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[BananasWithGuns]

I love the card personally. It's appropriately costed, impactful and resilient.

I think it will see a good amount of play.

And yeah, the art is amazing. I'll probably craft two golden ones because why not.

 

[Yaboosh]

Kind of wish it was taunt for an extra mana.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

It's not bad. And suddenly midrange has a viable heal. Thanks bliz.

 

[Dahbomb]

To put into perspective, this is actually more efficient than Darkshire Alchemist which is a card that Priests play despite having access to so much heals.

 

[Pooya]

I'm excited for that shaman weapon on the site, Jade Claws. 1 mana 1/3 has plus 2 attack while you have a Jade Golem. that would be fun.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

If it a neutral 5 mana minion it would be healbot 2.0. Dunno why they gave shaman such a strong heal attached to a body. Maybe control runs it once healing wave is gone, plus they have hallazeal which basically is reno levels of healing in their deck. Seems like a midrange minion through and through for now. If it were neutral, I think people would be rampant right now.

Although, maybe control does run it since it's that good.

 

[Drkirby]

If it a neutral 5 mana minion it would be healbot 2.0. Dunno why they gave shaman such a strong heal attached to a body. Maybe control runs it once healing wave is gone, plus they have hallazeal which basically is reno levels of healing in their deck. Seems like a midrange minion through and through for now. If it were neutral, I think people would be rampant right now.

Although, maybe control does run it since it's that good.

Likely made because no one plays the straight up heal card they printed for the class.

 

[Karsticles]

That new Shaman card is pretty solid. I actually wonder if I might put it in Midrange Shaman just so you can wait longer for optimal AoE and such. What would I remove, though?

Lol, every class gonna get heals except Rogue

Earthen Farseer lol.

 

[squidyj]

problem is there's not a lot in the way of jade golem shaman cards

 

[thepotatoman]

It's not bad. And suddenly midrange has a viable heal. Thanks bliz.

Yay, now midrange shaman has an amazing way to counter freeze mage, the only midrange counter. Thanks Blizzard!

 

[fertygo]

Yay, now midrange shaman has an amazing way to counter freeze mage, the only midrange counter. Thanks Blizzard!

Gaara said the true shaman counter is renolock and dragon priest, both also gonna significantly buffed.

 

[slightconfuse]

That shaman card is pretty good.

 

[Dahbomb]

This isn't going to counter Freeze Mage. Classes and decks with far better heal still lose to FM.

Gaara said the true shaman counter is renolock and dragon priest, both also gonna significantly buffed.

No it's not. People have forgotten how the Lock vs Midrange Shaman match up used to go. Midrange Shaman used to win that match up when Shaman was the worst class in the game.

Things might be different in MSG but Slow Lock has never been favored against Midrange Shaman.

 

[ZealousD]

No it's not. People have forgotten how the Lock vs Midrange Shaman match up used to go. Midrange Shaman used to win that match up when Shaman was the worst class in the game.

Things might be different in MSG but Slow Lock has never been favored against Midrange Shaman.

Weren't those the days of Double Hex and Double Earth Shock? That's why Handlock always got crushed by Midrange Shaman in the past.

 

[fertygo]

No it's not. People have forgotten how the Lock vs Midrange Shaman match up used to go. Midrange Shaman used to win that match up when Shaman was the worst class in the game.

Things might be different in MSG but Slow Lock has never been favored against Midrange Shaman.

Well dude #1 legend or something with mid-shaman at october and his tracker said worst matchup is renolock and dragon priest

I believe him, its not favored or something but that matchup only lopsided to mid-shaman if they can drop 2 0 mana 5/5 at same turn, and soon there's more flexible AoE answer for that.

 

[Dahbomb]

Weren't those the days of Double Hex and Double Earth Shock? That's why Handlock always got crushed by Midrange Shaman in the past.

Bloodlust too. Shaman got a few totems to stick then finish the Lock with it because Lock was always low on HP from tapping. Back in the day Shaman ran the double Bloodlust list against Locks.

If Renolock is this ever present threat then Shamans are going to tech in one Earth Shock for the Drake/taunts, one Bloodlust and call it a day. Thunderbluff Valiant are hard to remove as well, out of range of even the new Felfire Potion.

 

[BananasWithGuns]

If Reno decks, especially Renolock, end up being super popular then midrange Shaman can get quite a bit slower/greedier to swing the matchups in their favor.

It's actually what I expect to happen to be honest.

 

[Dahbomb]

If Reno decks, especially Renolock, end up being super popular then midrange Shaman can get quite a bit slower/greedier to swing the matchups in their favor.

It's actually what I expect to happen to be honest.

Yup that's exactly right. Midrange Shamans don't need to tech against Dragon Priest and Renolock because they don't have to. It's such a small percentage of the meta and they are seeing some uptick right now because people are expecting those decks to be buffed soon.

Midrange Shaman can probably throw in an Elemental Destruction against Dragon Priest in MSG and demolish them too. Dragon Priest plays very poorly off the board.

 

[ZealousD]

Bloodlust too. Shaman got a few totems to stick then finish the Lock with it because Lock was always low on HP from tapping. Back in the day Shaman ran the double Bloodlust list against Locks.

If Renolock is this ever present threat then Shamans are going to tech in one Earth Shock for the Drake/taunts, one Bloodlust and call it a day. Thunderbluff Valiant are hard to remove as well, out of range of even the new Felfire Potion.

Well, Renolock will have access to Abyssal Enforcer at least. That's one more target that Shamans have to worry about hexing and it'll clear their totems to boot.

 

[Szadek]

The new shaman card is very good, as in midrange shaman might play this card.
Most people seems to overlock at this cards heal whaetever you want and not just your hero,which can make this card a very good tempo play by saving say a 3/1 Totem Golem.

Btw, Priest will probably never get broken healing spells, because anti heal is a thing.
At this point, it's more a burden than anything else.

This isn't going to counter Freeze Mage. Classes and decks with far better heal still lose to FM.


No it's not. People have forgotten how the Lock vs Midrange Shaman match up used to go. Midrange Shaman used to win that match up when Shaman was the worst class in the game.

Things might be different in MSG but Slow Lock has never been favored against Midrange Shaman.

I'm not sure about Renolock, but classic handlock wasn't a great match up back in the day, more like about equal.
Sure, you have 2x hex and 2x earthshock, but the have 2 drakes ,4 giants and 4 board clears.

Control Warrior was secretly the best match up by far, as in 80-90% at some points if you knew what you were doing.

 

[Shinypogs]

Fuck shaman, I can't even get away from it while completing quests in casual. Although I did see a murloc shaman that killed me by turn five so that was something new.

At this rate I feel like I'm going to have to shell out money for blackrock mountain just so that I can also play a dragon deck for the next 4 months and not get run over by them. I don't think their broken or anything but it's frustrating to run into them so often and not have a really good response for them with the type of decks I play. I know I need to diversify what I play, as well as just get better in general so the old " If you can't beat em join em" thing feels tempting.

 

[fertygo]

You thought so but mid-shamy is one of the most boring deck to pilot

 

[Xanathus]

The fact that Jinyu has overload is just screaming that they want you to play this in a control shaman deck with Lava Shock. I'm curious to see if Control Shaman could become tier 1 after this expansion especially if other decks like Renolock or Dragon Priest become more popular and tech their decks to counter Mid Shaman.

 

[zoukka]

This is where it's very iffy for Druid at the moment in my opinion.

They only have one card left to reveal and it seems like there's a bit of a gap in terms of generating Golems in the early game. There's Jade Blossom but after that, not much else unless you want want to burn your Jade Idols. The deck is probably going to be forced into running Jade Spirit and I'm not particularly sold on that card. Even more so when you'd want to ramp past the 4 mana slot with Jade Blossom.

All jade decks are forced to run some of the less powerful jade cards to be consistent.

 

[fertygo]

Jade Idol already made druid have much more lax requirement to run jade dèck than other 2 class tbh

 

[Xanathus]

I wonder if they'll also have cards that synergize by having Jade Golems on board, or having summoned X number of Jade Golems in the game. If not then I feel the mechanic would still be somewhat underpowered, like imagine the C'thun mechanic without Veklor.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

TerrenceM vs Firebat first match on Dreamhack hey it was nice having twitch chat enabled for 10 seconds.

 

[rahji]

It seems I cannot win in this fuckin brawl. lost 3 times in a row because of insane luck from my opponents.

 

[fertygo]

Wtf firebat doing

 

[danowat]

I am about to craft my first legendary, out of Ragnaros the firelord and archmage antonidas, what is likely to be the best bang for buck for a mage deck?

 

[Ikkarus]

I am about to craft my first legendary, out of Ragnaros the firelord and archmage antonidas, what is likely to be the best bang for buck for a mage deck?

Rag. He's much more versatile in my opinion.

Antonidas is really good but most Mage decks would opt for Rag over him.

 

[danowat]

Rag. He's much more versatile in my opinion.

Antonidas is really good but most Mage decks would opt for Rag over him.

Thanks!

 

[Ikkarus]

Thanks!

Not a problem.

Enjoy using him!

 

[pixelish]

I am about to craft my first legendary, out of Ragnaros the firelord and archmage antonidas, what is likely to be the best bang for buck for a mage deck?

why don't you wait till mean streets is out?

 

[V-Faction]

Pinpingho reveal.

Jinyu artwork for the Shaman. Of course, of course!

That is nice because Shaman were going to lose a significant piece of their kit when Healing Wave rotated out. Hallazeal can still heal your hero for a huge chunk, but things like Ancestral Healing would be a little awkward to act as a replacement. Now, Jinyu + Hozen Healer can make up a large gap in healing.

It plays very nice with Unbound Elemental (which you buff AND heal as the same time), Thing From Below (full heal), Earth Elemental, Bog Creeper, and Soggoth (Battlecry healing, which HW couldn't touch). So pretty much Control Shaman.

I suspect Shaman's next minion will be Jade Golem related. 50/50 seems to be the trend.

AND ANOTHER 4-MANA CARD. Shammies are the kings of four!

 

[Fersis]

Like for real, Paladin has heal for days, Shaman gets more heal, Warrior has Armor... what about Rogue?

Spoiler

I dont care about Hunter

 

[fertygo]

They do need Heal but why the hell an Rogue can heal?

 

[Ikkarus]

They do need Heal but why the hell an Rogue can heal?

Like for real, Paladin has heal for days, Shaman gets more heal, Warrior has Armor... what about Rogue?

Spoiler

I dont care about Hunter

I love rogue but Blizz seems determined to not give the class heal. :/

 

[Xanathus]

Is that really Lifecoach's wife playing in Dreamhack right now?
edit: it is

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Is that really Lifecoach's wife playing in Dreamhack right now?

Yes it really is. Kicking ass and taking names also uses less ropes.

 

[ZealousD]

Healing isn't thematic for Rogue, and each class should have some sort of weakness.

 

[Fersis]

Is that really Lifecoach's wife playing in Dreamhack right now?
edit: it is

Dang, wifecoach

Healing isn't thematic for Rogue, and each class should have some sort of weakness.

Agreed ... but:
- Rogue has no good weapons
- It's one good weapon based card got nerfed to oblivion
- You get damaged by using your hero power

So right now there's no reason to use Weapons which are one of Rogues themes.

 

[Xanathus]

And she's about to 3-0 Maverick EleGiggle.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Germans beating the French into submission haven't seen that before.

 

[Finalow]

Pinpingho reveal.

that seems like a very solid card, both for control and midrange.

the art is really nice too.

 

[Szadek]

Healing isn't thematic for Rogue, and each class should have some sort of weakness.

Well, they could give rogues a card that steals healing items or whatever, and rogues have enough weaknesses right now ( no aoe, no healing, no good weapons,etc).

 

[Atuin]

I'm just going to pretend from now on that the theme is Jello and not Jade. Look at that Jello Behemoth.

Can't unsee.

 

[patchday]

new shaman card looks tight for Control Shaman will be good replacement for healing wave when that rotates out as well

 

[Papercuts]

The unfortunate thing with Rogue is that they already have no actual board clears which is already a large weakness, no healing on top just means a control variant is doomed to fail. When you mix that with Hunter having a history of either being dominant or atleast pretty good...rip.

 

[ZealousD]

I am perfectly fine with the idea that not every class should have a viable archetype for aggro, midrange, and control. You never intended to play the long game with Rogue in WoW. They snuck up behind you, burst the hell out of you, killed you, and got out. That doesn't mean that Face Rogue should necessarily be a thing but Tempo/Combo represents that well and Control does not.

Rogue does need better weapons. I certainly won't dispute that. Give them a straight up 2 mana 2/3 or something.