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[LakeOf9]

I was hype for Switch 2, then I heard the "physical game" is a mere download code.

Such a let down.

That's a massive problem for me

This is not true, just to be clear

 

[Gamer79]

This is not true, just to be clear

It is true. Many games will only be a Key. Some won't but many will.

 

[ComputerBlue]

Me too

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

It is true. Many games will only be a Key. Some won't but many will.

I think the Switch already does this for games that are too big for the cart

 

[Gamer79]

I think the Switch already does this for games that are too big for the cart

very few, and I wont buy those

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

very few, and I wont buy those

is there a source that says it will be at a higher frequency on the Switch 2?

I agree this would suck, but if it is already happening I'm curious what the rhyme and reason will be for it on Switch 2 vs Switch 1. you'd think size constraints would be similarly the reason

 

[Gamer79]

is there a source that says it will be at a higher frequency on the Switch 2?

I agree this would suck, but if it is already happening I'm curious what the rhyme and reason will be for it on Switch 2 vs Switch 1. you'd think size constraints would be similarly the reason

It's common sense man. You know the 3rd parties are not going to want to spend money on large cartridges. They are going to sell that Key. Nintendo themselves will end up doing it too. They are trying to steer you to an all digital future. That key is a bullshit fancy way of selling a digital game. I don't know what percentages will do it but I am willing to bet it will be more than a few. Switch is taking 4k, 4k games are much larger than regular switch games.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

It's common sense man. You know the 3rd parties are not going to want to spend money on large cartridges. They are going to sell that Key. Nintendo themselves will end up doing it too. They are trying to steer you to an all digital future. That key is a bullshit fancy way of selling a digital game. I don't know what percentages will do it but I am willing to bet it will be more than a few.

I really hope this isn't the case but I think what further adds to your point is that this is also an incentive for them to sell their overpriced additional storage

you'd think it could work the opposite way as well. lots of casuals probably aren't willing to dish $200 on 1tb of storage, and will be irate when their device ends up filling up pretty damn fast despite buying physical media

 

[LakeOf9]

It is true. Many games will only be a Key. Some won't but many will.

Most games won't be, only a few (the ones that used to be download codes/partial downloads on which) will be keys. Most games are still fully on cart.

 

[AJUMP23]

I am a fan of Nintendo but I see some mistakes being made with pricing.

Gameshare is cool though.

 

[Gambit2483]

I bought Japanese physical game and played it on my US account with no problem. Where is the confirmation about the Japanese game board?

They say it's Japanese ONLY language games. I assume the Japanese rating board only rates Japanese language games...? Don't think about this too hard..

 

[NanaMiku]

They say it's Japanese ONLY language games. I assume the Japanese rating board only rates Japanese language games...? Don't think about this too hard..

Who is they?
I only read only system language and Japanese account, no mention about games

 

[JaxarGT]

I can get behind the costs of the console, I'm just not spending $80 a pop on Nintendo first party digital games.


Now that the seal is broken, I can't imagine them not following the lead. I imagine they will wait for new hardware releases.

If Nintendo gets away with it, I fear other publishers will follow along.

 

[Puscifer]

It's also cheaper, more powerful and has cheaper games than Switch 2.

It's also not portable and was the same price as the PS4 and absolutely decimated said console.

 

[Danjin44]

It's also cheaper, more powerful and has cheaper games than Switch 2.

But there games on Switch 2 I refuse miss out, currently my PS5 is mostly multiplatform machine while Nintendo systems for their exclusives.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

It's also not portable and was the same price as the PS4 and absolutely decimated said console.

Not sure what PS4 has to do with it?

I don't even get that last part, tbf. Who decimated what?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

But there games on Switch 2 I refuse miss out, currently my PS5 is mostly multiplatform machine while Nintendo systems for their exclusives.

Completely fair.

 

[Topher]

I don't. I hope Nintendo has to maked adjustments to their pricing, but not going to say I want the platform to flat-out fail. I may get it at some point. I want to see more about how it looks/performs on larger screens.

 

[Sorcerer]

I went into that Direct with high hopes of wanting to buy a Nintendo system for the first time since the DS. What I saw was exceptionally bad: touting "chat" functionality as something new and revolutionary, paid upgrade patches, Mario Kart Horizon, no new compelling games, just ports of old games. And then the pricing completely killed what little enthusiasm I had left, especially the physical game prices when you consider that Nintendo published games rarely go on sale.

While I would like to see it fail so other companies don't get bad ideas from it, I know it will be successful because Nintendo fans are like Apple fans, they'll buy and put up with just about anything. It will not be as successful as the original Switch though, especially if Sony and MS enter the portable market.

Nintendo has failed 3 generations and made other missteps along the way. I don't think their fans are sheep.
Problem is you can't be the one who lags behind in tech and then price your hardware and games like you are miles ahead graphically.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

But there games on Switch 2 I refuse miss out, currently my PS5 is mostly multiplatform machine while Nintendo systems for their exclusives.

This is me pretty much. They have a grip on me due to childhood nostalgia. The Zelda games in particular.

I hardly ever touch my switch, but I’ve put hundreds of hours into totk and botw

Silver lining is that I don’t have any serious urgency to pick it up until the new Zelda comes out, although the new open world Mario kart seems neat

 

[Danjin44]

This is me pretty much. They have a grip on me due to childhood nostalgia. The Zelda games in particular.

I hardly ever touch my switch, but I’ve put hundreds of hours into totk and botw

Silver lining is that I don’t have any serious urgency to pick it up until the new Zelda comes out, although the new open world Mario kart seems neat

I play my Switch a lot especially for games like Xenoblade which I can sink close to 100-200 hours and I'm also getting Switch 2 at launch because games like Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong Bananza looks fucking amazing to me.

Ultimately I go where Monolith Soft goes, like FROM and Vanillaware they are my favourite developers.

 

[Efren is G.O.A.T.]

It's just your emotions talking but they come from a good place. You don't really want the Switch 2 to fail, what you want is for them to rectify this situation with a more adequate pricing on some of their games, accessories, upgrade packs etc. Do you really want to be in a gaming landscape without Nintendo games?

 

[XXL]

I don't know why you would want them to fail?

They make great games.

They just need to stop being fucking scumbags.

 

[darrylgorn]

Ah, I see. We're doing April fools week now.

 

[JimmyRustler]

I swear to God, the same people complaining about game prices now are the same people with huge backlogs… Just stop buying games and play your old ones until they get cheaper.

 

[ByWatterson]

I don't think it will fail, and I don't care about "anti-consumer" this and that.

But I do think they'll experience a momentum slowdown because they haven't shown software sufficient to differentiate it from Switch 1.

Third-party ports of games from years ago ain't it. And they don't have a flagship launch title that inspires.

 

[ADiTAR]

And they don't have a flagship launch title that inspires.

you mean an open world gaas game based on the 60m+ Switch best seller?

 

[ByWatterson]

you mean an open world gaas game based on the 60m+ Switch best seller?

Yes. That's what I mean. Hardly a Breath of the Wild phenomenon.

It'll sell a ton. But I don't think it'll be the same sensation as Switch 1.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

People will shit on OP's take but at the end of the day, when MS and PS anounced a monthly sub update by $20 more a year, people went ape shit, cancelling subs etc. Yet Nintnedo keeps making way worse financial decisions and offerings, but Nintendo fans are so hungry for literally anything new and will just "take it" no matter what the price. Switch 2 isn't even next gen, its current gen....or is it because its PS4/X1 HW with 256Gb storage lol, yet they have $90 game and $90 for an extra pair of joycons when yours get the eventual stick drift...their markup in pricing for everything is greed.

If anyone here moded their joycons to switch out the look etc, it is embarrassing how low quality it is inside, its just two cheap pieces of plastic with like 3 wires and one little chip. Nintendo are masters of charging premium for 5+ year old hardware.

 

[Lord Malachite]

Nintendo has chosen to go excessively anti-consumer and is actively attempting to make games less affordable for gamers everywhere by making every other publisher and platform holder think they are undervaluing their games.

Their current software pricing move with Switch 2 will ultimately damage the entire industry for their own short-term gain.

If you purchase the Switch 2, you are making an active and deliberate choice to make gaming more expensive and less accessible to everyone.

What Nintendo is doing to consumers is obscene. And the only voice they will listen to is their profit margin. Stop giving them your money and make them repent, or make gaming as a whole worse. The choice is yours.

 

[tr1p1ex]

i liked the gamecube and wii u generations. They discounted a ton. And had great games.

 

[kat_on_the_roof]

*If you are one of those hardcore Nintendo Cucks that worships everything that they do, this thread is not for you.

I am not a Nintendo Hater, In fact I own a switch with over 30 of the best physical games and dozens of digital games. What has been revealed from Nintendo is nothing short of corporate greed. Just comparing the Japanese price of the console (around $310) to my country the US ($449) is just one example of this. Nintendo ever since the SNES days have a long history of being arrogant pricks. From the SNES days all the way through the N64 they were notorious assholes to work with. Nintendo first got humbled with the n64 when the Sony PSX handed them their ass combined with the fact Nintendo would not budge off of cartridges. They were a little better with the Gamecube but again made the odd choice of those mini disk. Both the cartridge format from the n64 and the mini disk from the Gamecube were mostly made because they were afraid of piracy. The psx was cracked already and Nintendo were and still are control freak's with their IP's. Then they got humbled again with the WIIU. People were screaming when it revealed it was a stupid fucking name and confused casual consumers. Nintendo is a stuibborn company and rarely listens to criticism until it hits their bottom line. They hit the Jackpot with the Switch. It was a massive success and bigger than anyone thought it would be. Here we are again with another Cycle and arrogant asshole Nintendo is back.

The only thing that is going to humble Nintendo again is another big failure. Again Nintendo has a history of being an arrogant greedy company to work with. Until their bottom dollar starts getting hammered they aren't going to budge from this arrogant behavior. I have read credible stories that the Switch 2 has been done for almost a year but they didn't want to stop the original Nintendo Switch gravy train. I get going up a little bit but going up 30%-50% on software when it doesn't seem justfied is insane. People assume that the Switch 2 will be massive success but I really hope not. The Wii was a monster of a console than the sequel WiiU was a massive dud due to marketing and just not having mass appeal. The NIntendo Cucks will pay the $80-$90 for their software but I wonder if the mass consumer is willing to do the same. AS a Switch fan they priced me out of the market. I also as a physical switch guy hate the fact of this whole buying the copy and it only being a downlaod key. The fucking point of buying a physical copy is I can play it without being online or I can lend my cartridge to a friend, or sell it when I'm done etc. Nintendo is just trying to make an all digital library. Lets hope Nintendo fails hard and show the rest of the gaming industry this shit wont' be tolerated. I understand the price of goods has to go up eventually but the Quality of most software from all companies is rarely worth the new $70 msrp let along $80-$90 plus.

I would never want a product to fail if there are people who enjoy it. I can simply choose not to buy it, and that’s fine but it’s also okay if others enjoy it. To each their own. There are plenty of alternatives out there. I don’t understand the mindset of wanting something to fail or disappear just because I don’t like it or am dissatisfied with how it turned out or the price it’s being sold at.

 

[Soodanim]

What happened to Nintendo being this mythical beacon of light in the dark world of greedy corporations?

I remember getting my Wii U and finding it refreshing to put in a game and just play it. Colourful designs, no pushes for DLC, just a game you put in and played. It felt like the last bastion of a simpler time.

Then they did Amiibo exclusive characters/weapons for Hyrule Warriors and that was when I realised it was over forever. Not only had Nintendo gone all in on DLC but they were making content exclusive to a shitty toy. Not timed exclusive, not included in the season pass, just "Buy this shitty thing if you want the DLC". Even worse when you remember how sought after the Amiibos were. I wanted to buy their DLC and they weren't interested in selling it to me.

Turns out they weren't better than anyone, they were just slower at being among the worst.

 

[Lord Malachite]

I would never want a product to fail if there are people who enjoy it. I can simply choose not to buy it, and that’s fine but it’s also okay if others enjoy it. To each their own. There are plenty of alternatives out there. I don’t understand the mindset of wanting something to fail or disappear just because I don’t like it or am dissatisfied with how it turned out or the price it’s being sold at.

This seems very short-sighted in this instance. While I understand your 'live and let live' mindset, it's not always the best approach.

If you don't like a movie, don't go see it. You don't have to stop it from existing. That's fine. Don't like a show? Don't watch it. Don't like a game? Don't buy it.

But with the Switch 2, we're talking about something that affects the entire industry. Nintendo is actively teaching every player in the industry they are undervaluing their games and driving prices up. They are also overcharging for essential peripherals like joycons and the pro controller. The system itself is very pricey for a handheld.

This is not a case of saying the Switch 2 needs to not exist. It's that as gamers, if we want gaming to be more financially accessible, we need to stand against these types of practices and vote with our wallets. Nintendo has no incentive to stop what they are doing if they make money hand over fist while doing it. The only remedy is to hit them right in the wallet as hard as we can and convince them that their actions are bad for them. Otherwise, these terrible practices will become the norm across the board.

 

[Shubh_C63]

Assuming Number of games people buy in a month have drastically gone lower because of long development time, cost and GaaS, Nintendo could charge more for their first party games that people play throughout the entire generation like Zelda, Kart, Animal crossing etc.

I don't know if Nintendo is the Apple of Gaming with their pristine products and obsession with controlling the IPs and narrative, but they don't do greedy traditional microtransactions (iirc) or develop anything to sell on a loss (software and Hardware wise). They will get away with this for sure and I have not bought things at launch day since forever now, won't change.

Realistically, charging 80$ for first party titles that you play for entirety of the console lifecycle like Zelda, MKart, Animal Crossing can be excused.
But VASTLY inferior version of third party games more costly than PS5 version is LOL.

 

[Lord Panda]

You're right OP. Every company needs a giant kick in the balls by the market every now and again to keep them honest and hungry. Nintendo are long long long overdue for a good gonad smash.

 

[kat_on_the_roof]

This seems very short-sighted in this instance. While I understand your 'live and let live' mindset, it's not always the best approach.

If you don't like a movie, don't go see it. You don't have to stop it from existing. That's fine. Don't like a show? Don't buy it. Don't like a game? Don't buy it.

But with the Switch 2, we're talking about something that affects the entire industry. Nintendo is actively teaching every player in the industry they are undervaluing their games and driving prices up. They are also overcharging for essential peripherals like joycons and the pro controller. The system itself is very pricey for a handheld.

This is not a case of saying the Switch 2 needs to not exist. It's that as gamers, if we want gaming to be more financially accessible, we need to stand against these types of practices and vote with our wallets. Nintendo has no incentive to stop what they are doing if they make money hand over fist while doing it. The only remedy is to hit them right in the wallet as hard as we can and convince them that their actions are bad for them. Otherwise, these terrible practices will become the norm across the board.

Totally hear you, and I get where the frustration is coming from. It does feel like prices are creeping up everywher and when a big player like Nintendo leans into that, it’s easy to worry that the whole industry might follow.
I think there is room for different types of products to exist at different price points just like we see in other industries. Not every game or console has to be a highend, premium experience. There is still a huge market for budget friendly games, indie titles and older hardware that offer great value. Even within gaming rihgt now, you've got stuff like game pass, sales mobile games and smaller devs putting out awesome things for a fraction of the cost.
So yeah, it is important to call out practices that feel predatory or unfair, and voting with your wallet is one of the most effective ways to do that. But I also think not every new console or expensive controller automatically spells doom for affordable gaming. It can all coexist

 

[Lord Malachite]

Totally hear you, and I get where the frustration is coming from. It does feel like prices are creeping up everywher and when a big player like Nintendo leans into that, it’s easy to worry that the whole industry might follow.
I think there is room for different types of products to exist at different price points just like we see in other industries. Not every game or console has to be a highend, premium experience. There is still a huge market for budget friendly games, indie titles and older hardware that offer great value. Even within gaming rihgt now, you've got stuff like game pass, sales mobile games and smaller devs putting out awesome things for a fraction of the cost.
So yeah, it is important to call out practices that feel predatory or unfair, and voting with your wallet is one of the most effective ways to do that. But I also think not every new console or expensive controller automatically spells doom for affordable gaming. It can all coexist

But it won't exist if we allow the pricing to be driven up.

The $700 PS5 Pro is not harming anyone. Because the vanilla PS5 still exists. And Sony didn't start charging a higher rate for games with the PS5 Pro announced. If you don't want to spend money on the PS5 Pro, there's no obligation to upgrade to it. It's there as a premium for those that want it but in no way necessary.

While I think the Switch 2 as a system is too costly for a portable, many people may not. And I'm not decrying the cost of the system itself. It's the extreme tax on games and making the basic controllers so outrageously expensive--notably more than either Sony or Microsoft are charging--that makes this the problem. Nintendo's actions on software and peripheral pricing are telling other players in the industry that they aren't charging enough for them. If the Switch 2 is successful with these prices, it is a 100% guarantee that PlayStation, Xbox, Steam, and Epic will adjust their prices accordingly. Because if Nintendo can do it and be successful, then they will be too. The entire industry will shift as a direct result of Nintendo's actions.

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

These threads are amazing.

Love the adventures of a drug fueled OP, has been mascots (should use a piñata), and their Lost boy.

 

[mcjmetroid]

Kinda yep. If they do badly initially then they'll start reducing prices. Nintendo's best generation are nearly ones where they are fighting from underneath.

 

[BlackTron]

Is this the most Gamer79 thread by Gamer79 yet?

 

[BlackTron]

It's common sense man. You know the 3rd parties are not going to want to spend money on large cartridges. They are going to sell that Key. Nintendo themselves will end up doing it too. They are trying to steer you to an all digital future. That key is a bullshit fancy way of selling a digital game. I don't know what percentages will do it but I am willing to bet it will be more than a few. Switch is taking 4k, 4k games are much larger than regular switch games.

So far, they have the exact same system as Switch 1. The only game I've heard any confirmation about the game card is Cyperpunk where CDPR stated the whole game is on the card.

Nintendo hasn't cheaped out on game cards before so I wouldn't expect them to mandate downloads until I actually see the change happen. Disagreement on common sense here.

 

[aevanhoe]

Just comparing the Japanese price of the console (around $310) to my country the US ($449) is just one example of this.

You can thank people who were cheering here over Trump victory for that one. Him and his tariffs.

 

[Boss Mog]

You're barking up the wrong tree.

I don't do console wars.

That's the reality of the situation where everything is more expensive in today's climate.

So fuck off with that console warring bullshit.

Except that for the Japanese market they're selling it for $338. Apparently despite the "inflation" they're able to shave over 100 bucks off of the US MSRP there.

 

[Impotaku]

So far, they have the exact same system as Switch 1. The only game I've heard any confirmation about the game card is Cyperpunk where CDPR stated the whole game is on the card.

Nintendo hasn't cheaped out on game cards before so I wouldn't expect them to mandate downloads until I actually see the change happen. Disagreement on common sense here.

Probably why the price of physical games went up because the bigger capacity of the cards.

Interesting to see loads online trying to spread misinformation. This is basically already a thing for switch 1 where 3rd parties cheaped out and only put part of the game on cart now they just have another name for them officially as before it was just a tiny box on front. Can tell on here the people who actually have a switch and the outraged ones that pretend they do otherwise they’d have already known this lol.

 

[BlackTron]

Probably why the price of physical games went up because the bigger capacity of the cards.

Interesting to see loads online trying to spread misinformation. This is basically already a thing for switch 1 where 3rd parties cheaped out and only put part of the game on cart now they just have another name for them officially as before it was just a tiny box on front. Can tell on here the people who actually have a switch and the outraged ones that pretend they do otherwise they’d have already known this lol.

Yeah, except OP who owns "30 of the best physical games" for Switch.

 

[Gamerfan81]

Except that for the Japanese market they're selling it for $338. Apparently despite the "inflation" they're able to shave over 100 bucks off of the US MSRP there.

It's a local market for Japan, so they're going to make it cheaper for them.

If you're wondering why it's so expensive in some places like say the USA, well a new resident in Washington decided to impose tariffs on multiple countries and manufacturing countries.

It was well known that months ago with tariffs that imported stuff will be more expensive. So no, you're not going to get a Switch 2 for the same price as Japan.

 

[BlackTron]

I didn't realize until now, the system is only $340 in Japan.

It's fascinating that people knee-jerk to greedy Nintendo. No one can think of any reason a product like this could be more expensive in America than Asia?

Not even the smallest brainstorming before posting?

 

[captainnapalm]

The Switch 2 probably won't fail but this is not going to be good for the industry. Will gamers pay a premium to buy the handful of prime Nintendo releases every few years - probably. But rising prices are only going to continue making gamers more and more selective with their purchases - so a select few games succeed while most games struggle to find an audience. We're already seeing this with the $70 price tag. I tend to think that if prices were lower more people would buy more games.

 

[Osthyvel]

This is maybe one of the things I was looking forward to most of all, i have been hyped for years. I have money, no problem. But fook Nintendo, i will not support this, my og switch will do just fine for many years to come.