SolidSnakex
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It used Decima before it officially had a name. So back when people just referred to it as the Shadow Fall engine. The engine seems to be super flexible.
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Horizon: Zero Dawn | Review Thread
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It used Decima before it officially had a name. So back when people just referred to it as the Shadow Fall engine. The engine seems to be super flexible.
Ninja Scooter
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It's factually a new IP. Like, that's not something that is up for debate or discussion. What the fuck are you even going on about? The hills some people choose to die on around here, jfc.
OrbitalBeard
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it is literally a new intelectual property
LOL, dead
but yeah, we should not derail this any more
Prophet Steve
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No it's not. It's around the score half way on the scale (5.5 would be the middle). But it is not the average score given out, that is higher.
If I'm being honest, I'm looking forward to Zelda an unreasonable amount. Horizon is looking so promising I genuinely worry that it'll negatively affect my enjoyment of Zelda. I think another poster mentioned something similar after having played Horizon.
I should just be happy about a game this good coming out, but the Zelda fan in me is irrational. The two games are likely to deliver incredibly different experiences.
Shadow Fall was the first really then, it just wasnt called that back then too
God, I am so curious about the story/plot in this game.
Just watching some reviews and I cant get over the amount of praise Kinda Funny gives. They seem so blown away by how good the storytelling is and how Aloy is such a relatable character. Saying its a scifi story never before told is just so surprising to me considering its so easy to fall into stereotypes when dealing with these kinds of genres.
Ugh, hurry up next week.
Just watching some reviews and I cant get over the amount of praise Kinda Funny gives. They seem so blown away by how good the storytelling is and how Aloy is such a relatable character. Saying its a scifi story never before told is just so surprising to me considering its so easy to fall into stereotypes when dealing with these kinds of genres.
Ugh, hurry up next week.
Can we stop with USgamer reviewer is not allowed to say her opinion please. She can give it 0/10 and it shouldn't matter because outlier is a fucking outlier. I know it probably fucked up the meta score, but it's still 88. People who who didn't believe still got served crow. Although, judging how much credence we should put on USgamer score based on her past work should be also valid. If Jeff Gerstmann is to review RDR2 it would certainly raise my eyebrows because of how much our opinions differ from each other regarding Red Dead Redemption. Based on USgamer reviewer's limited work, it seems that she prefers simple adventure and puzzle games and doesn't like twitch action style games. So I would personally take her views of this game with a grain of salt, but that doesn't mean that she shouldn't be reviewing games. There are people like her who don't enjoy these types of games and she is voicing their opinion. I don't care for it but it has a place in the review process.
Also Dark Souls is not a new IP, it's just like Demon Souls. In fact Sony should sue Namco and From Software. /S
Also Dark Souls is not a new IP, it's just like Demon Souls. In fact Sony should sue Namco and From Software. /S
humansarehorses
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IGN's video has a small combat spoiler.
Invisible machines.
The Artisan
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it also isn't a souls game
Were you saving this post and forget to post it an hour ago? Every time we move past this topic, someone bring is back, lol.
gow3isben
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What on EARTH are you talking about? Completely different stealth based gameplay with weird fungal creatures and radically different storytelling and sense of danger. Even people who disagree with me should scoff at this horrible example.
After the links people showed I'll acknowledge it is a separate IP from an ownership standpoint. That is fact even I admit at this point. Thematically it is completely the same and I personally wouldn't classify it in separately from the Souls series when listing game series. So yes, distinct intellectual property, same franchise.
Now lets get back to Horizon.
Dr.Sanchez
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Man, all these good games coming out. I already bought both Resident Evil 7 and Yakuza 0. I don't have enough for more games right now.
How's 4chan holding up? I imagine their distaste for "identity politics" in games is conflicting pretty hard right now with their innate desire to go after a female critic for her dissenting review.
EDIT: Yeahhh, maybe I should drop the USGamer discussion. It's bound to come up on it's own intermittently anyway over the course of the thread.
EDIT: Yeahhh, maybe I should drop the USGamer discussion. It's bound to come up on it's own intermittently anyway over the course of the thread.
lowhighkang_LHK
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When is this games release? The 28th? Wow, they sent out review copies early.
gundamkyoukai
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Well on the bright side at least we still talking about games lol.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Give it time
haha I thought the same thing
Somehow Sanji and his L's will come up.
TheExecutive
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Yeah, this. Not sure what is doing in this thread but people saying it isn't a new IP don't understand the definition of an IP and are, quite literally, objectively wrong.
The Artisan
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umm, the same examples you used. same developer, same stye storytelling - the last of us and uncharted have those in common and I don't see anyone scoffing at me.
well, GAF often does scoff at me but they ain't doing it this time.
you're in the right this time Artisan
It's like if Nintendo made a new IP that had jumping and collecting in it and people were like "that's a Mario game in spirit"
Blackleg-sanji1
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Nope. You're not gonna weasel your way out. Let's go deeper. Would you consider Donkey Kong Country the same IP as 2D mario games?
gow3isben
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The gang fever is on your side. The two series have radically different storytelling man what the hell. Last of Us is a tragedy, Uncharted is a fun adventure. Their gameplay is completely different. One focuses on high octane action and set pieces with guns blazing whereas one is a stealth game.
Anyway, back to Horizon or wat?
Listen, I'm motioning to get back to horizon but if you want to continue with this then fine. Never played it give me another comparison. But if you mean it is also a sidescroller platformer then that is a genre. It is the same genre but a different franchise and IP. Another weird example.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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I suggest everyone buy this and Torment together during the sales promo tomorrow to get 15 dollars back.
The Artisan
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What I meant the style of storytelling. Gameplay sections to prerendered cutscenes, that's all the same. I never said nor did I mean that the tones or entertainment genres were the same
go for it
joecanada
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ah yes back to horizon. did you know horizon is not actually a new IP? It's just killzone with dinosaurs, well not even really they are Helghan dinosaurs so really they're the same.
That's now "Is crash multiplat?".
The Artisan
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lol he came close to admitting he was wrong man so i think that's enough of that...
gow3isben
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No it is not. It is a great game and I played the hell out of it. As I said already, I acknowledge it is considered a different intellectual property because that is literally an ownership issue. But it is still part of the same game series.
Great joke man. Congratulations.
idk man, Skyward Sword kinda proved to me nostalgia gets you pretty damn far.
They're being paid to be professionally subjective
That's what reviews and criticism are
TetraGenesis
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sugarhigh4242
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Original Killzone trademark: 3259104
Original Zelda trademark: 1494363
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4804:n55agj.15.1
No prior registrations for Horizon Zero Dawn:
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4804:n55agj.3.1
Original Zelda trademark: 1494363
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4804:n55agj.15.1
No prior registrations for Horizon Zero Dawn:
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4804:n55agj.3.1
"Objectively subjective"
Patapwn
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I don't know, I have some issues with the review itself. A review of a review if you will.
The person did not like the game, holding that opinion should be uncontroversial. Everyone is entitled to feel a certain way. However, in the case of a professional review that goes up on teh metacritic, I think there is merit in discussing whether a particular review was 'fair or unfair' to a particular game. It's a controversial thing to declare someone's opinion 'unfair' but I think reading the review this is my conclusion.
The main takeaway I had from the criticisms are that 1. the reviewer didn't like Aloy and the story and 2. it's an open world game with open world game conventions
1. is difficult to really take issue with. Stories are very subjective. The reviewer called it c-tier sci fi, I guess I'll just have to see when I play the game myself. One criticism I thought was unfair was regarding the character of Aloy helping out others. The reviewer did not think it made sense for her to help out others given her outcast status. Uh, why is this an issue at all let alone a big issue? If you're an outcast I would imagine a longing to rejoin society. Helping people out seems like a fair method to accomplish this. This just comes off as contrived criticism.
Regarding 2. I It was claimed that the game is a boring grind because it has hunt and fetch quests. I mean come on, really? Two examples for bad side quests are given, one where you find a special weapon and another about finding someone's missing daughter and saving her from a robot alligator. Seems to be a typical set of quests that can serve to flush out the world. I'm left uncertain of what a 'good' side quest would entail and how Horizon could have meet those expectations.
As for the other criticism, that the main game is a linear arena fest, I watched many hours of streams on this game and know quite a bit. Never witnessed anything close to this. Trying to understand this criticism, my guess is that certain main quest areas are designed with a certain progression in mind like the caldrons. I don't know, taking issue with this doesn't make sense. In open world games there's always going to be handcrafted sections for points of interest. Why is this bad? You can take buzzwords and spin something any way you want. 'pointless' 'eye-rolling' 'cookie cutter' 'bland', these were some of the labels present in seemingly every other sentence.
One thing that stuck out for me is that little effort was made to present positives for the game. The game is an action rpg with an emphasis on action and nothing was spoken about regarding the action. The gameplay mechanics, the robot designs, enemy variety and encounter design, hell even the graphics which are an amazing achievement only got a single statement. How could you take the biggest part of this game and not speak to it at all in favor on shitting on standard open world side quest design? This to me is an indicator of an unfair appraisal.
As for anything else, there's really not alot to the review. It's short and says how the reviewer felt but little in the way of a justification for these feelings. The content of the review focused mainly on giving an impression on story elements from Aloy to side quests barely anything on gameplay. Unfortunately, I was left wondering if this was an attempt to garner exposure from 'my first big review' than a fair judgement of Horizon. I give the review 2.5 out of 5
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