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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
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Yeah, you're right. Didn't think about the context; just saw more pirate talk and got triggered, lol.
I don't think pirates are going to be a big deal next meta. Either they'll get nerfed or the new cards will make that package significantly less popular.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think the biggest change will be tunnel trogg and totem golem rotating out. I think the high health of these early game minions are much harder to tech against than pirate warrior is.
If reno decks are significantly worse, it could also be easier to counter aggro decks and reno decks at the same time. Maybe paladin gets a bit better because of that.
And yeah, it's hard to predict how things could change because of new cards. I think that is pretty obvious.
I think patches remains strong if not nerfed.
I can tell you with very high confidence that we'll never see a neutral heal that strong again. Heals are either going to stuff like Mistress of Mixtures/Refreshment Vendor or they are going to be class cards. Team 5 seems very committed to making the classes feel different and part of that is not giving certain classes effective heals.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Healbot is fine, they even said they've considered bringing healbot back.
Are you sure? Most of what I've seen has been very negative towards good neutral heals.
Mobius and pet octopus
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They've been negative towards giving rogue heals.
In one interview they were asked if they might bring back cards into standard. Sludge belcher was mentioned as a definite no and healbot was said as a possibility. Nothing definitive of course.
If I am recalling correctly, part of the Rogue shitstorm pre-MSG resulted in someone from Team 5 saying that Rogue doesn't get good heals or effective board clears as part of its class identity. If that's correct, it'd be very strange to say that and then print an effective neutral heal that Rogues would have access to.
I also feel that Team 5 is currently trying to design neutral cards in such a way that they don't end up as a default inclusion in lots of different types of decks, which a neutral heal would end up being.
They don't want to end up with another Piloted Shredder or Azure Drake.
But anything neutral is giving rogue heals.
Or patches. Wait crap!
Mobius and pet octopus
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I meant rogue class heals...
Patches is only heavily played in three classes (and all three of those classes have good early game weapons that enable Small Time Bucaneer--it's almost like it's STB that's the problem and not Patches at all!)
Anyway, I found the citation where they say Rogues are only ever getting "weak" life-gain and aoe:
http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/2024-dean-ayala-iksarhs-discusses-arena-and-rogues
So when I say we'll never see a neutral heal as good as Healbot again, this is why. I want to see a strong heal printed for Warlock so I can play control lock without having to make a highlander deck. That's my number one wish for the next expansion -- control lock without having to run a Reno deck.
Lone_Prodigy
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Versus Pirate Warrior.
I have 7 HP, he has one swing left with a 6 damage Arcanite Reaper, but no board and no hand.
He emotes, swings, then plays Southsea Deckhand. "That was an error."
I play Drake and draw Mirror Images. Next turn he plays For the Warchief, then I draw Roaring Torch for exact lethal (with Fireball, Drake, and ping).
"Thank you."
I have 7 HP, he has one swing left with a 6 damage Arcanite Reaper, but no board and no hand.
He emotes, swings, then plays Southsea Deckhand. "That was an error."
I play Drake and draw Mirror Images. Next turn he plays For the Warchief, then I draw Roaring Torch for exact lethal (with Fireball, Drake, and ping).
"Thank you."
Mobius and pet octopus
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I don't see the point you're making. If they did not want to give rogue any heal options at all they wouldn't have cards like ERF, healbot, or cult apothecary in the neutral set.
Class cards are often, although perhaps not always, stronger than similar neutral options. That is the difference.
I find it funny (or sad) no one replies to this. I guess its painful for someone to advise you to craft a singleton deck card cause we all know that its heavily RNG dependent. I have raza and ran him like 2-3 times... He doesnt feel so powerful to require such a harsh restriction (just like Solia) where you have go gimp and be Singleton deck
just my take on it I'd prefer for a real priest to reply to you. I really dont like Priest they seem nothing half as cool as Shadow priests were in World of Warcraft (at least in vanilla). Shadow Priests were heavily offensive. Priests in this game is like a thief or something. Sorry this not what you asked for lol plz someone help this guy
edit- now Kazakus on the other hand is worth going gimp for
I pulled Raza from a pack its only reason I've used him. I always dust my Priest legendaries cause I always felt it was a bad class since day 1 I startedI think they believe healbot was a mistake.
If they don't want rogue to have good heals then they can't make good neutral heals.
I missed the last 2 expansions and now I'm trying to catch up to play standard. Bought the last adventure and 50 packs with amazon coins( had a gift card).
My packs were mediocre. I do have a ton of dust from legendary dupes I've been holding on to.
My packs were mediocre. I do have a ton of dust from legendary dupes I've been holding on to.
I find it funny (or sad) no one replies to this. I guess its painful for someone to advise you to craft a singleton deck card cause we all know that its heavily RNG dependent. I have raza and ran him like 2-3 times... He doesnt feel so powerful to require such a harsh restriction (just like Solia) where you have go gimp and be Singleton deck
just my take on it I'd prefer for a real priest to reply to you. I really dont like Priest they seem nothing half as cool as Shadow priests were in World of Warcraft (at least in vanilla). Shadow Priests were heavily
offensive. Priests in this game is like a thief or something. Sorry this not what you asked for lol plz someone help this guy
edit- now Kazakus on the other hand is worth going gimp for
cause I always felt it was a bad class since day 1 I started
I'll take the silence as It's not worth crafting or no one is playing that deck lol. Guess I will save my dust and stick with Dragon Priest for now. I probably wouldn't feel great crafting a niche legendary like Chillmaw when it is about to rotate anyway.
Mobius and pet octopus
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If there was a problem with healbot it is because it exceeded the *class* health options of the time. Healbot is actually pretty average now. It was all the rage for a while in gvg but a lot less since then.
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I meant the *class* health options if that wasn't apparent.
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I think warlock is a bigger reason they might not print a new healbot, because they leverage high amounts of healing much more than rogue does.
For Reno Priest you definitely want to craft Raza, but I wouldn't necessarily bother with Velen.
Perhaps consider Ysera as your big dragon instead of Chillmaw.
That said, I don't have the dragons to run dragon Reno, so take that with a grain of salt.
i'm running a reno dragon priest and raza is an essential card in the reno priest deck. the extra 2 mana you save is so beneficial in the long run. i also don't have chillmaw as like you said, it's going to be out of rotation but it would be a nice addition to the deck considering it's a dragon and has taunt.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Best win of the night:
Mage played brann + kazakus the turn after I played beneath the grounds.
Also, it was a great feeling after he got Pavel babbling book RNG to get him a vaporize to eat my 10/10 van cleef he had no answer for.
Mage played brann + kazakus the turn after I played beneath the grounds.
Also, it was a great feeling after he got Pavel babbling book RNG to get him a vaporize to eat my 10/10 van cleef he had no answer for.
Why would they bother playing ranked? They got their gold hero already.
Awesome glad he got some advice from some real priests
good job!!!
Game is 3 years old, its not hard to rack up 500 ranked wins in that time. They aren't a sign of skill, they are a sign of play time.
I also wish there was a way to turn them off.
Here is a pirate deck and a beast/taunt Druid deck I threw together on Asia. I'm F2P there, but have a ton of Warrior cards because I've focused on Warrior, Shaman, and Warlock since they were so strong for F2P decks the past year. I don't have any cards from LoE or Blackrock Mountain!
I made this because I had all the pirate since Pre-patches pirate warrior was my go to questing deck.
Somehow I've made it to rank 7 just knocking out quests this month. Maybe some hope to other F2P folks that you can still grind with some wacky decks.
I made this because I had all the pirate since Pre-patches pirate warrior was my go to questing deck.
Somehow I've made it to rank 7 just knocking out quests this month. Maybe some hope to other F2P folks that you can still grind with some wacky decks.
said every control player ever.
Us too! chimed in most of the combo players, or what was left of them
500 win tracking isn't though
Rogue non stop BM-ing me for having Leeroy and 10/10 Van cleef on board.
Sadly I had dragonfire potion, entomb, SWD and my DO is on board. He was around 18 and I was 12.
So I take my time, pretending he had lethal and I started BM-ing after I cleared his board! The satisfaction of revenge.
I'm gonna try climb ladder harder for 2017 and playing casual less.
Sadly I had dragonfire potion, entomb, SWD and my DO is on board. He was around 18 and I was 12.
So I take my time, pretending he had lethal and I started BM-ing after I cleared his board! The satisfaction of revenge.
I'm gonna try climb ladder harder for 2017 and playing casual less.
Karsticles
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I beat #44 in Wild today. Felt damn good. I saw he was playing a N'Zoth Shaman deck, so I saved up Brann for the double Kazakus 10-mana potions. I got the "Sheep all, 6-damage to all" potion I was looking for, and that killed his win condition.
Karsticles
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The meta there is super aggro (Rakano Warcry). Actually, the meta in every single card game I play is super aggro right now.
DON'T CRAFT ANYTHING BELOW BLUE RARITY. You get to keep cards from Draft - use it to fill out most of your collection.
The meta there is super aggro (Rakano Warcry). Actually, the meta in every single card game I play is super aggro right now.
DON'T CRAFT ANYTHING BELOW BLUE RARITY. You get to keep cards from Draft - use it to fill out most of your collection.
Thank you for the infos.
Why everything is so small tho? I'm on S7 and barely can read the tiny font.
Yup. I'm on Android.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I'm way too greedy playing Renolock. Fell back a whole rank from 3 to 4
apparently Kabal Chemist doesn't create dragonfire potions.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthston..._chemist_does_not_generate_dragonfire_potion/
no wonder the card has been so bad lol. Makes you wonder what other RNG effect in this game is bugged and no one knows yet. lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthston..._chemist_does_not_generate_dragonfire_potion/
no wonder the card has been so bad lol. Makes you wonder what other RNG effect in this game is bugged and no one knows yet. lol
Mobius and pet octopus
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I've got no problems reading eternal text on my s6, but I also largely just play in gauntlet. This way I can do other things, usually watch a tv show on netflix, and not worry about taking my turn within the turn timer.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
good that ladder is about to be over, falling quickly playing Reno. I must say though the games were you don't just draw Reno on curve are way more thrilling and fair for that matter.
SonicXtreme
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i took my coworkers egg druid into wild (he has the adventures but not a lot of other cards) and ran into a golden hunter at rank 25 in wild. destroyed him but still made me o_o, i see why he's so scared of ranked sometimes lol. it's a lot of fun helping him build viable decks and teaching him the game though. imo his best decks are dragon priest (adventures build most of this and the other cards aren't expensive), wild egg druid (naxx has some cray cray tools for it), he loves resurrect priest and beast druid (beast is basically built by adventures, resurrect he suffers from no paletress but he has sylvanas and ragnaros)
SonicXtreme
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mage is still the best class in arena. warlock has jumped leaps and bounds, but priest seems inconsistent to me. for every draft i get an LOL deathlord/velens chosen combo off in, you just get wrecked by faster decks in another game. mage is so consistent. even awful players have to straight draft blindfolded to get a sub .500 mage run.
BananasWithGuns
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17 wins away from golden Warrior and I just have no motivation to do it. Supposedly control Warrior isn't even all that bad but I kind of don't like where Warrior is at right now.
SonicXtreme
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