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"I Need a New PC!" 2020. Ray Tracing. 120Hz-360Hz. Next-Gen Already.

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GHG

Gold Member
How does this build look?

I will be on using it with a Asus ROG Strix XG279Q monitor for 1440p gaming (mostly AAA games like Cyberpunk and RDR2 and various FPS games, but nothing competitive).

Not going to use it for streaming or video editing, and I will not overclocking. I will have a dual monitor setup, though.

My current build has lasted 5 years, so a similar time frame for this one would be preferable. I am not planning on upgrading hardware along the way, so future proofing isn't a priority.

Thanks for your time.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor ($294.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler ($35.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z490M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card ($499.99 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Best Buy)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1324.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-05 08:08 EDT-0400

If you're not planning on overclocking and you want to keep the system for a while then I'd suggest getting the 10700 (non-k) over the 10600k https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-10700-core-i7-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118126?&quicklink=true

That will get you a 8 core 16 thread CPU for just a little but more money ($35), I find 6 core CPU's difficult to recommend at the moment unless it's a stop-gap and you plan on upgrading it in the next year or two.

Apart from that it looks good unless you would also consider an AMD 3700x build with a matx B550 board?
 

watershoppe

Neo Member
If you're not planning on overclocking and you want to keep the system for a while then I'd suggest getting the 10700 (non-k) over the 10600k https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-10700-core-i7-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118126?&quicklink=true

That will get you a 8 core 16 thread CPU for just a little but more money ($35), I find 6 core CPU's difficult to recommend at the moment unless it's a stop-gap and you plan on upgrading it in the next year or two.

Apart from that it looks good unless you would also consider an AMD 3700x build with a matx B550 board?

Thanks for your response. I'll look into the 10700 instead. I mainly went with Intel because it's the brand I've used in all my previous builds (never had any issues).
 

V1LÆM

Gold Member
How does this build look?

I will be on using it with a Asus ROG Strix XG279Q monitor for 1440p gaming (mostly AAA games like Cyberpunk and RDR2 and various FPS games, but nothing competitive).

Not going to use it for streaming or video editing, and I will not overclocking. I will have a dual monitor setup, though.

My current build has lasted 5 years, so a similar time frame for this one would be preferable. I am not planning on upgrading hardware along the way, so future proofing isn't a priority.

Thanks for your time.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor ($294.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler ($35.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z490M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card ($499.99 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Best Buy)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1324.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-05 08:08 EDT-0400
If you want that to last 5 years you will need to go for an 8 core CPU and 32GB RAM. Get the i7-10700K. You might not want to overclock now but if you want it to last as long as possible then better with one that can overclock.

Oh and a better cooler. The 212 would be good enough but only just. Get a decent Noctua or BeQuiet cooler.

6 core + 16GB is fine for now but give it a couple years and it will struggle. I have seen games use as much as 13GB RAM so that doesn't leave you much breathing room. Next gen consoles are gonna make games demand more cores + ram.
 
If you want that to last 5 years you will need to go for an 8 core CPU and 32GB RAM. Get the i7-10700K. You might not want to overclock now but if you want it to last as long as possible then better with one that can overclock.

Oh and a better cooler. The 212 would be good enough but only just. Get a decent Noctua or BeQuiet cooler.

6 core + 16GB is fine for now but give it a couple years and it will struggle. I have seen games use as much as 13GB RAM so that doesn't leave you much breathing room. Next gen consoles are gonna make games demand more cores + ram.

The z490 platform is upgradable to Rocket Lake. I just pulled the trigger on a 10600k build and will probably bump up to 8 cores depending on how improved RL is. In any case, 6 cores and 12 threads will be plenty for gaming for years to come, especially with overclocking.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
How does this build look?

I will be on using it with a Asus ROG Strix XG279Q monitor for 1440p gaming (mostly AAA games like Cyberpunk and RDR2 and various FPS games, but nothing competitive).

Not going to use it for streaming or video editing, and I will not overclocking. I will have a dual monitor setup, though.

My current build has lasted 5 years, so a similar time frame for this one would be preferable. I am not planning on upgrading hardware along the way, so future proofing isn't a priority.

Thanks for your time.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor ($294.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler ($35.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z490M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card ($499.99 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Best Buy)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ B&H)
Total: $1324.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-05 08:08 EDT-0400
ASUS Prime motherboards are not known to be very good. For a good Z490 mobo you will need to spend over $200. It will probably be fine. The cooler you have is pushing it, but should be OK.
 
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GHG

Gold Member
Thanks for your response. I'll look into the 10700 instead. I mainly went with Intel because it's the brand I've used in all my previous builds (never had any issues).

Fair enough, a 3700x B550 AMD build would be similarly priced but you wouldn't need to worry about getting a cooler (the one included is sufficient for the 3700x at stock settings) and you will also have access to PCIe 4.0 for NVMe drives and future graphics cards. I'd suggest looking into it because there are no differences in the build process and there are a few additional perks (I've just built an AMD PC having spent the last decade on Intel builds).

Also JohnnyFootball JohnnyFootball mentioned the cooler being an issue and I'm inclined to agree since the new Intel chips run a bit on the hot side. The arctic freezer 34 is a much better buy for similar money - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MJGNJB3/?tag=neogaf0e-20
 
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Soodanim

Member
I was reading my mobo manual (I don't judge you) and found the exact supported m.2 SSD type (2280, M key) which is lovely. Wasn't sure about the support before, as it's an ASUS Z-97A from the olden times of 6 years ago.

I currently have a 256GB SSD (boot), and 2x1TB HDD. I know, peasant life. I only have a couple 100GB of space left, and not much of it on the fast drive. I don't like that. Would you help me pick my m.2, GAF?

I've shortlisted a few that seem to be popular, and I'm looking for feedback.
Adata XPG8200 Pro
WD Blue
Crucial MX500
Sabrent Rocket (TLC version)

They're all in the same price range (+-£25), and speeds vary but I'm sure reliability does too.
Adata is highly rated on PCPP and CCL recommend it
WD is WD, seems like a safe choice but slower based on numbers
Crucial I included because my current SSD is one of theirs and it's done me well so far.
Sabrent is the popular Amazon choice. Picked the one above the cheap option as a review said QLC isn't great and TLC is better.

I only really follow tech details when I'm in shopping mode so I don't know anything about any of these products in terms of reliability or value for money. Please guide me!
 
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PhoenixTank

Member
I was reading my mobo manual (I don't judge you) and found the exact supported m.2 SSD type (2280, M key) which is lovely. Wasn't sure about the support before, as it's an ASUS Z-97A from the olden times of 6 years ago.
I can't exactly judge considering I just loaded the manual up myself :messenger_winking: . M key 2280 is pretty standard but on that old a chipset there are some caveats.
Your m.2 socket shares bandwidth with PCIEX1_1 & PCIEX1_2. These are both PCIE2 slots. It is unclear, but unless the m.2 slot has two lanes of its own to add on that might mean you only have two PCIE2 lanes available in that slot. The standard now is four PCIE3 lanes which works out as something like four times more available bandwidth. Best case, you've got half the peak throughput, worst case: a quarter.

Why am I mentioning this? My initial reaction was to suggest better SSDs out of the bunch and tell you to ignore the crappy ones... but if your bandwidth is really nerfed like that you may not see any real benefit to the more expensive ones. You'd be stuck in a limbo between SATA 3 and the speeds we expect from NVME.

Relevant thread, with a workaround expansion card, though lacking specific performance figures.

I currently have a 256GB SSD (boot), and 1x1TB HDD. I know, peasant life. I only have a couple 100GB of space left, and not much of it on the fast drive. I don't like that. Would you help me pick my m.2, GAF?

I've shortlisted a few that seem to be popular, and I'm looking for feedback.
Adata XPG8200 Pro
WD Blue
Crucial MX500
Sabrent Rocket (TLC version)

They're all in the same price range (+-£25), and speeds vary but I'm sure reliability does too.
Adata is highly rated on PCPP and CCL recommend it
WD is WD, seems like a safe choice but slower based on numbers
Crucial I included because my current SSD is one of theirs and it's done me well so far.
Sabrent is the popular Amazon choice. Picked the one above the cheap option as a review said QLC isn't great and TLC is better.

I only really follow tech details when I'm in shopping mode so I don't know anything about any of these products in terms of reliability or value for money. Please guide me!
Quick summary given the info I've posted above:
The WD Blue & MX500 you've linked are both basically SATA 3 drives. The 2.5" form factor SATA drives of the same name are equivalent.
The SN550 is an NVME version of that WD Blue and worth a look, but perhaps not for the price the 1TB drive seems to cost.

The Adata and the Sabrent Rocket are both a couple of tiers up from the SN550, but different controllers. QLC is still inferior in most cases. Might work for you if it saves money considering you're likely limited for peak throughput anyway.
Pretty sure that rocket is more or less equivalent to other Phison E12 drives, with the main differentiator being the warranty. Of those, I personally picked the Corsair MP510, but it doesn't look like the price has come back down to parity with the others again.

I don't have a good overall suggestion for you without knowing what you'd like to do about the first half of my post :messenger_grinning:
 

Darkone

Member
Hello,

So i have GA-Z97X-SLI with 4790K CPU, i update the bios yesterday to get support for M.2 NVME i purchased.
after i updated the bios i see that the CPU temperature is at 91 degrees.
booting windows mostly freezes, but one time i loaded fully and i got an error: whea_uncorrectable_error.
i googled that error up and i just don`t know where to start with finding what can be wrong (this is mostly hardware related error).

anyone got this error and figured out a solution?
 

Soodanim

Member
I can't exactly judge considering I just loaded the manual up myself :messenger_winking: . M key 2280 is pretty standard but on that old a chipset there are some caveats.
Your m.2 socket shares bandwidth with PCIEX1_1 & PCIEX1_2. These are both PCIE2 slots. It is unclear, but unless the m.2 slot has two lanes of its own to add on that might mean you only have two PCIE2 lanes available in that slot. The standard now is four PCIE3 lanes which works out as something like four times more available bandwidth. Best case, you've got half the peak throughput, worst case: a quarter.

Why am I mentioning this? My initial reaction was to suggest better SSDs out of the bunch and tell you to ignore the crappy ones... but if your bandwidth is really nerfed like that you may not see any real benefit to the more expensive ones. You'd be stuck in a limbo between SATA 3 and the speeds we expect from NVME.

Relevant thread, with a workaround expansion card, though lacking specific performance figures.


Quick summary given the info I've posted above:
The WD Blue & MX500 you've linked are both basically SATA 3 drives. The 2.5" form factor SATA drives of the same name are equivalent.
The SN550 is an NVME version of that WD Blue and worth a look, but perhaps not for the price the 1TB drive seems to cost.

The Adata and the Sabrent Rocket are both a couple of tiers up from the SN550, but different controllers. QLC is still inferior in most cases. Might work for you if it saves money considering you're likely limited for peak throughput anyway.
Pretty sure that rocket is more or less equivalent to other Phison E12 drives, with the main differentiator being the warranty. Of those, I personally picked the Corsair MP510, but it doesn't look like the price has come back down to parity with the others again.

I don't have a good overall suggestion for you without knowing what you'd like to do about the first half of my post :messenger_grinning:
Thank you for taking the time to help me, I appreciate it.

The expansion card is a good idea, but it seems to be rare now which limits my options:
  1. Go for a cheap option that won't be as wasted on this mobo
  2. Future proof for when I build a new system
  3. Wait for
    • A sale
    • What happens with prices/tech when I build
My plan is to build a new PC in the next year or so, once the new consoles have landed and the next gen of CPUs and any relevant sockets arrive. If I wait for DDR5 too, I might be able to give that extra bit of life to the system. That would depend on pricing, though. I'm in no rush as my system isn't sluggish.

Option 1 isn't an option. 2.5" SSDs are so close in price that it's not worth getting one at this point.
Option 2 is likely, but I run the (low?) risk of its value dropping before I even get to use it at full speed. But I'll have 1TB extra storage and at faster than HDD speeds at minimum.
 

Paracelsus

Member
Hello,

So i have GA-Z97X-SLI with 4790K CPU, i update the bios yesterday to get support for M.2 NVME i purchased.
after i updated the bios i see that the CPU temperature is at 91 degrees.
booting windows mostly freezes, but one time i loaded fully and i got an error: whea_uncorrectable_error.
i googled that error up and i just don`t know where to start with finding what can be wrong (this is mostly hardware related error).

anyone got this error and figured out a solution?

If you never had issues before, it's obviously cpu or motherboard.
What did you install other than the update? I'm assuming you already cleared the cmos and resetted the bios to default.
Did you touch the cpu or mess with the heatsink at all?
Are you sure you installed the right SSD drivers?
 

Darkone

Member
If you never had issues before, it's obviously cpu or motherboard.
What did you install other than the update? I'm assuming you already cleared the cmos and resetted the bios to default.
Did you touch the cpu or mess with the heatsink at all?
Are you sure you installed the right SSD drivers?

1. i did not install anything other then the bios.
2. i did not touch the heatsink or the CPU.
3. i did not installed the SSD drivers as i did not got to that because of windows not loading and keep freezing.
 

Paracelsus

Member
1. i did not install anything other then the bios.
2. i did not touch the heatsink or the CPU.
3. i did not installed the SSD drivers as i did not got to that because of windows not loading and keep freezing.

Did you try booting any operative system off usb? Ubuntu or whatever you have.
If you have any overclock, remove it, reset the bios.
If nothing works you have to downgrade the bios.
 

GHG

Gold Member
1. i did not install anything other then the bios.
2. i did not touch the heatsink or the CPU.
3. i did not installed the SSD drivers as i did not got to that because of windows not loading and keep freezing.

Check your voltages and fan curves are set up correctly in your bios. When you do a bios update it resets any changes you've previously made and sometimes the defaults are not the best settings.

What temperature readings are you getting while in the bios?
 

Darkone

Member
Check your voltages and fan curves are set up correctly in your bios. When you do a bios update it resets any changes you've previously made and sometimes the defaults are not the best settings.

What temperature readings are you getting while in the bios?

90 Degrees
 
Jumped back into PC gaming after a friend of mine has given me his hold rig. Got an AMD FX8350 which is still going strong but can tell it's starting to show it's age on CPU heavy ganes like Tarkov & Division 2. I am toying with the idea of upgrading to a Ryzen 5 based CPU. Maybe 3600. I have noticed that there is an X series of that CPU coming out so now I either have the following choices

Upgraded to the X series which is due out this month or wait until September for the 4 series. What do you all think?
 

GHG

Gold Member
there are allot of Voltage option, which one to check?
Clock speed is at 4ghz (if this is the correct one)

Vcore is the one you're looking for.

Also check the CPU fan settings, go to the health status area of the bios and see what the CPU fan speed is.
 

PhoenixTank

Member
Thank you for taking the time to help me, I appreciate it.
No problem, m.2 on these older boards has been a bit of a blind spot for me until now, so I get some benefit too :)
The expansion card is a good idea, but it seems to be rare now which limits my options:
Don't worry there are other cards to buy if you want to go down that route.

Something like the Silverstone SST-ECM25 is quite cheap and from a known brand (rather than the pages of "Who? What? China?" on Amazon)
CCL don't seem to carry anything like that, but Scan do. And Amazon have it in stock too.

Downside is that for best results you'll want to put it in your PCIEX16_2 slot which will pull down your GPU to x8 as well. You haven't listed your existing specs but dropping from PCIE3 16 to 8 usually isn't a big deal for performance, especially on older cards.

I'd be going for your option 2 (probably the 1TB TLC Rocket - make sure the market seller doesn't send you the wrong one!) and the expansion card tbh. Might keep you going until DDR5, as you say.

Jumped back into PC gaming after a friend of mine has given me his hold rig. Got an AMD FX8350 which is still going strong but can tell it's starting to show it's age on CPU heavy ganes like Tarkov & Division 2. I am toying with the idea of upgrading to a Ryzen 5 based CPU. Maybe 3600. I have noticed that there is an X series of that CPU coming out so now I either have the following choices

Upgraded to the X series which is due out this month or wait until September for the 4 series. What do you all think?
The XT parts aren't anything to write home about. If they're at the same price as the non-XT versions then it is a no brainer, but as it stands almost certainly not worth the extra money, given the discount from RRP on the original parts.

At this point I'd be holding out for the solid boost Zen3 is rumoured to bring but really that depends on your tolerance for the old pc.
 
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V1LÆM

Gold Member
Vcore is the one you're looking for.

Also check the CPU fan settings, go to the health status area of the bios and see what the CPU fan speed is.
actually, VR OUT is better to go with.

it's more accurate. i don't know the specifics but i think Vcore is read at the VRMs so doesn't take into account any resistance between the VRM + CPU.

edit: i think this might only be true for Z390 boards. not sure if true for Z97.
Hello,

So i have GA-Z97X-SLI with 4790K CPU, i update the bios yesterday to get support for M.2 NVME i purchased.
after i updated the bios i see that the CPU temperature is at 91 degrees.
booting windows mostly freezes, but one time i loaded fully and i got an error: whea_uncorrectable_error.
i googled that error up and i just don`t know where to start with finding what can be wrong (this is mostly hardware related error).

anyone got this error and figured out a solution?
curiously, what are the changes listed on the support site for this new BIOS version? is it just support for the m.2 drive?

looking on the support page for your motherboard it says that bios F7 supports NVME and improves m.2 compatability. is this the BIOS version you are on? there are newer versions such as F8 + F9. you could try updated to them even if the notes only suggest support for newer processors. there might be undocumented changes/fixes. don't install the F10b version as it's beta.

it's quite possible there are micro code updates and exploit mitigation patches installed which of course could affect performance. therefore, it's quite possible that if you had your CPU/RAM overclocked that it is now unstable. if you do have it overclocked then reset everything and see how it goes. if it's stable then overclock again to see if it crashes. you might need to dial back your OC a bit.

then again...WHEA error i think is a hardware issue. so it could be a problem with the new M.2 drive. i think i remember something about m.2 drives spitting out WHEA errors a while back. could you go into event viewer program and check under Applications and Services > Microsoft > Windows > Kernal-WHEA > Errors

also, i would recommend downloading bluescreenview and running your crash dump in it. when you BSOD it will create a dump. bluescreenview should tell you what caused the crash.
 
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Darkone

Member
actually, VR OUT is better to go with.

it's more accurate. i don't know the specifics but i think Vcore is read at the VRMs so doesn't take into account any resistance between the VRM + CPU.

edit: i think this might only be true for Z390 boards. not sure if true for Z97.

curiously, what are the changes listed on the support site for this new BIOS version? is it just support for the m.2 drive?

looking on the support page for your motherboard it says that bios F7 supports NVME and improves m.2 compatability. is this the BIOS version you are on? there are newer versions such as F8 + F9. you could try updated to them even if the notes only suggest support for newer processors. there might be undocumented changes/fixes. don't install the F10b version as it's beta.

it's quite possible there are micro code updates and exploit mitigation patches installed which of course could affect performance. therefore, it's quite possible that if you had your CPU/RAM overclocked that it is now unstable. if you do have it overclocked then reset everything and see how it goes. if it's stable then overclock again to see if it crashes. you might need to dial back your OC a bit.

then again...WHEA error i think is a hardware issue. so it could be a problem with the new M.2 drive. i think i remember something about m.2 drives spitting out WHEA errors a while back. could you go into event viewer program and check under Applications and Services > Microsoft > Windows > Kernal-WHEA > Errors

also, i would recommend downloading bluescreenview and running your crash dump in it. when you BSOD it will create a dump. bluescreenview should tell you what caused the crash.


I am on F9 version.
I removed the nvme and now the pc is running ok so far with no freezing.
What should i see on the event viewer?
 

kiphalfton

Member
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GHG

Gold Member
Got this yesterday from Amazon for $40 (no longer on sale as of right now).


Never heard of Reeven before, but for the price I don't expect a whole lot.

For that money you'd be much better off getting an Arctic Freezer 34:


Or a 34 duo for a little bit more money.

A CPU cooler is not something I'd personally be comfortable gambling with.
 

PhoenixTank

Member
Got this yesterday from Amazon for $40 (no longer on sale as of right now).


Never heard of Reeven before, but for the price I don't expect a whole lot.
From 2015. Not horrendous, but the fans are noisy. DH15 has comparatively survived the test of time much better since then... but you got this at about half the price. Unsure how that stacks up against GHG's suggestions, but I wouldn't be running this one on anything but low fan speeds.
 

kiphalfton

Member
Keep hearing murmurs about this Club 3D 4K 120 adapter. What exactly does it do?

Is there any value in it if...
a) I don't have an Nvidia Turing graphics card (and have something from a previous gen from either Nvidia or AMD).
b) I'm going to buy an Nvidia Ampere graphics card.

I ask about point "a" above, as I have seen a video saying it only works for the Nvidia rtx 2070/2080 and for AMD 5500/5600/5700.

I have a LG B9 OLED TV.
 
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Went from a 28" Upstar 4k60 TN to a 27" LG gn850 1440p 144hz HDR IPS and finally settled on 32" curved Dell 3220dgf VA 165hz HDR. Now that I have experienced high FPS gaming, never going back!

Tom's hardware rated the Dell it's favorite 1440p gaming monitor with 2nd highest contrast they have ever measured on a monitor. The LG had amazing motion and great colors though a bit oversaturated, but it's contrast was terrible. The Dell satisfies my Oled taste in TV's. Surprisingly, the Dells VA colors are as good as the IPS, motion is excellent, and it's contrast blows away the LG which is very popular unit.

Taken same time of day with my pixel 4. it should be noted that there are some reflections in the LG picture that is not backlight bleed. HDR also works beautifully on this monitor, highly recommended!
jovBuD.jpg

jovdZ3.jpg
 
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Darkone

Member
Ok, so i managed to downgrade the bios to its original version and it solved the freezing problem, turns out the NVME i added is showing in windows but not in the bios UI.
as long the NVME is working, the hell with upgrading the bios again.
Thanks for everyone who tried to help!!!

A little tip, before anyone upgrade the bios version make sure you can downgrade from that version, i went from F3 TO F9 directly and it turns out that from F8 version and up there was no downgrade option.
i had to do the downgrade from Dos and not directly from the bios, with third party programs and it was hard to find the right one for a 6 old years MOBO,
 
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Darkone

Member
Went from a 28" Upstar 4k60 TN to a 27" LG gn850 1440p 144hz HDR IPS and finally settled on 32" curved Dell 3220dgf VA 165hz HDR. Now that I have experienced high FPS gaming, never going back!

Tom's hardware rated the Dell it's favorite 1440p gaming monitor with 2nd highest contrast they have ever measured on a monitor. The LG had amazing motion and great colors though a bit oversaturated, but it's contrast was terrible. The Dell satisfies my Oled taste in TV's. Surprisingly, the Dells VA colors are as good as the IPS, motion is excellent, and it's contrast blows away the LG which is very popular unit.

Taken same time of day with my pixel 4. it should be noted that there are some reflections in the LG picture that is not backlight bleed. HDR also works beautifully on this monitor, highly recommended!
jovBuD.jpg

jovdZ3.jpg

The black level on the dell is way better then on the LG but there is still grayness at the edges but its still better from what you had.
 

God Enel

Member
I’m just gonna quote myself as I didn’t find this thread and posted in the off topic


so I’m gonna build a new pc (for cyberpunk and the future) and I’m in desperate need of help.

So my current pc is from 2010 or so (still running a GeForce 570 lol) and I’m looking to replace the old guy with something fresh.

looking to spend about 1000-1500€ for the interior. I already bought the case (Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C Black) and I need the rest lol.

But dont know a lot about cpu, mainboards, bottlenecks between all this shit, graphic cards and so on.

Afaik most of my friends recommended me a amd ryzen and a GeForce, 16gb of RAM and a Samsung ssd (think it was a Evo plus 570?)
As I don’t know about the differences between and 3,5,7,9 and so on what would you recommend me? Was looking at a Rtx 2080 super but I read that you get basically 85% of its power for half the price when you buy a 5700 XT.
What’s better for gaming (not doing much else on the pc)? Should I go with a GeForce or buy a amd graphics card?

Btw don’t know shit about mainboards and the differences between 3600 cl17 and cl 20 .. (im not into overclocking and so on)

One last thing. Are there any 144hz 24’ monitors out there that are good? I’d rather wanna have two 24 inch monitors than one with 27 inch. (Not counting in the monitor in the pc building budget). I wanna play in WQHD and not in FHD.
 

Ascend

Member
I’m just gonna quote myself as I didn’t find this thread and posted in the off topic


so I’m gonna build a new pc (for cyberpunk and the future) and I’m in desperate need of help.

So my current pc is from 2010 or so (still running a GeForce 570 lol) and I’m looking to replace the old guy with something fresh.

looking to spend about 1000-1500€ for the interior. I already bought the case (Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C Black) and I need the rest lol.

But dont know a lot about cpu, mainboards, bottlenecks between all this shit, graphic cards and so on.

Afaik most of my friends recommended me a amd ryzen and a GeForce, 16gb of RAM and a Samsung ssd (think it was a Evo plus 570?)
As I don’t know about the differences between and 3,5,7,9 and so on what would you recommend me? Was looking at a Rtx 2080 super but I read that you get basically 85% of its power for half the price when you buy a 5700 XT.
What’s better for gaming (not doing much else on the pc)? Should I go with a GeForce or buy a amd graphics card?

Btw don’t know shit about mainboards and the differences between 3600 cl17 and cl 20 .. (im not into overclocking and so on)

One last thing. Are there any 144hz 24’ monitors out there that are good? I’d rather wanna have two 24 inch monitors than one with 27 inch. (Not counting in the monitor in the pc building budget). I wanna play in WQHD and not in FHD.
Buying a graphics card right now is not really a good idea. We're on the verge of getting new ones with much better features. But if you HAVE to build your system right now, for $1000-$1500, this is what I recommend;

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (€173.95 @ CD-ROM-LAND)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (€189.00 @ CD-ROM-LAND)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (€173.00 @ Azerty)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (€69.85 @ Megekko)
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (€146.85 @ Megekko)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB GAMING OC 3X Video Card (€542.95 @ Azerty)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€99.90 @ CD-ROM-LAND)
Total: €1395.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-13 19:57 CEST+0200


I took prices from the Netherlands. I'm not sure where you're from, but prices shouldn't differ too much if you're in Europe...

I chose the R5 3600 because it is the best bang for buck right now. You can easily go for something with more cores if you have some money to spare. Or you simply get this and wait to upgrade when the next Zen CPUs (4000 series) are announced and upgrade then.
I took 32GB because even though 16GB is enough right now, I suspect it won't be in less than 5 years. And you use your PC a long time apparently. You can drop this to 16GB if you so wish, and spend more on another component.
I used two storage drives. One for Windows and one for your games. Both NVMe. Optionally you can go a SATA drive for Windows, which would leave another NVMe slot free for the future. There's barely any price difference between SATA and NVMe SSDs nowadays.
I took a B550 motherboard, simply because they have more features and are of better quality than B450 boards. If you wish to save on that, the B450 Tomahawk will also do the job.
I took the RTX 2070S, because anything more than that is entering the area of diminishing returns. You can also go for the 5700XT for €100 less at the cost of about 5% less performance. I personally prefer the 5700XT. Or you pay €200 more for a 2080S which gives you about 15% more performance. If you want a 2080 Ti (about 25% more performance), you're going to have to fork out at least €1150 on just the card.
Power supply speaks for itself.

As for monitors... Have you consider an Ultrawide 34"?
 
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God Enel

Member
Buying a graphics card right now is not really a good idea. We're on the verge of getting new ones with much better features. But if you HAVE to build your system right now, for $1000-$1500, this is what I recommend;

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (€173.95 @ CD-ROM-LAND)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (€189.00 @ CD-ROM-LAND)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (€173.00 @ Azerty)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (€69.85 @ Megekko)
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (€146.85 @ Megekko)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB GAMING OC 3X Video Card (€542.95 @ Azerty)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€99.90 @ CD-ROM-LAND)
Total: €1395.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-13 19:57 CEST+0200


I took prices from the Netherlands. I'm not sure where you're from, but prices shouldn't differ too much if you're in Europe...

I chose the R5 3600 because it is the best bang for buck right now. You can easily go for something with more cores if you have some money to spare. Or you simply get this and wait to upgrade when the next Zen CPUs (4000 series) are announced and upgrade then.
I took 32GB because even though 16GB is enough right now, I suspect it won't be in less than 5 years. And you use your PC a long time apparently. You can drop this to 16GB if you so wish, and spend more on another component.
I used two storage drives. One for Windows and one for your games. Both NVMe. Optionally you can go a SATA drive for Windows, which would leave another NVMe slot free for the future. There's barely any price difference between SATA and NVMe SSDs nowadays.
I took a B550 motherboard, simply because they have more features and are of better quality than B450 boards. If you wish to save on that, the B450 Tomahawk will also do the job.
I took the RTX 2070S, because anything more than that is entering the area of diminishing returns. You can also go for the 5700XT for €100 less at the cost of about 5% less performance. I personally prefer the 5700XT. Or you pay €200 more for a 2080S which gives you about 15% more performance. If you want a 2080 Ti (about 25% more performance), you're going to have to fork out at least €1150 on just the card.
Power supply speaks for itself.

As for monitors... Have you consider an Ultrawide 34"?


thanks for your input. I can wait with the PC.. actually I bought the case because I saw a good deal (around 30-40 bucks cheaper than usual). I'm living in germany btw. so the european prices are okay and you're right they won't differ as much.

The TI is too expensive for me personally. I dont want to put that much money in a graphics card. Even the 2080 super is quite a lot.

When would you recommend to buy a new one? When the 3080 drops? are the prices for the older graphic cards going to drop (i.e. 2080)? Read a little bit online and some people say that the prices won't change that much.


And you're right I'm not a guy who upgrades his pc from time to time. I build/buy it and then I want it to last for quite a while. As I said my current PC is about 10 years old, and I hope the new one is gonna last that long as well.
 

GHG

Gold Member
thanks for your input. I can wait with the PC.. actually I bought the case because I saw a good deal (around 30-40 bucks cheaper than usual). I'm living in germany btw. so the european prices are okay and you're right they won't differ as much.

The TI is too expensive for me personally. I dont want to put that much money in a graphics card. Even the 2080 super is quite a lot.

When would you recommend to buy a new one? When the 3080 drops? are the prices for the older graphic cards going to drop (i.e. 2080)? Read a little bit online and some people say that the prices won't change that much.


And you're right I'm not a guy who upgrades his pc from time to time. I build/buy it and then I want it to last for quite a while. As I said my current PC is about 10 years old, and I hope the new one is gonna last that long as well.

If you want your new PC to last as long then I'd recommend at least 32gb of ram (2 sticks of 16GB) as a starting point and going for at least a 8 core/16 thread CPU (3700x and above).

Ideally you want a system where you can just upgrade the GPU and add more ram if need be in the future while the rest remains untouched.

The added benefit of going with a b550 ryzen build is that you also have compatibility with a 16 core/32 thread CPU (3950x) that you can also upgrade to in the future. There's also PCIe 4.0.

Basically, get the best ryzen build you can at the moment and it will give you a good platform with multiple upgrade paths that will last you a while.
 

Ascend

Member
When would you recommend to buy a new one? When the 3080 drops? are the prices for the older graphic cards going to drop (i.e. 2080)? Read a little bit online and some people say that the prices won't change that much.
Honestly, I never expect nVidia to drop prices on their own. However, AMD is going to release their next generation cards this year. Looking at the specifications of the consoles, they can probably make these cards for very cheap prices, and will have great performance which would allow them to put pressure on nVidia. I am personally waiting for this to upgrade my graphics card which is currently 5 years old almost.
Even if prices don't change that much, the nVidia cards will supposedly have much better ray tracing and new features for superior DLSS support. No things you want to miss out on, especially if you're gonna spend €500 or more. And current AMD cards don't have RT, but will have them with their new cards... So yeah. Many factors are in play.
 

Leonidas

AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
When would you recommend to buy a new one? When the 3080 drops? are the prices for the older graphic cards going to drop (i.e. 2080)? Read a little bit online and some people say that the prices won't change that much.

The old cards will go out of stock, though you maybe be able to find them used at a fair price as people sell their old cards to fund the next-gen. If you want a card now your best option is 2070 Super if you want next-gen features like DX12 Ultimate support (RT, VRS, etc.) at a reasonable price.

If you can wait 2-3 months then wait for the 3080, if you can wait a little longer than that the 3070 should not be too far behind and who knows, maybe even AMD will make a high end GPU worth buying for the first time in ages.
 
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God Enel

Member
Won’t the 3080 be 800-900€++??

Right now I’ll go for sure with the 32gb of ram. That was my initial plan to stack up a little more and be “more future proof” so to say.

when is amd going to release their next gen cards? As I said I’m not in a hurry. I want to have it ready when cyberpunk drops as I want to enjoy it with ~maxed our settings :)

i dont mind spending a bit more than 1500 like
100 bucks or so but not 1800-2000.
But basically you guys say I should wait until the new cards drop. Can I buy the ram / motherboard / cpu and so on earlier and just wait for the card or are new cpus releasing as wel around that timeframe?!
 

Leonidas

AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
But basically you guys say I should wait until the new cards drop. Can I buy the ram / motherboard / cpu and so on earlier and just wait for the card or are new cpus releasing as wel around that timeframe?!

AMD has confirmed Zen3 will be launching this year which could be a nice improvement over Zen2.
 

Ascend

Member
Won’t the 3080 be 800-900€++??

Right now I’ll go for sure with the 32gb of ram. That was my initial plan to stack up a little more and be “more future proof” so to say.

when is amd going to release their next gen cards? As I said I’m not in a hurry. I want to have it ready when cyberpunk drops as I want to enjoy it with ~maxed our settings :)

i dont mind spending a bit more than 1500 like
100 bucks or so but not 1800-2000.
But basically you guys say I should wait until the new cards drop. Can I buy the ram / motherboard / cpu and so on earlier and just wait for the card or are new cpus releasing as wel around that timeframe?!
There's no clarification on the release date of the next Ryzen series. All we know is that they are supposed to drop this year. I would not wait for the CPU. The Ryzen 3000 series are good enough. Worst of the worst, you can drop a 3300X in your motherboard as a placeholder to get a more powerful 4000 series CPU.

As for next gen AMD GPUs, it's fall 2020. That would mean before winter 2020, which means it should be before Dec 21st. But it's likely much earlier than that, because AMD confirmed their graphics cards will be launching before the release of the PS5 and the Xbox Series X. I suspect the consoles will be released around thanksgiving or cyber Monday. It's likely we'll see the release before Cyberpunk 2077. Rumors are that AMD wanted to announce the cards at Computex (September), but Computex has been cancelled. So my guess is October for release of these cards.

As for nVidia, they wanted to announce their cards in August and launch during Computex... But those are rumors and we don't know for sure.
 

God Enel

Member
There's no clarification on the release date of the next Ryzen series. All we know is that they are supposed to drop this year. I would not wait for the CPU. The Ryzen 3000 series are good enough. Worst of the worst, you can drop a 3300X in your motherboard as a placeholder to get a more powerful 4000 series CPU.

As for next gen AMD GPUs, it's fall 2020. That would mean before winter 2020, which means it should be before Dec 21st. But it's likely much earlier than that, because AMD confirmed their graphics cards will be launching before the release of the PS5 and the Xbox Series X. I suspect the consoles will be released around thanksgiving or cyber Monday. It's likely we'll see the release before Cyberpunk 2077. Rumors are that AMD wanted to announce the cards at Computex (September), but Computex has been cancelled. So my guess is October for release of these cards.

As for nVidia, they wanted to announce their cards in August and launch during Computex... But those are rumors and we don't know for sure.

So you convinced me to wait until the new cards are shown/ released.
Should I still buy slowly some of the other parts ( i.e. ram, cooling, and the smaller stuff) or should I wait and buy all the stuff at once, when everything is released?
 

V1LÆM

Gold Member
So you convinced me to wait until the new cards are shown/ released.
Should I still buy slowly some of the other parts ( i.e. ram, cooling, and the smaller stuff) or should I wait and buy all the stuff at once, when everything is released?
i'd buy everything at once but that's just me. do whatever suits you financially.

just beware you could be well beyond any return period if something goes wrong. if it's faulty then it'll still be under warranty.
 

Ascend

Member
So you convinced me to wait until the new cards are shown/ released.
Should I still buy slowly some of the other parts ( i.e. ram, cooling, and the smaller stuff) or should I wait and buy all the stuff at once, when everything is released?
I generally agree with the post above. It's wiser to buy any component that needs to work in conjunction with other components, all at the same time. If something is wrong with one of them, it's a lot easier to get it replaced. It's harder if you want to return/replace an item a couple of months down the road.

That being said, one thing to take into account is that many components jumped in price during the covid situation in some areas. I don't know how it was where you live. Things have started normalizing again, but right now the market prices still have the potential to become volatile again. I don't really expect it again; if I was I wouldn't be telling you to hold off on buying the graphics card, but you never know. And if you find a particularly good deal like you did with your PC case, by all means, buy it. But the bulk should be as 'late' as possible.

You can buy everything and use your older stuff as a placeholder as well. If your graphics card is PCIe, you can basically buy everything now, build it, use your old graphics card in the mean time, and afterwards replace only the graphics card. At least you'll know everything works. If you care about Assassin's Creed Valhalla, buying certain Ryzen CPUs now will get you that game for free...

So yeah, it's really up to you.
 

Rikkori

Member
BOOM :lollipop_bomb:! SSD narrative in absolute shambles. PCI-e 3.0 x4 NVME bros rest easy! :messenger_heart:

The streaming buffer for the UE5 demo was 768MB. Thank Gaben for all that extra vram and RAM. 🙏

 

Ascend

Member
Ascend Ascend and @blly155 thanks guys. I’ll wait then and buy everything at the same time. I’m gonna come back to you in 2 months or so to see if you would change the configuration you posted. Thank you guys. You helped me a lot and I really appreciate it.
You're welcome. I'm not always active in this thread, so if I fail to see your message in the future, feel free to tag me or send me a personal message.
 

Type_Raver

Member
Anyone else super pumped for the next gen graphics cards?!

Nvidias Ampere looks like a big step forward in ray tracing performance, plus the usual fps increases too.
Then there's AMD with their RDNA2 which based on many positive leaks/rumours, will finally give nvidia a match...hopefully with a price to challenge nvidia too!

I just sold off my rtx 2060 while it still holds some value, and right now I'm really keen to see what both end up being. I'm happy to get either one at this time, but I do prefer to have better ray tracing performance.
 
Last week I ordered some parts to prepare for the next few years. 10900k, new rog gaming e motherboard, 32 gb ram (overkill but I don’t wanna deal with ram for a long time) and I’m just waiting for the new nvidia cards to drop.
 

kiphalfton

Member
Here's what I expect the second hand market to look like once all the ampere graphics cards (3060, 3070, 3080, 3080 Ti) come out:

RTX 2060: $200
RTX 2060 Super: $250
RTX 2070: $275
RTX 2070 Super: $325
RTX 2080: $375
RTX 2080 Super: $500

I expect the RTX 3060 to cost $400, the RTX 3070 to cost $500, the RTX 3080 to cost $700, and the RTX 3080 Ti cost $1k.

So it is written so shall it be.
 
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