semiconscious
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& i don't understand the mistaking of people disliking microsoft's business practices with people disliking microsoft's consoles...
I don't understand the dislike towards the Xbox consoles
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Judge Magister
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laynelane
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Yeah, I remember way back when MS first entered the gaming space with the original Xbox - there were a lot of concerns about the impact they could have (based on the way the handled Windows, etc.). However, everything was fine until the Xbone reveal. That gave a real good look into the direction MS wanted gaming to head in and it's just grown worse over the years with the acquisitions, studio closures, game cancellations, lies, FUD, etc.
Agreed on the leadership too. MS' absolute refusal to hire competent leadership even as the brand falls apart around them says a lot about how much they really value Xbox.
FalsettoVibe
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Its not the hardware but the annoying mfs that orbit around the brand. These dudes were going buck wild during the Tflop debate?, real rdna vs fake, Bethesda/Activision buyouts, wait for the tools, etc.
Reminds me of Dallas Cowboy fans. And yes, I am a Titans fan.....we suck.
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0neAnd0nly
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As a 90s/00 gamer:
- I have deep distrust and dislike for MS
- The game library has never been super diverse
- They've always just desired to shut PS down, never really built much on their own merit. My proof of this is how hard they targeted traditional PS games (GTA, MGS, ETC, to an extension (via developer) sunset overdrive)
- Wonky af controller
- RRoD and their ridiculous response initially
- HDDVD lol
- No organic in house studios worth mentioning, simply buying out the competition / studios to try to shut everybody else down in huge swaths (Bethesda, King/Blizzard/Acti)
- forcing proprietary bs (hard drives)
- No rechargeable battery on their 360 controllers and then convincing their minions that was actually a good thing lol
- That POS Max (their automated telephone support bot)
- INTRO-EFFING-DUCED PAY TO PLAY ONLINE AND MICROTRANSACTION BS THAT PLAGUES OUR INDUSTRY NOW
- Every time they lose they have to try to burn the industry down (game pass and the war on physical).
That about does it.
- I have deep distrust and dislike for MS
- The game library has never been super diverse
- They've always just desired to shut PS down, never really built much on their own merit. My proof of this is how hard they targeted traditional PS games (GTA, MGS, ETC, to an extension (via developer) sunset overdrive)
- Wonky af controller
- RRoD and their ridiculous response initially
- HDDVD lol
- No organic in house studios worth mentioning, simply buying out the competition / studios to try to shut everybody else down in huge swaths (Bethesda, King/Blizzard/Acti)
- forcing proprietary bs (hard drives)
- No rechargeable battery on their 360 controllers and then convincing their minions that was actually a good thing lol
- That POS Max (their automated telephone support bot)
- INTRO-EFFING-DUCED PAY TO PLAY ONLINE AND MICROTRANSACTION BS THAT PLAGUES OUR INDUSTRY NOW
- Every time they lose they have to try to burn the industry down (game pass and the war on physical).
That about does it.
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0neAnd0nly
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I'm old enough to remember when GAF, N4G, etc. All had RIDICULOUSLY slanted bias towards Xbox.
So I don't really accept that.
It use to be quite the opposite. People just left Xbox and could no longer defend their bs eventually, and the good will from Halo and Forza seems like a distant memory.
Judge Magister
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coffinbirth
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Better get your ass in that BALLxPIT.
Astray
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I'm sure this just happened in a vacuum.
There are reasons why this happened and they lie outside this forum in the real world.
Every platform has its haters, even Steam has some, what all of them have and Xbox doesn't is enough lovers and users who actually like them to keep them afloat and thriving.
I still primarily use my Xbox as my main console, but I've started switching to pc over the past year or two mainly because I've started playing more steam games (because the family sharing stuff now works right there).
I honestly think none of these consoles anymore (ps, xbox, or switch) are consumer friendly. They're all doing anti-consumer things constantly, for the past couple years it seems like they're trying to 1up each other on trying to screw consumers more. Xbox with their console prices and game pass price rises, PS with a ps5 pro with no disc drive plus being expensive (and ps+ not being great), Nintendo just being Nintendo charging $70/$80 for remakes, etc. They've all turned into cable companies/blockbuster in my opinion, companies that you once loved because of the content you could get from them but then they took that love and used it to extort consumers the max possible.
Steam is the only place where I feel they're not anti-consumer yet. So they're getting more and more of my money.
I honestly think none of these consoles anymore (ps, xbox, or switch) are consumer friendly. They're all doing anti-consumer things constantly, for the past couple years it seems like they're trying to 1up each other on trying to screw consumers more. Xbox with their console prices and game pass price rises, PS with a ps5 pro with no disc drive plus being expensive (and ps+ not being great), Nintendo just being Nintendo charging $70/$80 for remakes, etc. They've all turned into cable companies/blockbuster in my opinion, companies that you once loved because of the content you could get from them but then they took that love and used it to extort consumers the max possible.
Steam is the only place where I feel they're not anti-consumer yet. So they're getting more and more of my money.
ShadyAcshuns
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Why? Are you a fan turd?
RickMasters
Member
Yup, especially Xbox management.
But otherwise it's a great console. I love mine. Love my backlog. Just not a fan of the company behind Xbox anymore.
Humdinger
Gold Member
It's understandable to feel like the hardware gets a bad rap. It's good hardware and doesn't deserve the treatment Xbox and MS have given it.
But hopefully, now that you've read what people are saying, you no longer believe that the hardware "suffers for no reason." It suffers for many good reasons.
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Syphon Filter
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i liked the 360 and original xbox but current xbox is trash. it has no games, paying to play online is a scam and it has drm elements on it. any franchise they had in the past was ruined, but keep in mind if feel the same way for sony.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Ainem Enamas
, you already got your answer. You're ignoring people making the best points and mostly responding to off-hand comments. Microsoft is the problem. They devalued the Xbox brand, and if Xbox moves third-party (which it increasingly looks like they are doing) then there is no reason to buy into the Xbox ecosystem.Would you rent a house or apartment if you knew the owner was behind on payments and the place could be foreclosed in the near future? No, because that would be retarded. This is the same situation with Xbox. Why buy the next Xbox if Microsoft is making all of the moves that indicates that they aren't staying in the console business?
The hardware is not, and (with the exception of the launch Xbox One) never was, the issue at hand. The issue is that the company behind the device is throwing away all reason to buy into the Xbox ecosystem. You want to play Halo? It's going to come to PlayStation. You want to play Starfield? It's coming to PlayStation. You want to play Gears of War? It's coming to PlayStation.
Tell me why you would pick an Xbox over a PlayStation if Xbox's games are going to be released on PlayStation? Why wouldn't you want to just buy one PlayStation to play all of Sony and Microsoft games instead of buying two different consoles (or just sticking with an Xbox and not getting to play PlayStation games)?
Punished Miku
Gaslighter Pro: 16.7 Fireflops
I mean, I know that. Same thing could be said for the Dreamcast which I also had. Didnt have those mainstream blockbusters but had a lot of varied and weird content that a niche audience of people were into. Wasn't enough to keep it going but it had fans.
Ceadeus
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Without Xbox, so many legendary games would be missing—it would be criminal.
Ninja Gaiden 1 & 2 alone were worth buying a console for.
Every Xbox console has been great to me—even the One with Kinect. I freaking love gimmicky peripherals and have some really great memories playing Dead Rising 3 and Titanfall.
Ninja Gaiden 1 & 2 alone were worth buying a console for.
Every Xbox console has been great to me—even the One with Kinect. I freaking love gimmicky peripherals and have some really great memories playing Dead Rising 3 and Titanfall.
bitbydeath
Member
That, and many more things like:
-Trying to keep raising prices
-Trying to make cloud a big deal
-Pushing online in general over single player
-Paying people to push false agendas
Humdinger
Gold Member
It's possible that he wasn't really asking a question but making a statement. I can't read his mind, so I don't know. But maybe "I don't understand why people don't like Xbox consoles" = "I like Xbox consoles, and you guys are being unfair."
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Ainem Enamas
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They had a price increase right, recently? If now I would buy a console, personally, would pick the cheapest option.
edit: for the Quick Resume I would pay a little bit more. Does the PS5 has similar feature?
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Ozrimandias
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I've been a PlayStation gamer my whole life; I've been a PS user for over 20 years. It wasn't until about two years ago that I bought an Xbox Series X. The work they've done with backward compatibility on some games is truly fascinating, and in some cases even free, while PlayStation was charging $39 for something you could have had for free on Xbox. There's a real sense of continuity across their consoles, which is great. Unfortunately, I find their controller very poor compared to the DualSense, and I've never found exclusives that were truly game-changing. There's a very childish backlash against Xbox on NeoGAF. Competition is always good. Sony's best era, when they dared to release strong exclusives, offered software-based backward compatibility, expanded their catalog, and made their console truly interesting, was during the PS3 era — precisely when they were losing ground to the Xbox 360. Arrogant Sony is the worst.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Would you rent a house or apartment if you knew the owner was behind on payments and the place could be foreclosed in the near future? No, because that would be retarded. This is the same situation with Xbox. Why buy the next Xbox if Microsoft is making all of the moves that indicates that they aren't staying in the console business?
The hardware is not, and (with the exception of the launch Xbox One) never was, the issue at hand. The issue is that the company behind the device is throwing away all reason to buy into the Xbox ecosystem. You want to play Halo? It's going to come to PlayStation. You want to play Starfield? It's coming to PlayStation. You want to play Gears of War? It's coming to PlayStation.
Tell me why you would pick an Xbox over a PlayStation if Xbox's games are going to be released on PlayStation? Why wouldn't you want to just buy one PlayStation to play all of Sony and Microsoft games instead of buying two different consoles (or just sticking with an Xbox and not getting to play PlayStation games)?
And beyond that, 3rd party games are skipping it left and right. I feel bad for regular gamers who aren't terminally online shitposters who are heavily invested in the Xbox ecosystem.
Ainem Enamas
Member
I'm following the game industry and I get it, but still that does not bother me to buy their hardware
Ainem Enamas
Member
For me it's worth purchasing, because I tend to switch games often
How far you are in Blue Dragon now?
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Heck, even Baldur's Gate 3 showed the Xbox Series S/X restrictions worked against them. If I recall correctly, Microsoft ended up allowing Larian Studios to cut features/functionality from the Xbox Series S version in order to be able to release the game on Xbox. Which has got to be a kick in the teeth to Xbox Series S owners who were told that while texture quality might be lower, the Xbox Series S would have feature parity with Xbox Series X games.
Ainem Enamas
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GermanZepp
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Loved my 360 until became the most expensive paperweight I ever had. Remember back in the day ? Full of youtube videos of 360 mods cutting a freaking square hole in the chassis with a cooler attached into it? They released a defective product. It was an absolute mess. And please don't bring the ps3 yellow light, there wasn't nothing like that, it's not even comparable. Comfortable controllers though..
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Yeah Series S was Phil stepping on another rake for absolutely no reason. And it was so predictable even at the time.
Ainem Enamas
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Does it impact that?
Astray
Member
The Dreamcast was honestly more of a victim of Sega's past bad decisions (Sega CD, 32X, Nomad, Saturn rollout) more than anything else. I honestly don't know anyone who hates Sega, even when I was a SNES kid I didn't hate the Mega Drive/Genesis.
They spent a lot of money on experiments and infighting regional offices' ideas, and in the meantime they lost the trust of big retailers and publishers.
But other than that, the Dreamcast had excellent games in all my genres, it's easily my favorite console of all time.
Ainem Enamas
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It is pricey
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
There was a lot of expectations for Xbox this gen
Ainem Enamas
Member
Hold on, there are so many posts coming in, I try to respond who quoted me first
Would you rent a house or apartment if you knew the owner was behind on payments and the place could be foreclosed in the near future? No, because that would be retarded. This is the same situation with Xbox. Why buy the next Xbox if Microsoft is making all of the moves that indicates that they aren't staying in the console business?
The hardware is not, and (with the exception of the launch Xbox One) never was, the issue at hand. The issue is that the company behind the device is throwing away all reason to buy into the Xbox ecosystem. You want to play Halo? It's going to come to PlayStation. You want to play Starfield? It's coming to PlayStation. You want to play Gears of War? It's coming to PlayStation.
Tell me why you would pick an Xbox over a PlayStation if Xbox's games are going to be released on PlayStation? Why wouldn't you want to just buy one PlayStation to play all of Sony and Microsoft games instead of buying two different consoles (or just sticking with an Xbox and not getting to play PlayStation games)?
I simply want to play something. Lately I tend to play older games, and Quick Resume is very useful
Artistic
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Think I'm about 9-10 hours in. On my way back to Talta Village.
Laptop1991
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It's not the console itself for me, i've got nothing against Xboxes it's the company in charge of it that's the problem, Microsoft! and their bad gaming decision's.
It has nothing to do with Xbox and its games.
It has to do with Phil Spencer, his yes-man underlings, and the Xbox fanboys with parasocial relationships with the Xbox suits.
If I were to write everything disgusting about Phil Spencer and the trained Xbox fanboys, it would be a long post... so I'll summarize:
Phill Spencer fantasizing about a "stellar career moment" of buying Nintendo with Office money, and in another email, he victimized himself because "evil Sony" forced him to buy a "forced bundle" of the PS5 with Horizon Forbidden West.
If you don't understand how deceitful, lying, and self-serving Phil Spencer is, nothing I write beyond this will make you understand.
It has to do with Phil Spencer, his yes-man underlings, and the Xbox fanboys with parasocial relationships with the Xbox suits.
If I were to write everything disgusting about Phil Spencer and the trained Xbox fanboys, it would be a long post... so I'll summarize:
Phill Spencer fantasizing about a "stellar career moment" of buying Nintendo with Office money, and in another email, he victimized himself because "evil Sony" forced him to buy a "forced bundle" of the PS5 with Horizon Forbidden West.
If you don't understand how deceitful, lying, and self-serving Phil Spencer is, nothing I write beyond this will make you understand.
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Humdinger
Gold Member
Yes. You put PS5 in Rest Mode, then come back and boot it up (takes about a second), and it resumes where you left off. I think the main difference is that the Xbox Quick Resume allows multiple things to be put on hold at once, whereas the PS5 Rest Mode only allows one thing at a time to be put on hold. Personally, I've never needed to put multiple things on hold at the same time, so the difference doesn't matter to me.
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Astray
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Ironically enough Quick Resume is a feature that would have been far more useful on an actual handheld Xbox.
Topher
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I thought you said "fuck fanboys"
GHG
Member
What he really meant to say is "fuck other fanboys".