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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 1. Haswell, Crysis 3, and secret fairy sauce. Read da OP
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Soodanim
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What sort of prices can I realistically expect from Haswell and the new GPU lines? Can I expect to pay much more than I would if I got parts that are available now? I know nothing of PC part prices over time.
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/11OSh (the sort of level I'm going to go for)
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/11OSh (the sort of level I'm going to go for)
Haswell will be probably be priced the same as Ivy is right now, the new GPUs are an interesting one. The GTX 770 is priced similar to the 670, but the 780 is much more expensive than the 680, so we can't really know how the 760ti and below will be priced. Going to assume it will be the same as 660ti and below. The price of old parts probably won't go down.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
We're getting there.
Retail wise yes the ivy and haswell will probably be about the same price.
However...... if you have a microcenter around you, you can get the 3770k for 230, and get 40 off a mobo.
Thats some huge savings there. So i went with the 3770k and saved over a hundred bucks just a few weeks before haswell launches.
Just to clarify...
In Windows Sleep is Suspend to Ram. If you disable Hybrid Sleep in the advanced power options, your SSD is not used for sleep at all. Irregardless of that, aside from the downside of minimal power consumption there are three major upsides for me by using sleep: 1) I can use the PC almost the same instant I awaken it and 2) I can awaken the PC by moving my mouse and don't have to reach for the power button and 3) It's back in the state I last left it (e.g. open windows, window position, open programs, open settings etc.)
The 3rd advantage stays when using Hibernation mode as well. But then you definitely have a longer wake up time and tax your hdd/ssd. That being said the major concern I imagine is the "limited" read/write cycles an SSD has when using hibernate. But that number is fairly high so I doubt that this should be a worry for anyone at home though.
Horse Armour
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GHG
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http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_4770k_review,12.html
Overclocking looks pretty straight forwards. Similar results to Ivy from what I'm reading.
No change improvements in gaming performance over Ivy though:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_4770k_review,23.html
Overclocking looks pretty straight forwards. Similar results to Ivy from what I'm reading.
No change improvements in gaming performance over Ivy though:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_4770k_review,23.html
Update, the good old "wait and try it again in the morning" tactic worked here. No idea how or why.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Are there any good GTX 780 overclocking guides?
Is EVGA Precision the one to go for at the moment? for overclocking?
Is EVGA Precision the one to go for at the moment? for overclocking?
For that budget, you might also look i to the 7870 LE, since it is basically the same card as the 7950 but a lot cheaper. They can be found for around $200-$220 on sale and perform better than the 660 at default clock and overclock well:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...CH&Description=7870+LE&N=100006662&isNodeId=1
In limbo. Everyone has gotten tracking numbers but none have updated with anything.
Look for a Titan overclocking guide, I hear they are the same in the way it is overclocked.
"And although it appears we received fairly overclockable samples of the -4770K, industry consensus amongst the companies with hundreds of these chips on-hand is that, at safe input voltages, 4.3 or 4.4 GHz should be OK. The luckiest enthusiasts might get 4.5 or 4.6 GHz. Skill wont get you far; Haswell is all about luck of the draw due to its integrated voltage regulator. "
Guess I am looking at it as someone who was thinking of upgrading from SB. I was kind of set on upgrading, but now I'm going to wait on the 4670k reviews
Fuck.
The only saving grace would be if i3 chips come soon and you can BLCK overclock them.
The only saving grace would be if i3 chips come soon and you can BLCK overclock them.
I'll wait for some frame latency data, but my hopes are not high.
CoherentRambler
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The NDA on motherboards appears to have been lifted as 3D guru has published reviews of the MSI Z87 MPower MAX (http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_z87_mpower_max_review_motherboard,19.html) and Gigabyte G1 Sniper 5 (http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_z87_g1_sniper_5_review_motherboard,7.htm). I'm honestly disappointed in Haswell in terms of performance, but I am excited for this new generation of motherboards. Like the new gigabyte bios looks really cool.
j0hnny_385
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As a Core 2 Duo owner, I like what I'm seeing. I'll be moving to Haswell this month, if the financials permit it.
Even though I can understand the disappointment from SB/IB owners, my question is: why? It's not like you were gonna upgrade? Or...?
Even though I can understand the disappointment from SB/IB owners, my question is: why? It's not like you were gonna upgrade? Or...?
As a Core 2 Duo owner, I like what I'm seeing. I'll be moving to Haswell this month, if the financials permit it.
Even though I can understand the disappointment from SB/IB owners, my question is: why? It's not like you were gonna upgrade? Or...?
I think if it were able to do 5GHZ+ easily on air some people would have upgraded.
Had high hopes for overclocking.As a Core 2 Duo owner, I like what I'm seeing. I'll be moving to Haswell this month, if the financials permit it.
Even though I can understand the disappointment from SB/IB owners, my question is: why? It's not like you were gonna upgrade? Or...?
Now that OC potential seems bunk, marginal savings on power with a small % in speed are combined with a new socket that doesn't add anything for an enthusiast.
There is your updated OP right there.
HammerOfThor
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Are there any Haswell prices yet?
Edit: For a first time builder I should just go with Haswell for the new socket? Or should I get a current gen? Based on the early reviews now that there out.
Edit: For a first time builder I should just go with Haswell for the new socket? Or should I get a current gen? Based on the early reviews now that there out.
Buy it if you are on something older than Sandy Bridge.
Edit: you edited!!!
$339 for 4770K
tock, a very marginal at that.
A tock, like Sandy Bridge. Someone on Anand's comments called it a "tickle", which I liked
j0hnny_385
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Prices are in the OP (and on all review sites now)
IMHO, go for Haswell.
It's newer, it's somewhat faster, but most importantly, it's more future proof since it has LGA 1150 socket that will be used in the next architecture after Haswell (Broadwell).
It's a tock.
Depends on price. If they are same, I would say go ahead and get Haswell. You'll have the new socket motherboards with some imprivements and a potential upgrade path and it is a little faster.
If you find a deal wherein the Ivy and/or ivy motherboard equivalent ends up being cheaper, go with Ivy. You get better overclocking and save some cash.
Fuck.
The only saving grace would be if i3 chips come soon and you can BLCK overclock them.
I'll wait for some frame latency data, but my hopes are not high.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yesterday I thought I had decided to sleep on the 770, but after sleeping on it I have decided to go for it. I am currently at a 570 and a two year upgrade cycle is the norm for me. Waiting for 8xx will put me right in the middle of next gen console launches, so my PC wont be getting as much use. My thinking being, pick up a great card that can handle this year's most demanding games and early next gen ports, then pick up a refined/refreshed 8xx later down the line.
So, my lingering question is that of RAM. In the 770 thread there are lots of discussions on whether or not 2GB would be enough VRAM for the foreseeable future. (2 years, early next gen games) Personally I feel like, at least for the initial next gen games through 2013/2014, the 770 will handle those ports just fine. Do I really need 4GB right now? Should I wait for 4GB models to become available?
Thanks.
So, my lingering question is that of RAM. In the 770 thread there are lots of discussions on whether or not 2GB would be enough VRAM for the foreseeable future. (2 years, early next gen games) Personally I feel like, at least for the initial next gen games through 2013/2014, the 770 will handle those ports just fine. Do I really need 4GB right now? Should I wait for 4GB models to become available?
Thanks.
There haven't been any conclusive tests that demonstrate the 680/770 (it's the same card) performs better with 4GB than 2GB, even when memory is pushed to the limit. It has a fairly limited memory bandwidth, which reduces it's performance when it's memory is tapped out.
BUT, it might end up performing better. There's just no way to say for sure.
IMO, just go for it now. The 4GB will cost more, and by the time 4gb will be the norm the 770 is way to slow. you can safe the money that you spare by buying 2gb instead of 4gb for a new gpu in 1.5/2 years.
This was sort of my gut feeling, thanks. I'll go with 2GB, I honestly don't see it being much of an issue for at least the foreseeable future, and if it ever became one like you said, I'd probably be looking to upgrade anyways.
Any model recommendations? I'm a fan of EVGA and this is what I've been looking at.
Yeah, from what I'm reading, that EVGA dual fan cooler looks to be the new king.
That's what I'm recommending as the premiere non-reference cooler.
JustProgress
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I just got the Gigabyte Windforce and it's amazing. So quiet and powerful compared to my old 580.
I made a post about this earlier. Hope it helps. This is just my opinion. I'll leave it below:
My opinion comes partly from reading the 770 review from anandtech:
"Having 2GB of RAM doesnt impose any real problems today, but Im left to wonder for how much longer thats going to be true. The wildcard in all of this will be the next-generation consoles, each of which packs 8GB of RAM, which is quite a lot of RAM for video operations even after everything else is accounted for. With most PC games being ports of console games, theres a decent risk of 2GB cards being undersized when used with high resolutions and the highest quality art assets.....The solution for better or worse is doubling the GTX 770 to 4GB. GTX 770 is capable of housing 4GB, and NVIDIAs partners will be selling 4GB cards in the near future, so 4GB cards will at least be an option.....4GB would certainly make the GTX 770 future-proof in that respect, and I suspect its a good idea for anyone on a long upgrade cycle, but as always this is a bit of a gamble."
And I agree with anadtech and also suggest going with the 4GB if you can because a few years ago I got myself an MSI 560Ti Hawk. Yes I picked the super OC'ed edition over the no/less OC'ed 2GB version and that was my mistake. When it comes to running BF3 on Ultra or Crysis 3 on Ultra in 1080p, there are no major issues, but occasionally there can be alot of stuttering, and I understand this is due to my 1GB ram limit. Meaning I have to compromise and turn down shadows, AA etc. I can't remember exactly but I read somewhere that BF3 on Ultra at 1080p should at least have more than 1GB available on the graphics card.
But if you picked up the 770 at 2GB, that's a great buy!! Definitely a good, buy I wish I could buy that in fact if I had the $ (also the stock cooler looks damn sweet). Right now and probably for the next 6 months at least it's gonna be way more than sufficient to run all the ports and PC games at 1080p at least at Ultra settings I'm quite sure.
I was just suggesting that if you were going to buy a 770 right now, might as well go for the 4GB version if you can. Seems like the best route to pick for future games/ports (even though we know future proofing your PC is just about the most useless thing one can do
) Also, I think anad mentioned a price difference of about $30-40 more, which isn't too much. Also depends on what brand you're going for I guess (I'm thinking MSI )All the best!
If you take a reference card brand doesnt matter, for aftermarket cards EVGA is not a bad choice. But you have to take note you can easily overclock yourself and safe a bit of money.
according to some sites the launch price of the 4gb will be 499$, wich is like 80 dollars more then the EVGA SC you linked.
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