically a crappy version of grandmother. you're gonna end up buffing savanah highmane that's gonna get shadow word/entomb/polymorph/hexed just the same as if it wasn't buffed lol
so either you can go all in on a mechanic that isn't going to hit the minions you need buffed. or you can go for beast synergy and have extremely hit or miss games because of those cards not being beasts
that legendary isn't even good, who the hell is that card made for? its a garbage control card, it gets you a tiny bit of face so it isn't even close to considerable for a rush deck, for the cost its hot garbage compared to all the other classes, so scared to give hunter a playable legendary...its a freaking arena card made for the poor sap who didn't know better and picked hunter for arena (although i had an insane arena game yesterday where a hunter dropped sylvanas and then HUHU the next turn, i could not believe my eyes on that draft)
compare that to dragons. no reason to ever play that trash as it is over a dragon priest/warrior. def going to just fall to wild for my dragon priest fix when the next expansion hits bc that shit is so consistent now, it rules
so either you can go all in on a mechanic that isn't going to hit the minions you need buffed. or you can go for beast synergy and have extremely hit or miss games because of those cards not being beasts
that legendary isn't even good, who the hell is that card made for? its a garbage control card, it gets you a tiny bit of face so it isn't even close to considerable for a rush deck, for the cost its hot garbage compared to all the other classes, so scared to give hunter a playable legendary...its a freaking arena card made for the poor sap who didn't know better and picked hunter for arena (although i had an insane arena game yesterday where a hunter dropped sylvanas and then HUHU the next turn, i could not believe my eyes on that draft)
compare that to dragons. no reason to ever play that trash as it is over a dragon priest/warrior. def going to just fall to wild for my dragon priest fix when the next expansion hits bc that shit is so consistent now, it rules
Ah, so would the two be completely separate? Like, I just add currency to my iTunes account, and not my Battle.net account?
So I was pretty close in my prediction of the top of the tier list:
My top 6 is their top 5 in order if you move Midrange Shaman down.
I still think midrange Shaman is still good enough to be tier one, I'm looking forward to the VSS report to see what kinds of win rates other people are achieving with similar lists.
I said it before, they are great cards on paper, but just so janky in the current meta. Nobody respects tons of 1/1 rats and the Kodo can't carry hunter alone.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I don't think rat pack and kodo are good enough without being buffed and it's not even borderline. Rat pack looks good because people think that 4 drop is great, it's mediocre. And kodo is a 2/4 for 4 for 4... are you kidding me? That's terrible stats. The battlecry has to... oh it's as good as si7 agent? For 1 mana more you get a beast tag and a stat shuffle? It's not keeper of the grove with a silence option, nor are you really running control as hunter although the card may be a good control option for hunter but it still must be buffed...
Both those minions must be buffed to be actually worth playing.
Both those minions must be buffed to be actually worth playing.
You can pinpoint the exact moment this Reno Priest thought to themselves: I've made a huge mistake. (very short game)
https://hsreplay.net/uploads/upload/CoutYE7fhpmnooeeTxuHac/?utm_source=hdt&utm_medium=client
https://hsreplay.net/uploads/upload/CoutYE7fhpmnooeeTxuHac/?utm_source=hdt&utm_medium=client
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Just played a druid with all taunts feels like something Kripp would play
It's not a Kripp deck if it doesn't run C'Thun.
I'm beginning to think that midrange Jade Shaman is actually favored against Renolock. My opponent at rank 9 was rocking a golden hero and the legend cardback, was able to play Reno on curve and was still dead on turn 10.
Watching the game, he made a huge error trying to hold his Nether an extra turn for more value, because he left my Mana Tide up additional turns which is why I ended up winning when I did. I am presuming the cards he never played were combo pieces.
That's 4-0 against Renolock now since starting 2-3.
Here's the game:
https://hsreplay.net/replay/UsjGWcGTwxuAdskBq3K3gg
I bet he had the play 20 taunt minions quest.
Watching the game, he made a huge error trying to hold his Nether an extra turn for more value, because he left my Mana Tide up additional turns which is why I ended up winning when I did. I am presuming the cards he never played were combo pieces.
That's 4-0 against Renolock now since starting 2-3.
Here's the game:
https://hsreplay.net/replay/UsjGWcGTwxuAdskBq3K3gg
I bet he had the play 20 taunt minions quest.
shaman might be the worst class to play dirty rat against on turn 2
possibly even worse than druid
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Been really enjoying mid range shaman with the Jade cards.
White eyes is pretty solid
White eyes is pretty solid
Man, where is all the aggro?I built a super-defensive control Warrior and it's non-stop Jade Druid and Reno-decks at rank 12 EU.
Pirate Warrior where are youuuuuu.
Member when Pirate Warrior was 40% of the meta? I member.
(Top line is rank 1/Legend, second line is rank 2, and so on).
Pirate warrior dropping in both frequency and power level against the field? Who could have foreeseen that. I remember someone was predicting that this would happen back when a few others were calling it the most broken deck in Hearthstone history and that unprecedented emergency nerfs were needed.
Who could it have been, though.
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