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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
- Thread starter ZealousD
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Frandral plus jade idol is amazing.
i don't think jade golem will be strong on its own but combined with something like maly druid it could be great because you can generate more threats.
Jade golems + arcane giants is going to be hard to deal with
i don't think jade golem will be strong on its own but combined with something like maly druid it could be great because you can generate more threats.
Jade golems + arcane giants is going to be hard to deal with
Consider how much worse Babbling Book would be if there was no 1/1 body attached. Consider how much more powerful Possessed Villager is over Wisp.
Now, add that difference to the first pirate you play every game.
Every little advantage you can get in the early game matters.
Put it another way...
Imagine if you played Hunter and every time you played a minion/beast at the start it came with Stonetusk Boar for free and thinned your deck.
Play Alley Cat, get 3 1/1s with Beast tag on board and one of them has charge to hit for 1 attack.
Sounds broken? Why yes it is.
Imagine if you played Hunter and every time you played a minion/beast at the start it came with Stonetusk Boar for free and thinned your deck.
Play Alley Cat, get 3 1/1s with Beast tag on board and one of them has charge to hit for 1 attack.
Sounds broken? Why yes it is.
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Banned
patches should be solid in rouge. swashbuckler and even bloodsail activate it so you can save your cold blodds for extra burst if you need it.
It's broken if it happens every time you play a beast.
It's strong if it happens once.
Agreed, that card is pretty slow.
It's broken if it only happens once.
You're a Warrior and you play N'Zoth's First Mate.
You just played a 1 mana Muster for Battle minus a 1/1 and a single weapon charge.
This is what I've settled on for the 5-point rating scale for our community card rating. I believe it is similar to the scale that ZealousD and Dahbomb are using in their reviews.
I've decided to make the rating constructed only since Arena is a different beast. Most people here are constructed-only players anyway. If we want to rate these cards in Arena, we could do a separate spreadsheet.
Thoughts? Changes?
I've decided to make the rating constructed only since Arena is a different beast. Most people here are constructed-only players anyway. If we want to rate these cards in Arena, we could do a separate spreadsheet.
Thoughts? Changes?
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Banned
speaken of somehwat broken
going to be some great salt when it pulls a rag out
going to be some great salt when it pulls a rag out
We generally have 3 as an average card (ie. playable but not that great or garbage). 3 is also the "tech card and very good in Arena' category. This is generally a card that is right on the power curve in terms of mathematics even if it sees no constructed play.
2 is below average card even when looking at it mathematically. Fringe playability.
1 is garbage tier.
Acerac
Banned
He's a 5/5 taunt for 5 mana with no immediate effect. I don't think that is too unreasonable a prediction.
slightconfuse
Banned
is Kripp going to spend $700 dollars on packs again. it was hilarious last time
slightconfuse
Banned
damn kripp living that stream life
We talked about this when it was revealed, but here's my take. No one should ever be playing Dirty Rat on curve. The card is anti-aggro tech, so you can play it against say.. Pirate Warror/Rogue and not feel bad because chances are it summons some weak minion and who cares you got a sweet taunt. So it's fine against aggro that really don't run anything over like 5 mana anyhow. This is the ideal play. You also can be pretty happy that you can dodge things like Barnes' battlecry and whatnot. Not so bad overall.
Against any other deck though (Midrange or Control), you have to be very careful with it and save it till late game most likely. You can use it to force out their threats (like Rag, Totem buff guy, Tirion, etc) on turns when you have the ability to remove them. So you take their big guy from their hand and immediately kill it (SW
, Polymorph, whathaveyou). A great tempo swing for you, and you remove a big threat for them.So those are the ideal plays, but if you get the wrong read on a deck in the first turn ort two and play it vs a midrange deck that has late game minions or any deck that happened to draw on curve, you have a chance of just losing the game immediately to it pulling something like Ragnaros on turn 2. The chance just isn't worth it, so I think you never play this card on turn 2. You play it on 3-4 or late game after you know what you are dealing with.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I wonder if that 1/2 1 mana pirate gets used outside of pirate decks in rogue. Perhaps not miracle but tempo, since it contests 1/3 1 drops people use whenever possible.
Yeah, gutshot I think your appraisal of our scale is more optimistic than the way we were using it.
A 3 is average by the standard of the entire card pool. A 3 might see some constructed play but it also might see no play at all. Something like Chillwind Yeti is a 3 but sees no Constructed play right now, except in decks that are not optimized (newbie decks).
The difference between a 1 and a 2 is like the difference between Ice Rager and Magma Rager. Ice Rager will never see Constructed play but it's not garbage.
OK, I will adjust it a bit to reflect that. Thanks!
I think Evil Heckler and Mechanical Yeti are also 3's. Remember, 3 is intended to be the most common rating so it makes sense that some cards will be slightly above curve and others will be slightly below.
And he's going to break the record for concurrent Twitch views and make 50x that in revenue, and then he's going to write the money he spent off on his taxes as a business expense.
And I'm not criticizing, I'll be watching while he does it. Just pointing out that the EV for him of opening packs isn't the same as the rest of us.
I think the card is actually fine on curve most of the time, because most decks mulligan away their expensive cards at the start
yeah, occasionally you get blown the fuck out, but on average it should be fine
Mobius and pet octopus
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Warrior clearly. They're already running a pretty strong set of cards. Add the fiery imp + patches to the deck and it can easily become insane.
It's a perfect example of why strong neutral heals are necessary.
Plenty of healing or aggressive board control will be required to even stand a chance against pirate in the coming days.
It's a perfect example of why strong neutral heals are necessary.
Plenty of healing or aggressive board control will be required to even stand a chance against pirate in the coming days.
Depends on Warrior vs Rogue but in general:
Dread Corsair
Bloodsail Raider
Southsea Deckhand
Those are the nuetrals you will want to run along with Patches and Small-time.
Warriors add: Bloodsail Cultist & N'Zoth's First Mate
Rogues add: Swashburgler & probably Buccaneer
Then whatever other aggro cards you can find.
with all these buffs I have the feeling Harrison will increase its play as much as Malygos did after Kharazan
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
been there had that happen to me.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Do we know yet if darkshire steward buffs 1 hp minions that have been hand buffed to 2?
Vicious Syndicate has actually put up a poll for people to vote on card strength. They are also using 1-5 scale.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1...uK6mPmF-DtVDhbCCywEiIvKoY6F8gDw/viewanalytics
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14TMy23niOXBSVOzvA-wUZfp5pC0ZlaobumpFjD34EoY/
As far as I can tell these are the cards they rated as 5 in the majority:
Pat Rack
Raza
Kazakus
Jade Idol
Drakonid Operator
Dragonfire Potion
Aya Blackpaw
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1...uK6mPmF-DtVDhbCCywEiIvKoY6F8gDw/viewanalytics
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14TMy23niOXBSVOzvA-wUZfp5pC0ZlaobumpFjD34EoY/
As far as I can tell these are the cards they rated as 5 in the majority:
Pat Rack
Raza
Kazakus
Jade Idol
Drakonid Operator
Dragonfire Potion
Aya Blackpaw
Mobius and pet octopus
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BananasWithGuns
Member
So are they not patching in MSG until Thursday? Figured they would have done that today.
This looks a little better than the ratings on Hearthpwn, not as crazy on ratings on cards like Devolve or Pint-Sized Potion, but still looks to have some issues with emotional bias. Gadgetzan Ferryman is hardly a 1/5.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
lmao @ "pat rack"
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Tavern brawl says closed for renovations... not we'll be back soon.
It's weaker than a card that hardly sees any play. If you add in the fact that it's rogue only, it's weaker than a card that sees no play in rogue. The survey needs a 0 choice.
Despite that, I still kinda like the card.
It's weaker than a card that hardly sees any play. If you add in the fact that it's rogue only, it's weaker than a card that sees no play in rogue. The survey needs a 0 choice.
Despite that, I still kinda like the card.
Well, Brawls always go up on Wednesdays so it kinda makes sense.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think it usually says we'll be back in 1 day, or something.
It's still a tier above most of the other cards rated 1 star. It's still a 2 mana 2/3. River Crocolisk is probably worth at least 2 stars. I also don't even think it's weaker than Youthful Brewmaster. It's more flexible. Is it good? No. But it's not "garbage" unless you get emotional.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
It's better than river crocolisk, but river crocolisk is below a 1.
We're talking about constructed. You can't be playing minions with zero text unless they're broken.
"Sees no play = 1 star" is the type of evaluation criteria that completely eliminates the distinction between cards that are kinda bad and cards that are horrible. You've completely crunched a huge range of cards into a tiny hole. When you do this, you can be completely blindsided when cards that have not been in the meta for a long time suddenly re-emerge or become relevant.
River Crocolisk saw constructed play in classic and you can put it in a newbie deck. The difference between a card like that and a card like Magma Rager is immense. You can't put those two in the same category.
The Wizard
Member
The same poll has mana geode at 3 stars by the majority and that card is honestly not that far from a river crock a lot of the time.
BananasWithGuns
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