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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
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fak I forget that, that's actually the best one
The Mango Sentinel
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Tirion is great...when I get him off of Drakonid Operative.
Nah, but really, I like Tirion...just not now since Paladin isn't that great.
mhmhmh i dont have Jaraxxus but i would recommend Thalnos.
He's way more flexible and has a place on several decks.
Tirion is an auto-include in any non-aggro Pally but simple counters are too high in number to make much impact, especially with a decent priest meta. Paladin also can't afford to run any removal baiters like Cairne and Sylvanas alongside Tirion due to how aggressive the meta is. Don't think that's a problem with Tirion though, just the general state of Paladin.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Paladin's issue isn't even that the meta sucks for the class but that the class has only 1 good deck that could thrive in a different meta. The class simply has crap for tools. Even mage gets hard removal in addition to burn.
Lagspike_exe
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Paladin currently sucks, but I see a lot of potential depending on the next expansion. Removing BrM, LoE and TGTwill decimate Kabal classes and Shaman as well. Buffing mechanics work great for Pally, but the other classes are simply too good right now.
Vancleef is far above Inkmaster Solia as far as class Legendaries go.
slightconfuse
Banned
Paladin needs a hard removal and a better AOE spell.
lifecoach jade deck is pretty good, everyone has been trying to build a list that does well against everything and it didn't work out so well. In the end it appears pirates are just better than trogg/golem/feral spirit package and just not play those anymore. rip. The deck indeed does well against everything. No Brann either!
you can play this deck card for card after rotation btw!
you can play this deck card for card after rotation btw!
Including the devolve?
I see another list of his without devolve. Which list are you playing?
Who is Isola? Google has failed me. *edit* Oh, you must mean Solia.
And VC must be Edwin VanCleef. Thanks.
Do you Have the deck list?
I still think Master of evolution should be able to target any minion not just friendly minions.
I happened to have one with the warrior boss. I summoned a full board of big minions ready to evolve next turn (I was against the shaman boss)
this brawl is one of the greatest they have ever done. I'm sad to see it go.
I wish HS had the same mode as Overwtach were in a same week there are several brawls to select.
Man, HS is really lacking in modes...
vS Data Reaper Report #35
It's lacking in a lot of places when you consider that it's the market leader.
Yay Shamanstone....
I don't agree with their statement that Midrange Shaman being in the meta suppresses control decks. Yeah it makes CW and Reno Mage worse but it makes Renolock more appealing. More slower Shamans in the meta means Renolock can return with teched in Felfire.
Midrange Shaman also opens space for Freeze Mage and Tempo Mage to catch on which do well against Renolock.
I don't agree with their statement that Midrange Shaman being in the meta suppresses control decks. Yeah it makes CW and Reno Mage worse but it makes Renolock more appealing. More slower Shamans in the meta means Renolock can return with teched in Felfire.
Midrange Shaman also opens space for Freeze Mage and Tempo Mage to catch on which do well against Renolock.
BlackBuzzard
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I cant even bother to go for rank 5 any more, I read that interview with Brode and the part about Small time Buccaneer no wonder its so broken.
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thepotatoman
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At least it's more like the Pre-ONiK Warrior meta than the Pre-Gadgetzan Shaman meta, because the one dominant class is using a veriety of decks.
I think Paladin and Hunter combined 4% frequency on that VS chart is the most disappointing thing about this meta. Even Priest alone hovered at 4% when it was in the dumps.
I think Paladin and Hunter combined 4% frequency on that VS chart is the most disappointing thing about this meta. Even Priest alone hovered at 4% when it was in the dumps.
BananasWithGuns
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The dominant class is also about to get blindsided by the rotation.
Midrange Jade shaman is super insulated from rotation.
What is Aggro shaman losing? Tunnel Trogg, Totem Golem and what else?
EDIT: Legit asking btw, i dunno which sets are rotating out.
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thepotatoman
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Tunnel Trogg/Totem Golem are a massive loss, but it is only two cards. Nothing else really matters much.
Wonder if midrange can find a way to survive without them.
Finnley is the only other Aggro Shaman card. Control loses Healing Wave and Brann. That's pretty much it.
EDIT: Blackrock Mountain, League of Explorers, and The Grand Tournament are the only ones being rotated I think.
Wonder if midrange can find a way to survive without them.
Finnley is the only other Aggro Shaman card. Control loses Healing Wave and Brann. That's pretty much it.
EDIT: Blackrock Mountain, League of Explorers, and The Grand Tournament are the only ones being rotated I think.
BananasWithGuns
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Take into account that STB is pretty much a lock to get nerfed as well. Shaman's early game is getting nuked and is very unlikely to be replaced in the next expansion.
Shaman is unquestionably going to have to get slower in my opinion. Which then you start getting into losses like Azure Drake, Thunder Bluff Valiant, probably Ragnaros and who knows what else.
I expect Blizzard to heavily push control Shaman over all other archetypes in the next expansion as well. Of course who knows how well that will work out with the loss of Healing Wave and Elemental Destruction.
Shaman is unquestionably going to have to get slower in my opinion. Which then you start getting into losses like Azure Drake, Thunder Bluff Valiant, probably Ragnaros and who knows what else.
I expect Blizzard to heavily push control Shaman over all other archetypes in the next expansion as well. Of course who knows how well that will work out with the loss of Healing Wave and Elemental Destruction.
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thepotatoman
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Congrats on your rank.
And yeah, that sounds like a typical rank 16 meta. Just worry about overcoming that, and you'll find your relentless aggro and midrange shaman to practice against soon enough, probably around rank 12.
Thanks for the info!
Mobius and pet octopus
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I'm okay with STB being nerfed, but they should also nerf other 1 drops. They won't though. Somehow we lived with mana wyrm since classic but the moment a 1 drop exists to compete with long standing strong 1 drops.... eve'body go crazy. I think a lot of the game's meta has been dictated by inclusion of strong early game minions. I don't think STB is any more broken than NSC or flame imp tbh. STB + patches, is of course a different story. I'd rather see patches nerfed because that is the bigger problem imo. But in either case, slowing the game down a bit might get me to actually play again. I haven't played much at all this season.
Lagspike_exe
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I've been playing Reno Mage, Renolock, Dragon Warrior, Dragon Pirate Warrior, Gettaway Paladin and nothing gets close to pure Pirate Warrior. The laddering is so insanely fast.
Control Shaman loses ED and Lava Shock
guess we start running devolve? I dunno. Gonna have so little considering we're heading into an adventurer so there's only so many cards that get printed.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Control Shaman loses ED and Lava Shock
guess we start running devolve? I dunno. Gonna have so little considering we're heading into an adventurer so there's only so many cards that get printed.
Next set will be a full one, not an adventure.
They abanoned the old pattern when they switched to standard. It'll always be set-adventure-set, new year, set-adventure-set
We don't actually know that. They have said some stuff that suggests they are open to screwing with the release timing of sets and adventures and I don't think they have reaffirmed the set - adventure- set per year release schedule since before the first rotation.
It's likely to be a set, but still possible to be an adventure.
Mobius and pet octopus
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We know based on what they've said. I've linked it before.
Mobius and pet octopus
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They rarely talk about upcoming content though. I don't think they will start a standard rotation with just an adventure. They want 2017 year to be very different from 2016. They have said that as much, probably in stronger words.
Lone_Prodigy
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Was thinking the other day about Fiery War Axe. What if it was nerfed to a 2/3 instead?
As a 3/2, it lets you remove Trogg, Mana Wyrm, and a Feral Spirit, even if you have no board. As a 2/3, it denies you that reach but still lets you remove STB and 3/2 drops.
As a 3/2, it lets you remove Trogg, Mana Wyrm, and a Feral Spirit, even if you have no board. As a 2/3, it denies you that reach but still lets you remove STB and 3/2 drops.
Yeah I was just thinking about how trogg, mana wyrm and feral spirits needed a buff.
The Mango Sentinel
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Ugh...no
2 damage weapons aren't all that great for the most part, or at least I've never liked using them.
I'd rather them just not allow you to hit the face with weapons until the next turn or unless the board is clear...or both.
Far-reaching changes to weapons in general (or at least any low cost weapon, ie 1-2 mana), would be the biggest change to the game they have ever made. Not saying that they shouldn't do it. Cheap weapons are insanely powerful cards for both tempo and value, they probably need to be SUPER careful with those (just like 1 drops... LUL STB).
But giving Blizzard's reluctance to make sweeping changes instituting a mechanics change like "Weapons can't ever go face" or "Weapons can only go face if the board is clear" would be a massive, massive change to the game. I have no idea if we'd land in a better or worse place than we are now, but it would be easily the biggest changed they've ever done. Would be exciting for that reason alone.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think people are over-stating the issue with weapons. I think the main issue is specific weapons, not weapons as a whole. Yes weapons can go face, just like damage spells, but take multiple turns and are blocked by taunts.
The main culprits are spirit claws, maybe FWA although you could argue it's a different kind of problem, and doomhammer which has already been nerfed so maybe it's... sorta okay.
I didn't agree with kibler saying jade claws was a problem. It's just one good card in a class that has too many good cards. IIRC he was even going as far to say that argent lance was a problem. I think his argument was too far reaching.
The main culprits are spirit claws, maybe FWA although you could argue it's a different kind of problem, and doomhammer which has already been nerfed so maybe it's... sorta okay.
I didn't agree with kibler saying jade claws was a problem. It's just one good card in a class that has too many good cards. IIRC he was even going as far to say that argent lance was a problem. I think his argument was too far reaching.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Does the tavern brawl count for class quests
charlequin
Banned
Yes, exactly like Charge, the issue is a consistent misevaluation of combat burst damage, not fundamentally the mechanics that allow you to get it.
Wins do at least.
sounds unplayable outside of a smorc deck.
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