If the 40 GB RAM rumors for the PS6 are true, PC gamers are in big trouble

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Analysis  Thread 'PS5 Pro/PSSR Appears to Provide Better Image Reconstruction than DLSS Running on a 4090 GPU'

I was curious and went looking back on DF comparisons of PS5 resolution/fidelity modes with a 4090 DLAA max settings, and preliminary comparison suggests to me that PSSR is potentially a vastly superior solution. I gathered the limited samples from today's Cerny tech talk where base PS5 fidelity mode was compared to PS5 Pro that doubled frame rate in addition to improving effective resolution. For the DF comparisons, I have Spider-Man Miles Morales and Horizon Forbidden West where, again, Alex compares 4K DLAA max settings image quality to PS5 fidelity modes (unfortunately, DF didn't use...
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First, PS6 won't have 40GB of RAM (LOL).
Second, even if it will we'll need to see if that will be a flat pool or two pools or one pool with different access speeds.
Third, RAM is one of the easiest things you can upgrade in a PC. And before people will go "buuuut VRAM!" developers will have to adhere to what's available on PC - and even more, they'll have to launch their games on both current and next gen of console h/w for years if this generation is of any indication for the future.

So yeah PCs will be fine.
 
Senua said:
Great rage bait OP



There are already Graphics cards that are more powerful than the PS6 GPU
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That's always been the case, but we both know you're gonna need more power when it comes to the PC versions of games that'll run on PS6.
 
My bet is on 32 gigs and yes if you have a GPU with 8 or 16 gigs in 2027 you will probably have issues, but my guess is that by then 24 gigs will be the mid range.
 
"I'm not talking about PC as a whole, this is no console people vs PC people war bullshit. Sorry for the misleading thread title."

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You got exactly what you wanted with that thread title.
 
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The Fartist said:
"I'm not talking about PC as a whole, this is no console people vs PC people war bullshit. Sorry for the misleading thread title."

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You got exactly what you wanted with that thread title.
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No the thread absolutely did not go how I wanted.

I wanted people to shit on Nvidia for releasing outdated products with too little VRAM and ripping off consumers first and foremost. Then having civilized
discussions the second goal.

The thread did not deliver on both, therefore it's sadly a failure.
 
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I'm solely a console guy, but I don't think you pc fellas have anything to worry about..ya only a click clunky away from upgrading your shit, so there are no worries.
 
Mobilemofo said:
I'm solely a console guy, but I don't think you pc fellas have anything to worry about..ya only a click clunky away from upgrading your shit, so there are no worries.
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Oh man, we was so worried until we saw your post. Your support means a lot, we feel so much better now.

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TGO said:
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That's always been the case, but we both know you're gonna need more power when it comes to the PC versions of games that'll run on PS6.
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In the far majority of games that is not exactly the case, a PS5 and a 6700 perform very similarly in a large selection of games.
 
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ram shmam ... the nes had 4k of ram and we are still excited every time a legendary series sequel that started on it is released.

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Bojji said:
This guy is more wrong than right. He has good leaks from time to time and then he "speculates", most of this is bullshit.

Assume that what he shows in videos is wrong unless proven by people like @KeplerL2 .
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So now we come to this.

Discrediting developers?

Is Mark Cerny also talking bullshit when he said devs wanted the PS5 to have 12 cores?
 
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I just finished using my PC and I said out loud "I'm done using my PC. I'm going to use my car now and go for a drive." Now I'm driving and I read your post and I don't know if I'm going to be able to stay on the road because of all the tears. No, I'm not using my phone while driving. That's illegal in my state. I'm using my dedicated car-PC to post th
 
Loxus said:
So now we come to this.

This crediting developers?

Is Mark Cerny also talking bullshit when he said devs wanted the PS5 to have 12 cores?
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Mark Cerny is far more reputable than MLID. While MLID has had solid leaks his accuracy is less than half (even lower when it comes to Nvidia) and his own speculation is at times laughable. Claiming that devs want something could be a solid leak, a complete fabrication, false information, or any mix of things. But let's assume he is right and developers want that amount of RAM, it doesn't mean Sony will listen. I'm sure Sony would love to ship consoles with as much RAM as possible but cost is a critical factor for them to consider as well.
 
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I just finished using my PC and I said out loud "I'm done using my PC. I'm going to use my car now and go for a drive." Now I'm driving and I read your post and I don't know if I'm going to be able to stay on the road because of all the tears. No, I'm not using my phone while driving. That's illegal in my state. I'm using my dedicated car-PC to post th
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Looks like your car-PC ran out of memory.

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Zathalus said:
Mark Cerny is far more reputable than MLID. While MLID has had solid leaks his accuracy is less than half (even lower when it comes to Nvidia) and his own speculation is at times laughable. Claiming that devs want something could be a solid leak, a complete fabrication, false information, or any mix of things. But let's assume he is right and developers want that amount of RAM, it doesn't mean Sony will listen. I'm sure Sony would love to ship consoles with as much RAM as possible but cost is a critical factor for them to consider as well.
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MLiD never said it is actually going to have 40GB. He said he believes 40GB is possible base on what developers said.

It's the same thing as devs wanting 16 cores, but got 8.

I don't even know why you guys come in to MLiD threads if you don't like the guy. Just ignore these type of threads.
 
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PC games have the option to run a much lower resolution like 1440p and still look incredible without any need for 20+ gb of vram.
Hell, 16 does the job wonderfully.
4k is hugely overrated
With console upgrades, you're gonna need to shell out a grand for pro version and most games will be hard locked to 1 gen behind.
PC, its simple, upgrade that one component and call it a day. games will work even from multiple gens.

X to doubt pc gamers will be in any kind of trouble. 🤣
 
Loxus said:
MLiD never said it is actually going to have 40GB. He said he believes 40GB is possible base on what developers said.

It's the same thing as devs wanting 16 cores, but got 8.
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That's the thing though, MLID makes this claim, and his track record is very spotty. So did developers really say that? If they said something how much of that is diluted by his own speculation? Which developers? Sony ones? Indie developers? Way too much speculation to know.

What we do know is that PS5 only doubled memory over the PS4, and with the handheld, tariffs, component cost increases, and general memory pricing I personally doubt anything over 32GB at most.
 
Lets say mlid is correct(even broken clock can be twice/day) so by holidays 2027 console will have 40GB of vram/ram(maybe its not 40GB unified but 32+8 slower one or 36+4 slower one).

Now what it means for PC crowd?:

1) Next gen games baseline will want that 32 or at least 24GB of vram(+32GB of ram).
2) Those "next gen" games will likely only appear once crossgen period is over, likely around 2030.
3) By that time we will have majority of gaming desktop pcs with much more ram/vram than we got it now, middle of 2025:
We will have 50xx super series with increased vram, 60xx series with much more vram too, and since its by end of crossgen period so 2030- even nvidia's 70xx series will be avaiable too +w/e amd will offer, likely 24-32GB even on midrange products by that time.

TLDR- many current gen pc gpu's will be outdated(i say 50xx super series will be fine, 4090 with its 24gigs will be fine, 5090 too obviously with 32gigs of vram) but when we trully gonna need big "next gen" vram/ram amount there will be plenty avaiable products with that amount, so ofc, most ppl with current low end/midrange gpu's(including myself with my old trusty 12gigs of vram of 3080ti) will need and want an upgrade, and thats fine- we will do it no probs :)
 
Zathalus said:
That's the thing though, MLID makes this claim, and his track record is very spotty. So did developers really say that? If they said something how much of that is diluted by his own speculation? Which developers? Sony ones? Indie developers? Way too much speculation to know.

What we do know is that PS5 only doubled memory over the PS4, and with the handheld, tariffs, component cost increases, and general memory pricing I personally doubt anything over 32GB at most.
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Read no. 4 and tell me where he said 40GB is the PS6 leaked VRAM size.
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It's just him speculating.
 
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Dampf said:
Right now, consoles have 16 GB unified memory. Some of that is allocated for the CPU, some for OS resources. Most of it can be used as video memory at around 448 GB/s bandwidth.

Using simple math: the factor 0,75 of the total RAM in the current gen console RAM is the VRAM you need on the PC side to have a great experience, while the factor 0,5 is the bare minimum.

On the PC side, 12 GB VRAM is plently for current gen games, while 8 GB VRAM is the minimum.

You can tell this formular works by applying it to the older console generation:

PS4: 8 GB RAM. 8 GB x 0,75 = 6 GB VRAM on the PC side. 6 GB VRAM was more than enough, while 4 GB VRAM was the minimum in many late gen titles.

Now, let's use the same calculation on a hypothetical PS6 with 40 GB RAM... And that is 20 GB at minimum, 30 GB VRAM for smooth sailing.

This means, any GPU besides the 5090 will not be able to run true next gen games at comparable visual quality settings to the PS6, simply because Nvidia has been very stingy with VRAM.

Even if we take the handhelds into account, 36 GB RAM x 0,5 -> you would need 18 GB VRAM to run true next gen games decently. These handhelds still have vastly more memory bandwidth than your usual DDR5 setup (80 GBs vs 200 GB/s).

Now, there's a possibility the rumors are BS and consoles are just going to have 24 GB RAM. In that case, 16 GB VRAM would be plenty. But what about all the 8 GB GPUs Nvidia released? And what about expensive 12 GB VRAM becoming the bare minimum of next gen games then?

I think Nvidia really fucked up badly here. Sadly though I almost suspect when cutting edge next gen games release and games won't run well on these GPUs, people will just blame bad optimization instead of recognizing it is Nvidia who sold them insufficient GPUs.

Edit: since many people only read the OP, listen carefully:

I'm not talking about PC gaming as a whole here. Obviously the PC platform is going to evolve, obviously the PC GPU that releases after the PS6 launch is going to beat the hell out of PS6.

I'm talking about PC gamers who bought a RTX 5070 or RTX 5080 right now and expect it to do well for next gen games. THOSE PC gamers MIGHT be in trouble IF, and only IF, the PS6 is going to have more than 24 GB unified memory! For cross gen games, on max settings, for next gen games at lower settings, even.

I'm not talking about PC as a whole, this is no console people vs PC people war bullshit. Sorry for the misleading thread title.
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Loxus said:
Read no. 4 and tell me where he said 40GB is the PS6 leaked VRAM size.
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It's just him speculating.
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Yes, and please point out to me where I claimed he said the PS6 will have 40GB.

My post clearly calls out his claim that devs are wanting X amount of RAM. Is that really accurate and true? Who knows!
 
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Zathalus said:
Yes, and please point out to me where I claimed he said the PS6 will have 40GB.

My post clearly calls out his claim that devs are wanting X amount of RAM. Is that really accurate and true? Who knows!
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Which is the same as the even more outrageous claim from Mark Cerny that devs wanted 16 cores.

But I get it, you guys just hate MLiD that all.
 
Vram is the biggest overblown narrative in pc gaming AND nvidia is definitely skimping. Both are true.

You look at the new UE5 games and they're actually pretty economical with vram despite being very taxing to run.

If the PS6 comes out as soon as 2027, great, but it'll feel very underwhelming.
 
People are dumping on the OP for no real reason when all he's saying is something us PC gamers have known for ages, less than 16GB of VRAM for a new GPU in 2025 is criminal, 8GB is already a no go zone and the 12GB is the current safe spot, so if next gen goes over a 2x ram increase, then it'll be the 16GB cards on the border instantly pushing all those 12GB cards into the no go zone, so if you're buying a new GPU now with 12GB and expecting to play games for the next 5 years or so, you're going to be in a bad place.

On the positive side, if the next gen consoles do have 40GB or more, then hopefully it pushes Nvidia to get their AI thumb out of their ass and increase the VRAM on their next series.
 
Dampf said:
Right now, consoles have 16 GB unified memory. Some of that is allocated for the CPU, some for OS resources. Most of it can be used as video memory at around 448 GB/s bandwidth.

Using simple math: the factor 0,75 of the total RAM in the current gen console RAM is the VRAM you need on the PC side to have a great experience, while the factor 0,5 is the bare minimum.

On the PC side, 12 GB VRAM is plently for current gen games, while 8 GB VRAM is the minimum.

You can tell this formular works by applying it to the older console generation:

PS4: 8 GB RAM. 8 GB x 0,75 = 6 GB VRAM on the PC side. 6 GB VRAM was more than enough, while 4 GB VRAM was the minimum in many late gen titles.

Now, let's use the same calculation on a hypothetical PS6 with 40 GB RAM... And that is 20 GB at minimum, 30 GB VRAM for smooth sailing.

This means, any GPU besides the 5090 will not be able to run true next gen games at comparable visual quality settings to the PS6, simply because Nvidia has been very stingy with VRAM.

Even if we take the handhelds into account, 36 GB RAM x 0,5 -> you would need 18 GB VRAM to run true next gen games decently. These handhelds still have vastly more memory bandwidth than your usual DDR5 setup (80 GBs vs 200 GB/s).

Now, there's a possibility the rumors are BS and consoles are just going to have 24 GB RAM. In that case, 16 GB VRAM would be plenty. But what about all the 8 GB GPUs Nvidia released? And what about expensive 12 GB VRAM becoming the bare minimum of next gen games then?

I think Nvidia really fucked up badly here. Sadly though I almost suspect when cutting edge next gen games release and games won't run well on these GPUs, people will just blame bad optimization instead of recognizing it is Nvidia who sold them insufficient GPUs.

Edit: since many people only read the OP, listen carefully:

I'm not talking about PC gaming as a whole here. Obviously the PC platform is going to evolve, obviously the PC GPU that releases after the PS6 launch is going to beat the hell out of PS6.

I'm talking about PC gamers who bought a RTX 5070 or RTX 5080 right now and expect it to do well for next gen games. THOSE PC gamers MIGHT be in trouble IF, and only IF, the PS6 is going to have more than 24 GB unified memory! For cross gen games, on max settings, for next gen games at lower settings, even.

I'm not talking about PC as a whole, this is no console people vs PC people war bullshit. Sorry for the misleading thread title.
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