I am pretty sure Rogue has a healing ability in WoW and I don't even play Warcraft.
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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
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Familienoberhauptvogel
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Killing a hunter on turn 5 with a turn 2 10/10 van cleef, feels like justice.
Leech poison (talent) + a short HoT on a long-ish cooldown. Enough to keep you going vs regular mobs but that's about it. Only slightly more than hunters and I don't see people clamouring for them to have a healing card.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I guess never rolling spell damage once in the shaman mirror was the price for that. Got him to 5 then had to watch him rip spell damage into aoe into more spell damage into aoe. Never got to attack again.
CelticKnight
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Been playing some Reno C'Thun Mage recently, and it's quite fun. It's a pretty hit-or-miss deck but I'm enjoying it which makes a change. Usually I'm pretty screwed if I don't draw Reno/Ice Block but C'Thun helps to either buy me some time or win outright.
As an aside, I played a Cabalist's Tome my last game and got another Tome, and when I cast that Tome I got another two Tomes. Dat "I heard you liked Tomes..." value.
As an aside, I played a Cabalist's Tome my last game and got another Tome, and when I cast that Tome I got another two Tomes. Dat "I heard you liked Tomes..." value.
Karsticles
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Technically every WoW class has First Aid. The game's first neutral spell...
Karsticles
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AFAIK, you can't even preorder the expansion with Amazon Coins this time.
Hey that's not true, I also like ridiculous OTKO decks.
I miss Charge
Edit: Haven't been digging the art for this set but Jinyu looks slick!
the problem with rogue in HS is that nothing strong is in their identity.
minions with good stats, nope? can't have that. No taunts either.
AoE? not anymore.
healing? nope.
So well, you know, rogue is DPS class, give more burst at least? No way.
here have some janky gimmicky random ideas that will never work instead like 9 mana minions that will never make sense or thistle tea lol. So what you have left is that people playing the same old stuff that is designed to hopefully close the game by turn 10 at most. I'm not seeing Jade rogue being good so far, it has the same problem as N'Zoth rogue, it seems strong but it's so slow at actually closing the game that you can get smorced by control decks even and lose if they know what they're doing.
Hunter doesn't need healing because hunter is the aggressor in 95 percent of its games, you don't lose because of health, you lose because you run out of damage or cards. Even hunter has more AoE defensive options than rogue and hunter has aggressive taunts in houndmaster.
While rogues don't heal like paladins, they have ways to mitigate and evade damage. Maybe translate some of those into this game rather than junk that make no sense thematically in the class.
minions with good stats, nope? can't have that. No taunts either.
AoE? not anymore.
healing? nope.
So well, you know, rogue is DPS class, give more burst at least? No way.
here have some janky gimmicky random ideas that will never work instead like 9 mana minions that will never make sense or thistle tea lol. So what you have left is that people playing the same old stuff that is designed to hopefully close the game by turn 10 at most. I'm not seeing Jade rogue being good so far, it has the same problem as N'Zoth rogue, it seems strong but it's so slow at actually closing the game that you can get smorced by control decks even and lose if they know what they're doing.
Hunter doesn't need healing because hunter is the aggressor in 95 percent of its games, you don't lose because of health, you lose because you run out of damage or cards. Even hunter has more AoE defensive options than rogue and hunter has aggressive taunts in houndmaster.
While rogues don't heal like paladins, they have ways to mitigate and evade damage. Maybe translate some of those into this game rather than junk that make no sense thematically in the class.
The combo mechanic is pretty strong. Rogues should give very efficient results when they play multiple cards in a single turn. Backstab, Prep, Sap, Eviscerate, SI:7 Agent. These should be the sorts of cards that define their identity. Problem is that Blizzard has always struggled to balance these sorts of cards.
there is right now a deal for any account made before Nov 7th that haven't made any purchase on the appstore where you can buy 5000 ($50) in amazon coins for $25 which is fairy better than even the preorder.
The preorders of full expansions (not adventures) haven't been never on the client itself, they are rather on the blizzard website, so you can't buy those with amazon coins
I think there was also a coin back deal, but I'm completely sure on that one
Karsticles
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I think Blizzard had an amazing idea with Rogues when the game first launched. The Combo mechanic is interesting, fun, and provides a unique playstyle. Then, at some point, Blizzard decided that Rogue wasn't going to get many tempo cards anymore, it was going to get stuff like "stealing" even though Priests already had that (and WHY?).
As someone who liked playing Rogue a lot, I would love to see an expansion of the Combo mechanic. In World of Warcraft, you build Combo points until you unleash a Finisher. Adding Finisher cards that get boosted every time you activate Combo would be pretty interesting. Imagine a card that does 2 damage for 4 mana, but it gets +2 damage every time you activate a Combo. That would be an entire archetype in itself.
I get that not every class needs a control, aggro, midrange, etc. variant but I guess to me Rogue just feels way less flexible than any other class. I don't think it helps that it seems to be the main class without much of an identity at all.
Their main mechanic, combo, has been mostly ignored in expansions. I think the last 2 they got have been Bladed Cultist in old gods, and Shadowpan/Undercity Valiant in TGT. They've randomly messed with Mech Rogue, sorta tried Pirate Rogue, given cards that seem like Control/Value cards (Anubarak, Gallywix, Thistle Tea), tried to push Deathrattles, and now finally seem to have settled on 'burgle' which is a weird off shoot of many things Priest already does.
I think Counterfeit Coin is actually the first time they've directly acknoweledged and given Miracle something. Maaaaybe Pillager as well but he also fit the deathrattle theme.
Agreed with this. You can have damage mitigation that still hits thematically without outright being stats that heal you. Animated Armor will forever confuse me as that card seems designed for Rogue and was given to Mage.
Their main mechanic, combo, has been mostly ignored in expansions. I think the last 2 they got have been Bladed Cultist in old gods, and Shadowpan/Undercity Valiant in TGT. They've randomly messed with Mech Rogue, sorta tried Pirate Rogue, given cards that seem like Control/Value cards (Anubarak, Gallywix, Thistle Tea), tried to push Deathrattles, and now finally seem to have settled on 'burgle' which is a weird off shoot of many things Priest already does.
I think Counterfeit Coin is actually the first time they've directly acknoweledged and given Miracle something. Maaaaybe Pillager as well but he also fit the deathrattle theme.
Agreed with this. You can have damage mitigation that still hits thematically without outright being stats that heal you. Animated Armor will forever confuse me as that card seems designed for Rogue and was given to Mage.
slightconfuse
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Don't worry guys they will reveal the new weapons hey had to nerf blade flurry for.
Rogue needs a viable AOE or removal
Rogue needs a viable AOE or removal
It takes me longer to complete the combo meal quest then the 30 class cards quest most of the time due to how few there are. One the other hand this weeks tavern brawl let me play headcrack every turn and I have no idea why I never see that card. It's like a more annoying explorers hat in terms of not going away.
Also since I wasn't around for GvG how was sabotage? It looks super good and useful but I'm both bad at the game and don't play rogue so I can't evaluate.
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Reddit got me watching firebat's control warrior heroic tavern brawl run. He actually makes warrior look fun and I must say watching him come back at one point from 10 health and no armour vs a 30 life opponent was equal parts awe inspiring and infuriating.
Also since I wasn't around for GvG how was sabotage? It looks super good and useful but I'm both bad at the game and don't play rogue so I can't evaluate.
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Reddit got me watching firebat's control warrior heroic tavern brawl run. He actually makes warrior look fun and I must say watching him come back at one point from 10 health and no armour vs a 30 life opponent was equal parts awe inspiring and infuriating.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Sabotage was okay. It was good in some match ups but weaker in more. If dr. boom wasn't so popular, and if a few less deathrattles were ran, sabotage would have been much more popular.
Lone_Prodigy
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Renounce Darkness into Warrior.
Plays Reno, activates.
Plays Varian next turn, puts another Varian on the board.
Haha.
Plays Reno, activates.
Plays Varian next turn, puts another Varian on the board.
Haha.
I think they want to do this closer to the beginning of the week so that their engineers can monitor the servers. Probably December 6.
Also Dahbomb and I need a couple days to do our streams once they do the final dump, lol.
Old Gods was a Thursday stream
Ironically enough, Animated Armor was originally going to be neutral but they realized the interaction with the pre-nerf Master of Disguise would be potentially game breaking.
Mobius and pet octopus
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They misspelled bigly
Officerrob
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No idea what Reynad was thinking with that Rag play
The cards looks a bit underwhleming, unless the other shaman jade cards are crazy.
Battlecry: Summon a Jade Golem. Give it Taunt.
BananasWithGuns
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At 7 mana...ehhh, I don't know. Depends on the other Jade Golem cards Shaman gets.
slightconfuse
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Jade golem cards plus Brann will be crazy good
Mobius and pet octopus
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Seems okay... 5/5 is worth 4.5. So to meet 7 mana worth of value you need at least a 3/3. 2/2 with taunt is like a bad war golem.
This should be met most of the time. I think it's one of the more underwhelming jade golem cards.
This should be met most of the time. I think it's one of the more underwhelming jade golem cards.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think veklor is a bit overrated. But yeah I think at 5/5 it's about as good as veklor. Which is still pretty good. But dies to dragonfire potion, so perhaps a lot worse in the potential upcoming meta.
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