Bojji
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MLID, he somehow thinks Sony can release a console with 40GB of GDDR7 memory for $499
MLiD is like Ai, sometimes he gives good info and sometimes he is hallucinating.
If the 40 GB RAM rumors for the PS6 are true, PC gamers are in big trouble
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MLiD is like Ai, sometimes he gives good info and sometimes he is hallucinating.
Corporal.Hicks
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It's possible that the early PS6 dev kits offer around 40 GB of RAM, because developers may need that, but I just can't imagine the retail PS6 having that much. The 60 series is set to be launched by Nvidia next year, and I doubt they will provide 24 GB of VRAM in their mainstream GPUs, let alone 40 GB.
But even if Sony really plans to build a retail PS6 with 40 GB of RAM, it doesn't mean that developers will allocate all of it to the GPU. OS will consume few gigs, and games also need system ram. On my current PC, some games consume 20 GB of system RAM and up to 16 GB of VRAM, that's already 36 GB of RAM.
But even if Sony really plans to build a retail PS6 with 40 GB of RAM, it doesn't mean that developers will allocate all of it to the GPU. OS will consume few gigs, and games also need system ram. On my current PC, some games consume 20 GB of system RAM and up to 16 GB of VRAM, that's already 36 GB of RAM.
ecosse_011172
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forsakkenSoul
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The concern makes sense but it's kinda overblown. You can't just 1:1 translate console RAM to PC VRAM since the architectures are different, plus devs always scale settings. Still, 8 GB is basically dead and even 12 GB is already tight. For the next few years 16 GB is gonna be the safe spot.
Also worth noting, the Supers are launching near the end of the year, with the new models packing way more VRAM at basically the same price as the current ones. So Nvidia is (finally?) waking up to the VRAM situation. On top of that, Nvidia has been working on tech like Neural Texture Compression and improvements in DLSS that can reduce VRAM usage in games a lot.
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Also worth noting, the Supers are launching near the end of the year, with the new models packing way more VRAM at basically the same price as the current ones. So Nvidia is (finally?) waking up to the VRAM situation. On top of that, Nvidia has been working on tech like Neural Texture Compression and improvements in DLSS that can reduce VRAM usage in games a lot.
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Bojji
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Nvidia will be quite generous with VRAM starting Q4 this year: 24GB for 5070ti SUPER and 5080 SUPER. 18GB for 5070.
6xxx series will have AT LEAST the same amounts for xx70 and up. xx60 will probably be fucked like usual, lol.
Hawk The Slayer
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Even if it somehow is true or even beyond that and PS6 comes out with the best possible most ideal and price ratio ever being way stronger than PC. I still won't go back to console as mods and being able to use a PC for everything is just too important. The PC will be turned on almost all the time when I'm home while the console becomes inactive after playing the few games I like from it until another good game comes
Topher
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Bojji
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Should have gone with "generous". They are only doing it because of 3GB modules, not from good heart.
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delishcaek
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Mainstream GPUs like the GTX760 had 2GB VRAM when the PS4/XO came out. It took until 2016 (the GTX 10XX series) before 8GB cards became a necessity.
And the same happened with the launch of the PS5/XSX. 8GB cards were the norm in 2020 and we have just reached the point last year where 12GB started to become the minimum, but 16GB is recommended.
Like I am pretty confident that any 16GB card right now will be enough to carry you through the first two years of the next console generation. Long enough to wait out the next GPU launch, where you will get a GPU that outperforms the PS6.
Just like any other new generation.
And the same happened with the launch of the PS5/XSX. 8GB cards were the norm in 2020 and we have just reached the point last year where 12GB started to become the minimum, but 16GB is recommended.
Like I am pretty confident that any 16GB card right now will be enough to carry you through the first two years of the next console generation. Long enough to wait out the next GPU launch, where you will get a GPU that outperforms the PS6.
Just like any other new generation.
Dorfdad
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Won't matter to me as I'll be playing on GeForce Now. Maxing out a subscription is about 300 a year and with the new Blackwell stuff I'll be playing on my tv at 4k/120.
I'll probably get a console at some point but riding my ps5 Pro for the next 10 years for those games
StereoVsn
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I think 6090 will have 48GB when it releases around Q1 2027, and 6080 "might" then hit 32GB. Depends on component prices and node costs of course.
Edit: Hopefully AMD flagship rumors are true and it will push Nvidia at least a little bit to compete.
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Loxus
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He didn't say exactly but says the config can support upto 48GB.
And I just realized he also says he don't know how much Sony would choose for the PS6 but 36GB- 40GB seems likely based on dev input.
@4
All this MLiD hate is so forced and cringe, when it's actually the devs that want 36GB - 40GB.
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Bojji
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He didn't say exactly but says the config can support upto 48GB.
And I just realized he also says he don't know how much Sony would choose for the PS6 but 36GB- 40GB seems likely based on dev input.
@4
All this MLiD hate is so forced and cringe, when it's actually the devs that want 36GB - 40GB.
This guy is more wrong than right. He has good leaks from time to time and then he "speculates", most of this is bullshit.
Assume that what he shows in videos is wrong unless proven by people like K KeplerL2 .
rm082e
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I've watched his videos and Tom at MLiD puts up a firewall of "I'm not saying these are going to be the specs. I'm saying this is the information I have access to right now and this is an evolving story." When he's speculating, he clearly states that he's speculating. It's never been unclear to me as a viewer where he's reporting information he's heard from sources, and when he's speculating based on those sources.
And yet, I see is people on forums then saying "MLiD said this is what it's going to be." That's not what he said. Go take the time to watch the video.
As for PC gamers, I haven't seen anyone confidently projecting the current and last couple generations of cards were going to last a long time. In fact, it's been the opposite. Reviewers have been critical of Nvidia being stingy with VRAM. 24GB should be the standard for the 80 class cards at this point, but they're offering 16 because they're putting that extra RAM into AI chips where it can make them more money. Hell, the reviews of lower end cards often start with "Don't buy this card. It doesn't have enough VRAM."
I'm hoping the stupid AI bubble pops in the next 18 months and demand for those hardware products is severely reduced. Maybe then we can get Nvidia and AMD to put more focus on their gaming cards and provide enough VRAM. Or make good on the idea of using more advanced software programing to reduce the need for so much VRAM in gaming.
And yet, I see is people on forums then saying "MLiD said this is what it's going to be." That's not what he said. Go take the time to watch the video.
As for PC gamers, I haven't seen anyone confidently projecting the current and last couple generations of cards were going to last a long time. In fact, it's been the opposite. Reviewers have been critical of Nvidia being stingy with VRAM. 24GB should be the standard for the 80 class cards at this point, but they're offering 16 because they're putting that extra RAM into AI chips where it can make them more money. Hell, the reviews of lower end cards often start with "Don't buy this card. It doesn't have enough VRAM."
I'm hoping the stupid AI bubble pops in the next 18 months and demand for those hardware products is severely reduced. Maybe then we can get Nvidia and AMD to put more focus on their gaming cards and provide enough VRAM. Or make good on the idea of using more advanced software programing to reduce the need for so much VRAM in gaming.
Buggy Loop
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Also a huge amount of ram seems counter intuitive with the going industry trends, both Nvidia and AMD, where everything will be neural compressed.
Judge Magister
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I have 32GB of VRAM and 64GB of system ram…I'm going to be fine….or I will upgrade
I missed your veredict in MGSΔ OT. Stay well!
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Horseganador
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PS6 will have between 24 and 32 GB at most if it wants to keep the price "affordable."
Topher
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Mate if the Xbox rumors are true then PS6 is in big trouble and wont be able to run true next gen games, the power is with the X.
mckmas8808
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There's no way the PS6 will have 40 GBs of RAM though. The most people think it'll have is 32 GBs of RAM, meaning PC gamers will be fine with 24GB of VRAM or a minimum of 16GBs of VRAM. And this will be for games coming out in 2028+
DirtInUrEye
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If true your hard drive's in much, much worse trouble.
StreetsofBeige
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OP surely thought 360/PS3 games running at 720p//30 looked better than PC too.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
MLID, he somehow thinks Sony can release a console with 40GB of GDDR7 memory for $499
Their current 16GB RAM consoles are selling for $500 minimum.
Anyone who thinks the next gen console(s) are gonna be priced lower than the PS5 Pro are deluding themselves.
pacman4000
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LOL. PS6 won't have 40GB uniform memory.
GoldenEye98
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So a console GPU that will probably have a 1/3 of the power of the top of the line PC GPU will have the same amount or more memory?
Doesn't make sense for a bunch of reasons.
I'm expecting 24GB.
Doesn't make sense for a bunch of reasons.
I'm expecting 24GB.
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Trogdor1123
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I love all the craziness around next gen hardware well before anyone knows anything. Then it comes out, is well behind in some places and well ahead in others.
I'd be shocked if we even get 32 gigs, 24 is more likely imo.
I suspect what the big things in next gen will be a huge push to get more machine learning stuff into it. They will use that to reduce cost in other areas.
I'd be shocked if we even get 32 gigs, 24 is more likely imo.
I suspect what the big things in next gen will be a huge push to get more machine learning stuff into it. They will use that to reduce cost in other areas.
ActusReusJB
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It would be unusual for a new console to significantly out perform PCs on launch. The last time you had an argument that occurred was with the release of the Xbox360. But with the conversion to more PC-like boxes, consoles have had to balance pricing in a way that has kept them from challenging PC performance even at launch. Unless there is some dramatic new shift in technology, that will also be affordable, it is unlikely that PS6 or the next Xbox are anything more than a mid-range PC (although a good value price).
AGRacing
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We've already had developers speak about the RAM / VRAM is going to be used. They want about 10GB to run AI that they see will be prominent in next gen games. In my mind Sony doubled the RAM from PS5 and added 8. If 8-10 is used for AI some might say "ruins the math"… BUT it does have potentially negative VRAM implications for PC.
IF AI didn't need the VRAM in a PC configuration…
40GB - 10GB (AI) = 30GB
30 x .75 = 22.5 GB
We already have 24 GB GPU's coming down the pipe from Nvidia this year or beginning of 2026 in the Super series. Games without this AI block will be just fine.
BUT
IF the predictions of developers are true does the AI function in upcoming games require VRAM or system RAM? ReBAR allows for the quick access by CPU to GPU memory but if the GPU is doing the AI math it doesn't have that kind of instant access to system memory. I think the large AI models you can run on your PC today use your VRAM for this reason.
So in my mind it really depends if this game developer prediction pans out. If we're all talking to AI driven conversational NPC's that aren't being cloud driven in 2030… perhaps our 16GB graphics cards from 2025 won't run those games with ultra textures as well on PC.
Feels like a far fetched future though.
IF AI didn't need the VRAM in a PC configuration…
40GB - 10GB (AI) = 30GB
30 x .75 = 22.5 GB
We already have 24 GB GPU's coming down the pipe from Nvidia this year or beginning of 2026 in the Super series. Games without this AI block will be just fine.
BUT
IF the predictions of developers are true does the AI function in upcoming games require VRAM or system RAM? ReBAR allows for the quick access by CPU to GPU memory but if the GPU is doing the AI math it doesn't have that kind of instant access to system memory. I think the large AI models you can run on your PC today use your VRAM for this reason.
So in my mind it really depends if this game developer prediction pans out. If we're all talking to AI driven conversational NPC's that aren't being cloud driven in 2030… perhaps our 16GB graphics cards from 2025 won't run those games with ultra textures as well on PC.
Feels like a far fetched future though.
Throttle
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Many will have to do that with GPUs otherwise stronger (and more expensive) than a PS6, just because of VRAM.
rodrigolfp
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And PS6 will continue having games with settings lower than lowest, low, medium...
Throttle
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Think of it this way: the 5070 ti Super will be a better gpu than a 5080, despite being overall weaker and cheaper, according to rumors. The 3090 will also be more viable, despite being older and weaker.
This is all predicated on a rumor peddled by a dude who is known to push extremely pro-AMD bullshit. 90% of the time he's dead wrong on whatever he's reporting.
Also, the idea of a console jumping from like 16gb of RAM to 40gb of RAM is, in itself, laughable. What the fuck does a console, which is doing bare minimum multitasking, need all that for? I can see maybe 24GB, thats a reasonable jump, but you have to be doing a putrid, dogshit job of optimizing if your game is needing RAM anything even close to like 32GB of RAM on a console. RAM is not really a concern on consoles anymore because the capacity allows for decent optimization and the bandwidth matters more than anything now. PC can't be optimized as much to the metal which is why 32GB of Ram isn't a crazy recommended spec.
I'll be realistic here, the PS6 isn't coming out until maybe at least the next 3-4 years, and its only going to be a slight bump over the PS5 and Pro. We aren't really hitting a point anymore where hardware is getting rapidly outpaced by new technology. Unless Sony went to Nvidia and had access to tensor cores (which they aren't), there really won't be any big hardware jumps anymore. I'd like to be wrong, but look at how PS4 is still getting games. Clearly most games now aren't really limited by hardware.
Gonzito
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Papi I have 32gb of RAM. I will be fine
