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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
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Shamans won't be any weaker since nothing rotates out, it just depends on how strong the new decks will be and on how well they can deal with them.
judging from all the new cards seen so far I'm betting on Priest. I really want to be wrong though because fuckpriest.
Yeah that what i mean, good Shaman cards dont really matter meanwhile Midrange Shaman is S Tier.
Apparently Blizzy's plan is to wait 'til next year rotation to balance it out.
Professor Lich
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Just playing to get to Rank 20 so I don't miss out on the card back and I was graced with a very beautiful combo.
Feel bad for the guy though, I think his game broke, or he was a bot. After one of my turns he just kept highlighting random minions but not doing anything.
Feel bad for the guy though, I think his game broke, or he was a bot. After one of my turns he just kept highlighting random minions but not doing anything.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Kind of expensive for it's own stats, but I think it'll be fine to run. 6 health on a taunt isn't bad and you're only paying 1-2 for the jade golem, which could be 4/4 or higher at that point.
Yeah, Pretty sure Jade Druid is going to be a force to reckon with.
Seemed inevitable. A minion that protects the Jade Golem you summon.
Works with the 6-Health Draw 2 card, Fight Promoter. If Jade Idol is your Engine, Behemoth is your Finisher.
If you get a 3/3 from Jade Behemoth it's comparable to Faceless Summoner. It seems like it puts more value into the Jade Golem than the other Jade Golem cards, but that might make sense as it comes later in the game?
Hmm, I'm not sure if it coming later in the game justifies the higher cost for the effect.
BananasWithGuns
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Jade Behemoth feels a little understatted but I guess it's hard to know for sure until we see all the cards.
Probably doesn't help that Aya Blackpaw is in the same mana slot.
Probably doesn't help that Aya Blackpaw is in the same mana slot.
It'll depend a lot on what the final deck looks like, I think. How easy is it to curve with your Jade Golems?
I'm just going to pretend from now on that the theme is Jello and not Jade. Look at that Jello Behemoth.
nah
4 mana 3/6 taunt is pretty good. this takes 2 more mana to summon a jade golem on top. It pushes it back and makes the body less valuable but manawise it works out.
The Jade Golem hasn't been evaluated at 2 mana with the other cards. It's been evaluated closer to 1 mana. That's why the concern might be that it's a little understatted, because this card puts more value into the Jade Golem than the other cards have. With the exception of Jade Spirit.
BananasWithGuns
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This is where it's very iffy for Druid at the moment in my opinion.
They only have one card left to reveal and it seems like there's a bit of a gap in terms of generating Golems in the early game. There's Jade Blossom but after that, not much else unless you want want to burn your Jade Idols. The deck is probably going to be forced into running Jade Spirit and I'm not particularly sold on that card. Even more so when you'd want to ramp past the 4 mana slot with Jade Blossom.
Jade Blossom is kind of an awkward card right now. It doesn't curve naturally into Jade Spirit nor does it curve into Jade Behemoth. If Druid has some kind of Jade Golem card at 5 mana then we might have a deck.
Awww yes more cards to get hit with Shadow Word: Pain. But for real this card is very on the edge, I think. It's quite close to being awesome but Druid really needs like 1 more solid Golem producer minion to make this deck stable. With Jade Blossom and Jade Sprit being costed in such a way that it seems like they want you to still run Wild Growth, I dunno where you slot this guy in. The cost and stats just seems a bit awkward atm. Then again pull this thing with Lunar Visions and you are beyond happy.
I mean, Druid could just play another 5 drop, like Druid of the Claw
Mobius and pet octopus
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Jade decks look like they'll be largely midrange decks or control. At least so far.
Druid seems to be ramp oriented.
Rogue seems to be n'zoth oriented.
Shaman seems to be midrange/control oriented, although I guess 4 damage to face plus a minion could be played in aggro.
Of course I am not saying these are strict at all. Just what I am feeling might be the best archetypes at the moment.
Druid seems to be ramp oriented.
Rogue seems to be n'zoth oriented.
Shaman seems to be midrange/control oriented, although I guess 4 damage to face plus a minion could be played in aggro.
Of course I am not saying these are strict at all. Just what I am feeling might be the best archetypes at the moment.
BananasWithGuns
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I guess in theory Druid could build more defensive with a lot of draw and just rely on Jade Idol spam to generate a ton of value late rather than trying to build them up in the first half of the game.
Like, maybe you don't even run anything outside of Jade Idol and Aya Blackpaw lol.
Like, maybe you don't even run anything outside of Jade Idol and Aya Blackpaw lol.
Karsticles
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I think a lot of it is the time of day you play. In my experience, Sunday mornings have the scrubbiest players you can imagine. My first few months were Sunday morning ladder grinds to hit rank 5.
We all have that moment. Most misleading card art in the game!
Time of day ABSOLUTELY plays a role. I haven't discerned when exactly is a great time, but maybe I should try Sunday morning.
I used to have my best winrates first thing in the morning, presumably because I was facing people who were playing on the phone while they commute. Now early morning is hyper-competitive, which I am theorizing is because I'm facing people from other regions who are probably already legend on their home region.
Now my easiest games are during lunch. I was 5-0 today, and one of my opponents was a hunter who coined Freezing Trap on turn one. VS ZOO.
Now my easiest games are during lunch. I was 5-0 today, and one of my opponents was a hunter who coined Freezing Trap on turn one. VS ZOO.
yeah I don't think these are fair assessments at all. jade spirit is more indicative of how it's valued stat for stat
Princess Carl
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I dont understand this post.
got home early from work was looking forward to playing some more but then wife/kids wanted to go to some bouncy gym. just getting home and tired. #WillNeverBeLegend
For me its more bout best time of month. Middle of month is that super sweet spot.
Weekends can be rough. Weekdays are chill (mornings / lunch breaks)
For me its more bout best time of month. Middle of month is that super sweet spot.
Weekends can be rough. Weekdays are chill (mornings / lunch breaks)
Mobius and pet octopus
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Jade golem isn't just a body, it's a body and +1/+1 for your next golem. I think it's very fair to evaluate jade golem text as around 2 mana, maybe slightly less.
Jade behemoth that summons a 5/5, is a 3/6 taunt (5 mana) + 5/5 (4.5 mana) so 9.5 mana card for 6 not accounting for the buff of the next golem.
At 4 it values at 8.5. At 3 it's 7.5. At 2 it's 6.5. At 1 it's 5.5. It's only the first buff that doesn't meet the 6 cost.
And probably a good play once it's around 3/3. I think a 3/6 that summons a 3/3 is comparable to highmane in terms of pure value. Highmane edges out by .5 mana though. But I think it does get better than highmane at 4/4. It of course doesn't trade well with highmane... but I'm just looking at pure value.
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Let's do the same math for rogue's shuriken. 2 damage = 1 mana.
1- 1.5 mana value = bad
2- 2.5 = good, but weaker than eviscerate (there is no 2 mana minion that deals 2 directed damage)
3- 3.5 = better than eviscerate
4- 4.5 = insane at this point?
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jade spirit, 2/3 summon a jade golem. 2/3 = 2 mana.
2/3 + 1/1 - 3 mana value = terrible
2/3 + 2/2 - 4 mana value = acceptable
2/3 + 3/3 - 5 mana value
2/3 + 4/4 - 6 mana value
Jade spirit seems pretty meh by these stats. But I think it's actually okay because of the buff it gives to your next jade golem. A 2/3 + 2/2 is inferior to yeti, but a 2/3 + 2/2 that buffs your next golem by +1/+1? It's probably better than yeti if you look at it that way.
Jade behemoth that summons a 5/5, is a 3/6 taunt (5 mana) + 5/5 (4.5 mana) so 9.5 mana card for 6 not accounting for the buff of the next golem.
At 4 it values at 8.5. At 3 it's 7.5. At 2 it's 6.5. At 1 it's 5.5. It's only the first buff that doesn't meet the 6 cost.
And probably a good play once it's around 3/3. I think a 3/6 that summons a 3/3 is comparable to highmane in terms of pure value. Highmane edges out by .5 mana though. But I think it does get better than highmane at 4/4. It of course doesn't trade well with highmane... but I'm just looking at pure value.
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Let's do the same math for rogue's shuriken. 2 damage = 1 mana.
1- 1.5 mana value = bad
2- 2.5 = good, but weaker than eviscerate (there is no 2 mana minion that deals 2 directed damage)
3- 3.5 = better than eviscerate
4- 4.5 = insane at this point?
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jade spirit, 2/3 summon a jade golem. 2/3 = 2 mana.
2/3 + 1/1 - 3 mana value = terrible
2/3 + 2/2 - 4 mana value = acceptable
2/3 + 3/3 - 5 mana value
2/3 + 4/4 - 6 mana value
Jade spirit seems pretty meh by these stats. But I think it's actually okay because of the buff it gives to your next jade golem. A 2/3 + 2/2 is inferior to yeti, but a 2/3 + 2/2 that buffs your next golem by +1/+1? It's probably better than yeti if you look at it that way.
i'm sorry what? what face decks are you talking about?
Because the Jade Golem cards are both the activators and activatees, there needs to be a surplus of them. The big reason why C'Thun decks can flourish is because of just how many card parts there are, all fulfilling different roles when needed. On top of that, C'thun itself isn't just a 6/6~ minion, it also has an effect. AND, on top of THAT, there are some Booster cards: those that benefit from having your C'Thun reach a minimum investment.
I feel like the Jade Golem cards are maybe trying to be all 3, with some trying to be 1 of those 3 roles slightly more. If you run out of ammunition, that's it, you're done. Where as if your C'Thun dies, you've still got cards like Twin Emps or Shieldbearer. Maybe if there was a card that did something powerful after reaching a certain # of Jade Golems summoned that wasn't simply summoning another one.
This is why Jade Idol is really the key piece, because of the endless potential. Use it to ramp or generate combo pieces. Like, I almost feel like it should be a Tri-Class card. Druids hit the lottery on this mechanic.
I feel like the Jade Golem cards are maybe trying to be all 3, with some trying to be 1 of those 3 roles slightly more. If you run out of ammunition, that's it, you're done. Where as if your C'Thun dies, you've still got cards like Twin Emps or Shieldbearer. Maybe if there was a card that did something powerful after reaching a certain # of Jade Golems summoned that wasn't simply summoning another one.
This is why Jade Idol is really the key piece, because of the endless potential. Use it to ramp or generate combo pieces. Like, I almost feel like it should be a Tri-Class card. Druids hit the lottery on this mechanic.
Lone_Prodigy
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Got really lucky in the Brawl and won on my first game. Just kept drawing damage spells so I pushed face and won. Mind Blast and Headcrack did work.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I got cat trick and effigy in my opener and effigy gave me blademaster
Mobius and pet octopus
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You're assuming jade golems is the only way the deck wins. I don't even think it'll be the primary win condition for most of the successful decks.
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