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Tbh I'm having bad luck playing PW. Sometimes I had no weapon until late turn or got patches in my hand.
Playing aggro shaman now.
Is dragon pirate warrior more realiable than PW?
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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
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Me!
Tbh I'm having bad luck playing PW. Sometimes I had no weapon until late turn or got patches in my hand.
Playing aggro shaman now.
Is dragon pirate warrior more realiable than PW?
The Mango Sentinel
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That should be the Patches nerf. 50% chance to get Patches in your mulligan and 50% chance for him to be your first draw.
Actually I think this is already the case. It's happened in 3/5 of my last games.
Brawndo Addict
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Hmm, got enough dust for a legendary...
I've already gotten Raza, White Eyes, Patches, Kazakus and Aya. Anything else from this expansion that people think is worth getting or should I just start saving for the next one?
I could also go back to Classic but I have all the legendaries that see use aside from Malygos. The Old Gods is getting rotated out this spring too right?
I've already gotten Raza, White Eyes, Patches, Kazakus and Aya. Anything else from this expansion that people think is worth getting or should I just start saving for the next one?
I could also go back to Classic but I have all the legendaries that see use aside from Malygos. The Old Gods is getting rotated out this spring too right?
Nah, Blackrock Mountain, The Grand Tournament and League of Explorers will rotate out when a new expansion drops.
Master of Disguise is the obvious one. There would be some gimmick decks with it like Master of Disguise and Scaled Nightmare but generally regular Miracoli does similar things but better.
Pre-nerf Charge mostly because that deck would not survive the onslaught of Pirate decks and is far less relevant than even Control Warrior.
Flare is another one especially with Hunter being bad in the meta at the moment and Secret decks not being prevalent in Standard. Good in Wild though.
Brawndo Addict
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Oh that's actually super great then, I have no class legendaries from the Old Gods expansion. Oh man, too many choices now. Probably get Fandral or Light Ragnaros....
Questing Adventurer made a comeback in Miracle Rogue, and tossing in Master of Disguise with your Questing Adventurer in a miracle deck was actually kind of legit.
I think pre-nerf BGH wouldn't see much play these days in the fast meta. Though it might make the prevalence of the 4 7/7 in aggro shaman drop a bunch.
I wonder if making Shattered Sun Cleric back into a 3/3 would be enough to make Zoo good again? I suspect that it wouldn't. Though a card like that might be good enough to make Goon decks able to hold off some of the aggro stuff. Though as a neutral the pirates would all run it too.
Mobius and pet octopus
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People call reynad just salty when he accuses someone of ghosting.
BrightLightLava
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Congrats! Now hit 10.
Thank you, 10 is my goal. But I'm already happy with my current ranking.
Edit: wanted to dust malcheezar and rafaam and another epic that I probably won't use so I can craft VC, 1 prep and 1 questing adv.
Someone stop me!
Karsticles
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Fun fact: since Kazakus counts for 3 classes, you can work on your "Play 50 Mage Cards" quest while being a Warlock.
I didn't get Warrior my first time - they're random.
I didn't get Warrior my first time - they're random.
Right after I posted that, I didn't get Warrior for the first time in about 6 brawls.
*edit* I've lost like 5 in a row picking Hunter as the primary class. I WILL prove it's theoretically possible to win a brawl with it.
*edit2* I did it! It only took about an hour.
err the armorsmith version of worgen OTK deck will slay the patches deck
People call reynad just salty when he accuses someone of ghosting.
Nine times out of ten he accuses people of ghosting when they make completely resonable responses to absurdly obvious telegraphs. Of course he left me at 14 health, he's ghosting so he knows I have a mortal strike in hand. <<had two cards in hand, only played a single 2 mana card with 10 mana>> Yeah, okay man.
small time buccaneer nerf is pretty much happening.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/01/12/hearthstone-small-time-buccaneer-has-already-been-nerfed
please nerf patches too.... I have 3...
sounds like pre made decks for sale are on their radar too.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/01/12/hearthstone-small-time-buccaneer-has-already-been-nerfed
please nerf patches too.... I have 3...
sounds like pre made decks for sale are on their radar too.
Shadowverse already beat them to the pre-made decks thing.
I don't know how good those decks are but if Blizzard plans to just sell those bad deck recipes for cash then well... lul!
PPP getting the nerf... shocking stuff.
As in the card kept gaining plus 2 every time you equipped a weapon making it broken in Rogue. Supreme power creep over Lowly Squire.
I don't know how good those decks are but if Blizzard plans to just sell those bad deck recipes for cash then well... lul!
PPP getting the nerf... shocking stuff.
They said this right around the time Shaman was on top so not gonna put much stock into this.
Ayy lmao!
As in the card kept gaining plus 2 every time you equipped a weapon making it broken in Rogue. Supreme power creep over Lowly Squire.
if you nerf STB you don't need to nerf patches
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Nerf both and give me dust
I'm confused by this. Were they lying about statistics (and players could prove them wrong)?
Or are you suggesting their interpretation of statistics was flawed despite winrates?
They might make Bucaneer get +1 weapon and that will not be enough to stop the PPP. People will just get the double Southsea going.
Shaman was clearly a dominant class back then and the meta was NOT healthy but Blizzard was trying to play it off like the meta had never been better. Blizzard always had this "meta is great, so much deck variety, great match up charts!" PR statement when it's not actually true.
They sugar coat the stats or don't reveal enough of the data.
Shaman was clearly a dominant class back then and the meta was NOT healthy but Blizzard was trying to play it off like the meta had never been better. Blizzard always had this "meta is great, so much deck variety, great match up charts!" PR statement when it's not actually true.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I dunno man
how you even nerf buccaneer? I hope they just remove the pirate tag, that's the best way to nerf it.... I think the card is fine honestly. Lots of good answers to 3/2s, Patches isn't.
They probably make it a 1/1 or something unplayable like that.
Rogue can use other pirates, deckhand is actually really good in rogue and the only class that played it for the longest time, through miracle and oil in a lot of lists. It's not going to erase PPP if they only nerf STB.
They probably make it a 1/1 or something unplayable like that.
Rogue can use other pirates, deckhand is actually really good in rogue and the only class that played it for the longest time, through miracle and oil in a lot of lists. It's not going to erase PPP if they only nerf STB.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I'd like it if they changed it to 2 mana and make it a 2/2.
If it's a 1 mana card that has some stats and Pirate tag then it will still get played because of Patches.
Statistically Midrange Shaman was close to the most broken deck in HS Undertaker in the Karazhan meta. Top 4 most broken decks in HS on Ladder have been Undertaker Hunter, Combo Druid, Midrange Shaman and Secret Paladin. Grim Patron Warrior was probably broken at Legend ranks but at lower ranks it was terrible.
Seems like Blizzard is implying that collectively the Pirates deck make a massive portion of the meta. "Tall stack" in fact though that should be shocking to no one.
Statistically Midrange Shaman was close to the most broken deck in HS Undertaker in the Karazhan meta. Top 4 most broken decks in HS on Ladder have been Undertaker Hunter, Combo Druid, Midrange Shaman and Secret Paladin. Grim Patron Warrior was probably broken at Legend ranks but at lower ranks it was terrible.
Seems like Blizzard is implying that collectively the Pirates deck make a massive portion of the meta. "Tall stack" in fact though that should be shocking to no one.
i wouldn't trust the hearthstone community to tell me that the sky is blue though so...
How can this be proven though? Blizzard presumably has more data than anyone. Maybe their internal data was different from the data on the people who used tracking sites, but those sites are only a subset of the full data.
On another topic, as a new player it's sad to find out about things that have become impossible. I almost got a deck built to try a OTK Warrior setup since I have Raging Worgen, only to discover that the combo has been permanently removed by the Charge change.
Prove what? Shaman dominated tournaments, ladder and even their Heroic Brawl. We have good enough stats for these where we can extrapolate a conclusion from especially the tournament stats which are completely open.How can this be proven though? Blizzard presumably has more data than anyone. Maybe their internal data was different from the data on the people who used tracking sites, but those sites are only a subset of the full data.
On another topic, as a new player it's sad to find out about things that have become impossible. I almost got a deck built to try a OTK Warrior setup since I have Raging Worgen, only to discover that the combo has been permanently removed by the Charge change.
The main point of contention was whether Midrange Shaman was at the level of dominance of Undertake Hunter and Combo Druid. Blizzard for the first time actually gave out hard statistics on those two decks l. Undertaker Hunter was the most common deck on Ladder and Combo Druid at one point in time had the highest winrate in HS. Midrange Shaman was close to both those numbers.
Mind you we are talking about a deck in Standard AFTER that class got a bunch of its cards nerfed versus two decks that were essentially erased from existence due to card nerfs.
Whether this is "healthy" for the game or not is a separate issue. Midrange Shaman didn't have lopsided match ups like Freeze Mage did, there weren't many auto win games for that deck nor many auto lose. It's very different from what we have now (where we have a bunch of decks with close win rates but more polarized match ups) but Blizzard is calling this healthy too.
Metas are only an issue after the fact. Old Gods was fine for Blizzard until they were forced to nerf a bunch of cards like Yogg and CotW.
I think it would be a shame for them to nerf Small Time Buccaneer's stats, it's a good early minion and it only feels bad when dropped on turn 1 if you see it start to slide and that cannon appear. 2/2 is vanilla stats for a one drop at this point so turning it into a subpar card just because of Patches would be really disappointing.
Blizzard has a hard-on for Patches. Before MSG came out they always talked about how for many team members it was their favorite card and how hard they worked to put it in the game. So I guess they'd rather just nerf STB instead even if he's less a problem.
If they nerf STB before rotation, Rogue will probably just replace STB with regular Buccaneer and nothing will change for them. Pirate warrior will continue to be a thing because N'Zoth's First Mate and Southsea Deckhand are good enough by themselves, they'll just toss in some other early drops. I guess Shaman will drop the package but that'll be it.
If they nerf STB before rotation, Rogue will probably just replace STB with regular Buccaneer and nothing will change for them. Pirate warrior will continue to be a thing because N'Zoth's First Mate and Southsea Deckhand are good enough by themselves, they'll just toss in some other early drops. I guess Shaman will drop the package but that'll be it.
I absolutely adore Dirty Rat, it is amazing when played well... this player was also prepared with a devolve, not the best tech to deal with the pulls, but can work to deal with a couple difficult ones.
Overall this was amazing
Leeroy is a solid craft. He's probably evergreen, he never really left the meta entirely even after a very significant nerf, and it's unlikely he'll be nerfed again.
Blizzard has never been about doing something first. They're taking known concepts and giving them some polish. That goes for both their IPs and gameplay elements within those franchises.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Have horrible draws in MTGO get fed up switch to hearthstone, draw patches as the first card the first 2 games... My opponent goes turn 1 trogg into coin wolves. Turn 2 cannon into Southsea x2 Finley hunter. He turn 1 curse bladed against an aggro deck and I dealt 4 damage to him total...
The only thing that would worry me about leeroy is Blizzard are discussing some cuts to classic cards recently.
Though, I'm assuming they will give full dust refunds for classic cards rotated out. I also don't think Leeroy is necessarily on the chopping block either.
When cards are rotated out of standard do you get full dust refunds for those? I'm assuming not since that is established rotation that would also cut down on their profit margins.
charlequin
Banned
By individual players on long-term tilt generalizing from their half-remembered anecdotal experience, obviously. That's typically the most prominent metagame analysis in HS as far as I can tell.
We never got full refunds on the Naxx or GvG sets so it's unlikely they'll give refunds for other cards rotated out. Rotated cards are still useful in wild and most of the constructed tavern brawls.
I'll probably just dust them then ¯_(ツ
Don't be a hater on Wild, Grief! Wild is actually quite fun to play in, especially at the lower ranks where people are running unrefined decks. You can try experimental crap on ladder and win!
you know, hunter is pretty bad right now, but I don't think they need much to be viable again
hell, since the biggest problem is card draw, maybe even buffing starving buzzard would do it
dropping it down by 1 mana would probably be enough
lol no lies detected
hell, since the biggest problem is card draw, maybe even buffing starving buzzard would do it
dropping it down by 1 mana would probably be enough
lol no lies detected
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