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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
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Sounds like Blizzard is currently happy with Patches' power level:
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-two-year-making-of-hearthstones-patches-the-pirate/
Also interesting is that a version of this card was intended for Blackrock Mountain, but as a Dragon, so that makes it TWO YEARS Blizzard has been working on getting this card into the game. Two years of development and some people expected they'd nerf it within two weeks.
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-two-year-making-of-hearthstones-patches-the-pirate/
Also interesting is that a version of this card was intended for Blackrock Mountain, but as a Dragon, so that makes it TWO YEARS Blizzard has been working on getting this card into the game. Two years of development and some people expected they'd nerf it within two weeks.
Don't shoot the messenger.
BananasWithGuns
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Makes sense if their expectations for it were to be one of the most broken cards in Hearthstone.
Some evidence for why Prince Malchezaar is bad in case people haven't figured it out already.
https://hsreplay.net/replay/63cBx25N9B2zn7w3fEFP4G
https://hsreplay.net/replay/63cBx25N9B2zn7w3fEFP4G
Friggin' Doomsayered a Malygos cause he had garbo legendaries in his hand.
I'm low ranked on my Asia/EU accounts and just hop on to do quests twice a week... It's amazing how many people at rank 18 take a tempo or midrange decklist and just add Malchezaar for no reason. Good luck drawing your pro-active cards when your deck is clogged up with Milhouse Manastorm and Nat Pagle.
Mobius and pet octopus
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That quote shouldn't be read as they are happy with it's power level. If they were happy, they would have said yes. He almost completely dodged the question.
It wasn't even a week before UT was nerfed that ben brode was interviewed in an article that UT was not being changed but was being watched. Granted, that article probably interviewed earlier than a week before the nerf, but it just goes to show you can't rely completely on a single interview response to see what they'll do to problematic cards.
Hearthstone |OT8| Patches Patched
It wasn't even a week before UT was nerfed that ben brode was interviewed in an article that UT was not being changed but was being watched. Granted, that article probably interviewed earlier than a week before the nerf, but it just goes to show you can't rely completely on a single interview response to see what they'll do to problematic cards.
Hearthstone |OT8| Patches Patched
We expected Patches to see play in decks that feature Pirates.
It is seeing play in decks featuring Pirates.
That question was soft ball as hell too. And the guy mentioned that he's playing Elven Archer in his deck to counter Patches.... LMAO!
slightconfuse
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patches is a problem if you second. if you can drop minions on the board first if forces your opponet to make trades.
had a good amount of luck with zoo because of it.
had a good amount of luck with zoo because of it.
Aya is bae you shut up
BananasWithGuns
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Good lord the Jade Druid deck in the brawl is horrible.
Mobius and pet octopus
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It's good to have the option to trade, rather than your 1 drop just being a bulky minion doing nothing the turn it is played.
Patches is a problem if you like card game balance. If you're okay with the first pirate being played being elevated to the power of a 3-4 mana minion, then I guess we just need more of that sort of power creep. That is of course, in my estimation at least, a very bad thing for the game.
It's also clear that every previous iteration of Patches that they had ended up being too broken to release. Seems like they gambled releasing it this set, mostly because it had been in the oven for so long.
It's probably the most broken card in Standard right now. Can't think of one that is more broken.
It may not stop the decks from being play but it's going to lower their power level and win rate enough.
It's probably the most broken card in Standard right now. Can't think of one that is more broken.
They're still doing it is the crazy thing. You'd think he'd be the kind of card that falls out of style once people figure it out but nope. Seems he's still as popular as he ever was.
Cogmaster had a very similar effect in mech decks, but nobody complained about him. STB is very well designed as far as aggressive 1-drops go.
Mobius and pet octopus
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This clip of reynad from the article is great https://clips.twitch.tv/reynad27/InnocentWalrusBigBrother
CarbonatedFalcon
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Shaman seems to have caught on in higher ranks, mirrors are a cluster though.
Dragon Warrior seems strong too, Alexstraza's Champion is really good, and you're not expecting it cause you think warrior = pirate. One guy even had a Curator that pulled a Fierce Monkey, Finley, and some other dragon.
Dragon Warrior seems strong too, Alexstraza's Champion is really good, and you're not expecting it cause you think warrior = pirate. One guy even had a Curator that pulled a Fierce Monkey, Finley, and some other dragon.
mysteriousmage09
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Pirate warrior is the stupidest fucking thing on the face of the earth.
Fuck everyone playing it.
Fuck everyone playing it.
Neutral card vs class card though..jpg/400px-Innervate_(art).jpg?version=57dc0429140fb6dd41541f439ec11acc)
Potentially, but why do they need to do lower those decks' power level? Most decks seem to be pretty inline at power level, according to vS, with only Aggro Shaman out in front. And that's probably more due to Shaman's other OP cards since it, as a class, has been on top of the meta since Old Gods release.
I'm not sure no one complaining about either card is really relevant? Cogmaster was a very strong card in what was the potentially the best deck in the meta at the time. Just like Buccaneer. Personally, I think it has had more effect on Pirate decks being strong on ladder than Patches.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Patches is way more broken than innervate. Innervate at least costs a card.
The top 4 out 5 decks according to VS based on win rates are Aggro Shaman, Miracle Pirate Rogue, Pirate Warrior and Dragon Warrior.
http://www.vicioussyndicate.com/data-reaper-live-beta/
All of whom utilize the PPP.
So if anything, VS is supporting the claim that Patches is too strong right now.
It still has been and always will be the most broken card in the game.
I don't even think patches is the most broken legendary, not in a world where fandral exists. That's sneakily super busted.
As far as neutral legendaries, sure, it's super busted, but it does say something how many qualifications we have to throw in before it's the "most busted card in Standard."
The whole Pirate and Weapon package is strong, yes. Patches is just a part of that (a smaller part than most people think IMO).
Is it too strong though? Like I said, all of the decks outside of Aggro Shaman are very close together in win rates. The 7 decks after Aggro Shaman are all within 2 percentage points of each other. That includes decks that don't run Pirates like Dragon Priest, Renolock and Midrange Shaman.
Aggro decks deserve to be competitive in the meta and nerfing the Pirate package will sink all those aggro decks and just give rise to more midrange and control decks.
I think Innervate wouldn't be a big issue in this meta if it wasn't for Fandral. e.g. turn 1 Fandral isn't fun to play against
or just Fandral + Innvervate + stuff and gg
I keep getting free wins as long as people don't realize the deck isn't actually good and loses to most of the tier 1 and 2 decks out there. matches don't even take long, I play Feral Spirit and they concede.
or just Fandral + Innvervate + stuff and gg
ftfy
I keep getting free wins as long as people don't realize the deck isn't actually good and loses to most of the tier 1 and 2 decks out there. matches don't even take long, I play Feral Spirit and they concede.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Just playing casual real quick to do quests. Picked deathwing from historian, I thought it was the other deathwing. Destroyed my board and my hand instead lol
Patches basically increases the value of the first pirate played by at least 2 mana. Aggro shouldn't be playing 3-4 drops on turn 1 without a downside.
Patches basically increases the value of the first pirate played by at least 2 mana. Aggro shouldn't be playing 3-4 drops on turn 1 without a downside.
Patches is obviously busted because there are no good aggro decks that don't include it. When a neutral card is an auto-include in every deck of a certain archetype, it's broken. Other aggro gameplans (aggro Paladin, aggro Hunter) aren't viable because they don't run the early game weapons that enable the Pirate package. There's clearly an imbalance there when one card is carrying an entire archetype.
However, in this meta, it could be argued that there are no good control decks that don't run Reno and Kazakas.
And a lot of the strong midrange decks are running Aya.
So obviously that are a lot of really, really good cards that are enabling their respective archetypes.
I don't think Patches should be nerfed if nerfing the card destroys the aggro archetype.
I don't want a meta where Jade Druid doesn't get punished for not running any early game, where greedy Priest decks can cut early game cards to run double-entomb, where Miracle Rogue has no bad match-ups.
Much like Anakin had to bring balance to the Force by destroying the Jedi Order, Patches brings balance to the meta by destroying ultra-greedy decks.
Sure, it sucks if you like ultra-greedy decks, but there are worse things in the world than forcing decks to run early game taunts and cheap AOE.
However, in this meta, it could be argued that there are no good control decks that don't run Reno and Kazakas.
And a lot of the strong midrange decks are running Aya.
So obviously that are a lot of really, really good cards that are enabling their respective archetypes.
I don't think Patches should be nerfed if nerfing the card destroys the aggro archetype.
I don't want a meta where Jade Druid doesn't get punished for not running any early game, where greedy Priest decks can cut early game cards to run double-entomb, where Miracle Rogue has no bad match-ups.
Much like Anakin had to bring balance to the Force by destroying the Jedi Order, Patches brings balance to the meta by destroying ultra-greedy decks.
Sure, it sucks if you like ultra-greedy decks, but there are worse things in the world than forcing decks to run early game taunts and cheap AOE.
I think that's probably an exaggeration. Think of an existing 2 mana card and ask yourself if adding stonetusk boar is really like a 4 mana card. 1.5 mana at best.
bangbang i'm a timpani
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its best in rogue too. cold blood makes it so stupid. and small time bucaneer will no matter what become a 3/2 on turn to b/c Rogue can just equip a weapon instead of hoping it has a card in hand like warrior/shaman.
Have you *seen* the premade decks in this game? I'm not the least surprised.
The whole "free stonetusk boar" comparison is weird to me. It completely ignore the deck thinning part of the card.
Deck thinning doesn't matter when you aim to win by turn 5.
Zoo could easily punish Jade decks, but Zoo has a bad matchup against all of the PPP decks.
The difference between a 29 card deck and a 30 card deck is pretty small. This is like point #4 on why the card is good. If Patches didn't thin your deck, it wouldn't see less play.
slightconfuse
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Seat story cup looks great
http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/2101-seatstory-cup-vi-starts-tomorrow
Noodle got put I. The group of death
http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/2101-seatstory-cup-vi-starts-tomorrow
Noodle got put I. The group of death
Watch Wifecoach win the group. Would be awesome.
Group G looks pretty strong too. Group C is a joke.
How much has Hafu even played constructed? Interested to see how she does.
And, of course, can't wait for the wacky J4ckiechan decks.
So of course Brode is gonna say stuff like Elven Archer, Blizzard has to give the impression that people who don't have this new OP legendary have a way to combat it that is availabel to everyone. The fact that it's a terrible card is besides the point, it technically does counter it on a card for card level. The fact that it makes your deck worse and has no synergies whereas Patches has lots of synergies is irrelevant. Brode has to speak to the masses of people who are getting stomped and don't do stuff like read NeoGAF or Reddit to learn how to git gud.
"Egg" Druid seems pretty solid, based on what I've played. It also has the benefit of stomping all over pirate warrior.
But nobody's really playing it right now, so what do I know?
Kripp needs to calm the fuck down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeAQfs8heJE
First he tries to tell people that his combo Reno Priest is good against everything, and now he thinks his Jade N'Zoth Shaman is perfect too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeAQfs8heJE
First he tries to tell people that his combo Reno Priest is good against everything, and now he thinks his Jade N'Zoth Shaman is perfect too.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Your first pirate draws and plays a 1 mana card. Just do the math there. Drawing a card alone is roughly 1.5 mana worth of value. You're then playing a 1 mana card. 2.5 mana.
Hey, if no one's playing it that's an advantage. People expect Jade and you're throwing them a curveball with Egg Druid.
I played a bit of the old Egg Druid list back when Jeeves was in it, and it was extremely strong then.
If it's working for you keep at it. I haven't played it, I haven't played against it, and I haven't seen it played on stream. No idea where it lands in this meta so it's up to you to let us know.
What's your list look like?
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