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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
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The Mango Sentinel
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Yeah but what cards are you playing to actually apply some damage? If you're in fatigue and I still have 10 cards left on top of 30+ armor, how do you get out of that situation?
Edit: 10 cards is a lot, so I'll say 6, which is about the average
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Healing with Ragnaros is the worst, you can beat the Tirion and the Ashbringer but Paladin only has so much damage and LightRag laughs in the face of that.
Hey, look what happened when they doubled down on concepts like Paladin Secrets, Overload, Pirates, Murlocs, Dragons...
We got brain dead curve decks? So they want Rogue to become a boring curve deck like everyone else?
It's not hard to make a class archetype good... it's hard to make it interesting, unique and skill intensive.
my two losses on this arena run
paladin opponent plays netherspite historian on 2 to discover a dragon, I pull ahead most of the game until he drops tirion which gets him back in it, I get ahead again and he drops a 13/13 deathwing he had discovered and buffed, great. I set up lethal on my side of the board because he has 1 spare part in hand from a mech yeti and deathwing + ashbringer still has him 4 short of lethal.
he topdecks seal of champions and the spare part was whirling blades giving him lethal.
Hunter Opponent coins ram wrangler into gahzrilla. I have no poly in hand but 2 in deck. next turn he double arcane shots his gahz for lethal
paladin opponent plays netherspite historian on 2 to discover a dragon, I pull ahead most of the game until he drops tirion which gets him back in it, I get ahead again and he drops a 13/13 deathwing he had discovered and buffed, great. I set up lethal on my side of the board because he has 1 spare part in hand from a mech yeti and deathwing + ashbringer still has him 4 short of lethal.
he topdecks seal of champions and the spare part was whirling blades giving him lethal.
Hunter Opponent coins ram wrangler into gahzrilla. I have no poly in hand but 2 in deck. next turn he double arcane shots his gahz for lethal
Mike Donais hatin' on my boy Antique Healbot smh
So friggin' hyped for HS!
(I get his point tho)
So friggin' hyped for HS!
* Kripparian intensifies *
Deathrattle Rogue is funsies
I don't even know how PTR would work for HS since they are not testing new content with it, I mean, testing nerfs? that's it?
yeah I wouldn't say it won't work, in HS in particular it just takes one or two good cards to make an archetype really insane.
I just try to make a huge presence on board, and that usually ends up making the control opponent to waste too much resources dealing with the minions, it is actually really fun because I have to think wisely about which minions I'm ok of being disposed and which ones I should be saving.
for example I love saving Brann+Kazakus+Manic Soulcaster for huge value. I just don't throw them alone if I know I'm facing a control warrior
yeah I wouldn't say it won't work, in HS in particular it just takes one or two good cards to make an archetype really insane.
I just try to make a huge presence on board, and that usually ends up making the control opponent to waste too much resources dealing with the minions, it is actually really fun because I have to think wisely about which minions I'm ok of being disposed and which ones I should be saving.
for example I love saving Brann+Kazakus+Manic Soulcaster for huge value. I just don't throw them alone if I know I'm facing a control warrior
BananasWithGuns
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Mage already has one of, if not the best, Classic sets in the game. I think they'll be fine.
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Nah man that's not broken enough.
2 mana 2/2 Stealth. Legendary. Summon from your deck when you play a Stealth minion.
1 mana 1/2 Stealth. Gain +2 attack when you have another Stealth minion.
Ambush: 3 mana spell. Your Stealth minions gain +2 attack this turn and are Stealthed at the end of the turn.
3 mana 4/3 Stealth. Battlecry: Your Stealth minion gains +3 attack and is stealthed again at the end of the turn.
Night Hunt. 3 mana spell. Draw two cards. If the cards drawn are Stealth minions then they cost -3 mana.
4 mana 5/4 Stealth. If you attack the enemy hero, then re-stealth and gain +1 health.
The tricks, the combos, the plays... the stealth.
This is my favorite. What could even remove this? Stacked AOE spells? Random enemy destruction cards? Vanish (which just delays the problem)? Doombringer?
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Mobius and pet octopus
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We got that neutral, which people argue isn't hot garbage.
A 5 mana 4/6 that removes stealth doesn't actually remove a 5/5, although I guess it might go even over 2 turns.
Isn't Renolock totally nuts in Wild right now?
The statistic they gave doesn't really surprise me, because not everybody plays Wild to play the best deck.
Renolock, Pirate Warrior (with Ship's Cannon) and... something else is probably what is beest in wild right now. Interestingly enough, secret paladin has all but died out in wild. I don't think it can keep up with pretty much any well tune deck with MSOG cards in them.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think the wild thing is because not as many top players even bother focusing on wild, so the meta is not as exposed to the general player base.
Pirate warrior is super popular and almost certainly top three popularity so it isn't the highest winrate deck.
Renolock is a possibility, because it's so expensive it might not be top three popularity and it's certainly effective.
Egg druid is possible for best winrate. It's like zoo on steroids now.
That and vicious syndicate can't create a feedback loop in wild like they do in standard because of that lack of data.
I feel like a reno deck is too hard to pilot to be highest winrate deck.
not really. It mostly runs removal and great deathrattle minions, with N'Zoth beeing the main win condition.
Shaman is still popular enough.
Top 3 played classes are probably Shaman, Warrior and maybe Warlock (people play Zoo there too). Highest winrate class might be Mage or even Hunter to be honest. Tempo Mage, Freeze Mage, Control Mage are still good in Wild. Aggro Hunter and Midrange Hunter has been a mainstay of Wild for quite some time.
At one time Priest and Paladin were in the top 3 classes. They are still good. Rogue probably still up there and Egg Druid as stated is kinda nuts. No class has a weak deck they can use in Wild because they have access to all their powerful cards. I think Druid is probably the class at the bottom in Wild.
Yeah Aggro Hunter is freaking NUTS in Wild with Glaivezooka and the Pirates. ZealousD posted his a few pages back and it did some work for me this season. I have a more mid-rangey version that I used before and it was pretty good as well. N'Zoth is still a sizable presence in games that go to turn 10, but since aggro is so strong don't expect to make it there most of the time (Just like Standard in that way).
The stuff like Secret Paladin and Mech Mage that you would think are good are also good, but not nearly as good as stuff that incorporates the best newer cards AND the busted old stuff. But as said by others there is not so much exposure to the Wild meta so decks at the lower ranks tend to be unoptimized and consequently you can often do very well with any strong standard meta deck. The higher ranks of course will be much tougher if you don't do some work on your deck.
Oh no doubt. I was just saying the "traditional" lists for those decks aren't going to be top tier anymore without incorporating the busted new stuff. Clearly, Patches with Minibot, Coghammer and Muster is gonna be murder machine.
I don't like about how they talking burst damage is bad, yeah its can contribute to how crazy aggro/tempo deck can be, but without burst damage good combo deck can't exist either.
I rather not seeing statpadded low mana minion but burst exist, so the aggro deck will just like old school face hunter..
Current aggro deck have both of burst and STAT padded minion, that's the problem now they think burst is bad but stat pad minion is ok.
Firebat is right, they only want us to play midrange curve deck, that's the goal.
I rather not seeing statpadded low mana minion but burst exist, so the aggro deck will just like old school face hunter..
Current aggro deck have both of burst and STAT padded minion, that's the problem now they think burst is bad but stat pad minion is ok.
Firebat is right, they only want us to play midrange curve deck, that's the goal.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I'm not worried if they control some of the burst coming into the game, in part because they have held back healing as well.
I don't buy that they want everyone to play midrange decks. I do buy that they want midrange to be viable. They also want combo to be viable too, except they want it to be more interactive. Once emperor is gone, we'll already see a lot of combo potential drop from standard. This is not necessarily a bad thing nor do I think it means combo is dead.
I don't buy that they want everyone to play midrange decks. I do buy that they want midrange to be viable. They also want combo to be viable too, except they want it to be more interactive. Once emperor is gone, we'll already see a lot of combo potential drop from standard. This is not necessarily a bad thing nor do I think it means combo is dead.
That used to be a super standard deck list. Wild was slower than Standard due to the deathrattles kinda slowing the game down and Nzoth was in every deck. Ragnaros is just a scumbag finisher for Secret Paladin.
And the type of combos that Blizzard wants in the game are stuff like Patron Giants Warrior deck. They want people to get massive advantage through combos (either sheer value or on board presence/tempo), not kill you in one turn. I have been saying that since forever... what the community considers as combo is different from the type of combo that Blizzard wants.
Firebat is also incorrect in saying that Blizzard only wants Midrange curve decks based on those nerfs/rotations. Sylvanas/Ragnaros/Azure Drake are big inclusions in midrange/curve decks, they are the primary finishers of those kinds of decks. Those 3 cards have been playing in Midrange curve decks in HS since the dawn of Hearthstone and it's a good thing those are being moved out so that the midrange decks could play something other than those cards. Think back to stuff like Midrange Druid... that deck included all 3 of those cards in the deck.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Ya, pretty standard but I preferred running lightlord to improve some of the aggressive matchups like 8 mana CotW hunters.
NZoth made wild super slow and greedy for a couple months. Priest was the worst.
NZoth made wild super slow and greedy for a couple months. Priest was the worst.
I feel like nzoth priest was more of a grinder/delay deck than full on greed more often than not, though stalagg and feugen being in any deck is a sign of uncontrollable greed.
As long as it's not fatigue. Play as many big minions as you want, but if you're going to stop me from playing my cards you can probably just die in a fire and the world would be better off.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Priest was the worst because it'd depend so much on your win cons to win with. Double Entomb and some even ran MC, different kind of greed.
The lack of talk about aggro in the Q&A was disappointing and it's not like people weren't asking questions, they certainly were.
Blizzard seems concerned that after every 3 months the meta gets stale (which is correct, they should be concerned and figuring out ways to solve that problem) but they don't seem to be concerned by the fact that a vast majority of metas end up with aggro decks getting polished/refined and then coming to the top.
There isn't a whole lot of interactivity going around when it comes to playing against aggro.
Blizzard seems concerned that after every 3 months the meta gets stale (which is correct, they should be concerned and figuring out ways to solve that problem) but they don't seem to be concerned by the fact that a vast majority of metas end up with aggro decks getting polished/refined and then coming to the top.
There isn't a whole lot of interactivity going around when it comes to playing against aggro.
Stealth simply can not be good, they just removed conceal themselves because it feels bad. Now they want to add good stealth cards? Of course not. We already saw what they mean by that in gadgetzan cards. Terrible unplayble cards that don't make any sense in rogue. Who wants to play against a deck where like every other minion has stealth and you can't do anything with? It's just horrible design.
Deathrattle? this won't be a thing either, they're not printing any taunts or heals (and repeated here that they won't) so you just die to control decks even, it's already tried.
So what this means is that more trash class cards are incoming that won't be played beyond rank 20. Considering that new rogue hero is easiest one to get and everyone will have it, I guess they want the class to be the rank 20 popular pick to counter all thepriests in those ranks! lol.
Re: gadgetzan, they actually talked about it last year that how they like people use it, is to draw lots of minions with it and play them rather just kill the opponent. It was in IGN interview after old gods and Mike Donais even linked to a N'Zoth rogue deck by Orange that did just that. That's exactly what they're going to do and why Auctioneer isn't removed. Maybe that gets some support, it's a fun deck but yeah you just die before you can play your n'zoth and shadow step it...
Mobius and pet octopus
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We all know conceal was removed because of auctioneer + conceal being too good. I don't think that means stealth is a bad mechanic overall but certainly having conceal around forever limits their ability to produce other cards that giving stealth to for a single round could be considered too good.
I don't think they just plan to rotate cards because they think the card is too good either.
I don't think they just plan to rotate cards because they think the card is too good either.
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