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[The Mad Draklor]

You are trying to have a conversation with a woke liberal who doesn't even have the courage to state his opinion on the subject but always spams nonsense as an "objective observator who doesn't support or oppose either side". This is so pathetic.

That's not even the funniest part. The best part is when he loudly proclaims that he does not care about wokeness or DEI. No really, he doesn't care about it for realsies.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Everything about it looks so damn generic and lackluster. Like how is that lost on the people developing and publishing it? It's like they got their inspiration for the designs from an anime convention. Smiling fucking aliens with guns and color in their hair.

This is why it fails.

The gameplay can't be the primary reason; no one bothered to download the Beta in the first place. This means the game was simply unappealing from the moment they showed it.

And if I am the average consumer, then this exactly how it went down. I saw the reveal; some shitty ass CG with GotG rejects that immediately put me off. Then I saw its another GaaS team shooter and I zoned out. I was completed uninterested. I never downloaded the beta as a result.

I, like many others, am sick of MCU drivel. I am also sick of GaaS shooters. And I am sick of representation. This game is everything thats wrong with the entertainment industry right now. I don't want it. Its going to be a hard sell even if its actually fun to play. They underestimate the consumers, and they fail to actually cater to the ones who are actually willing to spend cash on their games. They are out of touch with their most important audience. Meanwhile Stellar Blade has nothing of this shit, sells well. Erdtree has nothing of this shit, sells well. Sony however chases something that isn't there. They are catering to a very small crowd that obviously doesn't spend either. They should nope out and return to what made them succesful. I hope Astro Bot will at least outsell this shit by a good margin because it seems to be a pure no bullshit game.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Sony knew this would happen, they aren’t stupid. They knew of the 10 live service games they planned to launch some of them wouldn’t be good but it’s worth the risk if at least one ends up being a hit.

They are basically gambling but this strategy wouldn’t be so bad if they at least had more single player games being released to balance things out. From what I can see Astro Bot is their last big single player game for the rest of the year and that’s crazy.

 

[clarky]

take a look around, most reviews hitting atm are praising the game, why? because its good .. they know the devs behind it, they can see the quality .. all the fear mongering is coming from the usual toxic sources. i think sony def fumbled the debut here though .. they should have come outright with what type of game it was from the start, and the intro gameplay trailer was a lot of 3rd person floating around the map shit ... just show some char select screens, and some tight fps action, which this game has in loads,, and they would ahve been on a better path.

i think this game will find its footing, why, because its fucking fun to play.

whiney bitch PC gamers who don't wanna sign into a PSN account, or have some issue with paying for stuff, or some other agenda about the race or sex of the characters .. honestly man, i'm gonna be glad not having to deal with these C$%nts online anyways. i really do think this should have been a PS5 only title .. this multiplatform push sony is doing might get a few additional sales but its not worth the damage they take when including that part of gaming culture.

Ladies and gentlemen we have a comedian on our hands, take a bow snow-drop.

 

[ZVWQP-9B8TM-VH9CT]

That's not even the funniest part. The best part is when he loudly proclaims that he does not care about wokeness or DEI. No really, he doesn't care about it for realsies.

I paid close attention to him. His post history is littered with him begging others to believe that he is objective and unconcerned about the subject. But for some reason, this subject attracts him like flies to shit. He writes all day without being interested; imagine if he was.

 

[ManaByte]

Game is dead the instant Marvel Rivals goes live. Dead dead dead.

 

[ViciousAgenda]

Game is dead the instant Marvel Rivals goes live. Dead dead dead.

I can see that doing well for sure. It's got the IP recognition. Unless it's complete shit.

 

[ManaByte]

I can see that doing well for sure. It's got the IP recognition. Unless it's complete shit.

 

[ViciousAgenda]

Are you in the beta?

 

[ManaByte]

Are you in the beta?

 

[sun-drop]

Game is dead the instant Marvel Rivals goes live. Dead dead dead.

isn't that a 3rd person shooter? why would one effect the other any more than say HD2, or FC25 or Madden... or Netflix does ..everything is in competition . everything has to be so clicky ..its almost like these people have zero defining lives outside of these games so live or die on the respective fortunes of said titles .. pretty sad

 

[Varteras]

The more I look at the various problems this game has, the more dumbfounded I am that they thought it was all good. How in the fuck are you gonna charge an upfront cost in this genre and have nothing unique and robust to justify it? How did you land on those character designs? What made you think the balance in this game was good? What about this game made you believe it wouldn't get squashed by existing heavy hitters? At what point did you fail to realize that this game needed sexy females so I can rub a few out watching Pornhub?

 

[ViciousAgenda]

Awesome, I'd love to try it.

 

[ViciousAgenda]

The more I look at the various problems this game has, the more dumbfounded I am that they thought it was all good. How in the fuck are you gonna charge an upfront cost in this genre and have nothing unique and robust to justify it? How did you land on those character designs? What made you think the balance in this game was good? What about this game made you believe it wouldn't get squashed by existing heavy hitters? At what point did you fail to realize that this game needed sexy females so I can rub a few out watching Pornhub?

My guess is that they bad a bunch of yes men telling them it was great during in internal tests. Combine that with their own hubris and you have the perfect shit storm.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

I paid close attention to him. His post history is littered with him begging others to believe that he is objective and unconcerned about the subject. But for some reason, this subject attracts him like flies to shit. He writes all day without being interested; imagine if he was.

And then, he high tails to the AC Shadows "apology" thread. No seriously, he reeaally doesn't care about wokeness.

 

[Nonehxc]

Good.

As far as I'm concerned, all these bloody diarrhea GaaS can go the way of the dodo. These GaaS took retarded to a whole new level, dropping ungodly amounts of cash that could have gone into inmersive sims, shooters or any of my favourite genres just to have a minuscule chance of striking it golden.

Hope this stab in the gut+twist of the knife teaches Sony to NOT dissappoint me ever again.

 

[ManaByte]

isn't that a 3rd person shooter? why would one effect the other any more than say HD2, or FC25 or Madden... or Netflix does ..everything is in competition . everything has to be so clicky ..its almost like these people have zero defining lives outside of these games so live or die on the respective fortunes of said titles .. pretty sad

They’re in the exact same genre. Rivals is Marvel Overwatch.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

take a look around, most reviews hitting atm are praising the game, why? because its good .. they know the devs behind it, they can see the quality .. all the fear mongering is coming from the usual toxic sources. i think sony def fumbled the debut here though .. they should have come outright with what type of game it was from the start, and the intro gameplay trailer was a lot of 3rd person floating around the map shit ... just show some char select screens, and some tight fps action, which this game has in loads,, and they would ahve been on a better path.

i think this game will find its footing, why, because its fucking fun to play.

whiney bitch PC gamers who don't wanna sign into a PSN account, or have some issue with paying for stuff, or some other agenda about the race or sex of the characters .. honestly man, i'm gonna be glad not having to deal with these C$%nts online anyways. i really do think this should have been a PS5 only title .. this multiplatform push sony is doing might get a few additional sales but its not worth the damage they take when including that part of gaming culture.

 

[Nydius]

take a look around, most reviews hitting atm are praising the game, why? because its good .. they know the devs behind it, they can see the quality .. all the fear mongering is coming from the usual toxic sources.

Review. Singular. The only real post-beta review is IGN’s and that review is laughable at best. It reeks of being paid to shill. Their entire argument is “well, it doesn’t do anything new and it has some issues but it’s still good, we swear!”

The only other place it’s getting “good reviews” are in echo chambers like Reddit. Where the couple thousand who played the game post.

whiney bitch PC gamers

I don’t normally post so directly but in your case I’ll make an exception:

Grow the fuck up or go away.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Again, you might understand PVP gaming (emphasis on might) but it is clear you do not understand people.

My attraction to PvP illustrates my deeper desire to know humanity through combat. This is irrefutable.

If basketball players stopped buying Jordan brand shoes, the company would go belly up overnight.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

TF2's character design is absolutely iconic.

It's absolute dog sh** character design. It only iconic because the game has been popular for a length of time and turned into a historical touchstone. The same principle is in effect for Fortnite despite everyone criticizing the artstyle in 2017.

 

[ArtHands]

Game is well received among Playstation players so far so it’ll perform well, don’t worry

 

[Katatonic]

While actually playing the beta, not once did I think of whack character designs, pronouns, controversy, etc. Not once.

 

[Doomtrain]

At what point did you fail to realize that this game needed sexy females so I can rub a few out watching Pornhub?

I don't understand. Are you not compelled to google search "Rule 34 Emari"?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

While actually playing the beta, not once did I think of whack character designs, pronouns, controversy, etc. Not once.

so they failed.

 

[Varteras]

I don't understand. Are you not compelled to google search "Rule 34 Emari"?

 

[Katatonic]

They succeeded in what really matters. They made a gorgeous, fun addicting game that will most likely get my $40.

If they failed at pushing an agenda on me, they wouldn't be the first.

 

[ViciousAgenda]

Game is well received among Playstation players so far so it’ll perform well, don’t worry

Are these Playstation players in the room with us right now?

 

[sun-drop]

They succeeded in what really matters. They made a gorgeous, fun addicting game that will most likely get my $40.

If they failed at pushing an agenda on me, they wouldn't be the first.

ikr. but i love how some sections of gaming have this massive conspiracy theory thing in their heads where the idea that company X invests millions of dollars, countless hours of dev cycle , into a game or product ... just to ... brain wash you with a pronoun or color palate. are people THAT easy .. i guess they must be, i mean look how scared they get - they must buy every god dam thing that gets advertised to them like zombies. good luck with the elections over there folks lol .

 

[Sgt.Asher]

It's a game that is lesser than the sum of It's parts.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

ikr. but i love how some sections of gaming have this massive conspiracy theory thing in their heads where the idea that company X invests millions of dollars, countless hours of dev cycle , into a game or product ... just to ... brain wash you with a pronoun or color palate. are people THAT easy .. i guess they must be, i mean look how scared they get - they must buy every god dam thing that gets advertised to them like zombies. good luck with the elections over there folks lol .

Every time the word conspiracy theories is mentioned a dumb take follows. It never fails.

Do you know the meaning of the word propaganda?? I guess not.

This is not even propaganda, though. This game is just a narcissistic, self-insert product made by people who have mental issues. Clueless companies invest in this crap because they believe their own slogans.

if you like the game it's fine, but don't attempt to gaslight people like this cos it's a bad look, for real. And no, you don't sound smart at all. Just in case you believed that.

 

[sun-drop]

Every time the word conspiracy theories is mentioned a dumb take follows. It never fails.

Do you know the meaning of the word propaganda?? I guess not.

This is not even propaganda, though. This game is just a narcissistic, self-insert product made by people who have mental issues. Clueless companies invest in this crap because they believe their own slogans.

if you like the game it's fine, but don't attempt to gaslight people like this cos it's a bad look, for real. And no, you don't sound smart at all. Just in case you believed that.

lol .. you know who made the game right? they made half the games you probably already play. thats why it feels good to anyone who's played destiny etc .. i feel sorry for anyone who logs into a game and is so blinded/triggered by ..something ... that they think this game isn't good. by pretty much most metrics mechanically this game is legit. if you think otherwise well .. i guess we agree to disagree. and basically your taste is games is wildly different to mine .. so .. why should i care? BTW .. what games DO you like ... ? i'm curious .. because lately i've been bored AF with most shooters. As a console gamer primarily i enjoy FPS that lean into movement ,eg d2 hunter class, rather than the actual shooting , so IT-Z for eg i dig ALOT.

 

[clarky]

lol .. you know who made the game right? they made half the games you probably already play. thats why it feels good to anyone who's played destiny etc .. i feel sorry for anyone who logs into a game and is so blinded/triggered by ..something ... that they think this game isn't good. by pretty much most metrics mechanically this game is legit. if you think otherwise well .. i guess we agree to disagree. and basically your taste is games is wildly different to mine .. so .. why should i care? BTW .. what games DO you like ... ? i'm curious .. because lately i've been bored AF with most shooters. As a console gamer primarily i enjoy FPS that lean into movement ,eg d2 hunter class, rather than the actual shooting , so IT-Z for eg i dig ALOT.

I used to play Destiny and you know what? This game suffers from a lot of what was wrong with that game at one time or another. However this game manages it all at once though which is quite a feat .

Boring maps, ridiculously unbalanced gameplay, no join in progress, quitters, poor unrewarding progress, boring uninspired modes and thats without even talking about the hideous characters and colour pallet.

If you like the game then great, but you are in a minority. I don't like it, its a 5/10 at best for me from what i played, the wokeness it rams down my throat is only a small factor in coming to that conclusion.

Ironically for such a colourful game the one colour it reminds me of most is brown.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

The more I look at the various problems this game has, the more dumbfounded I am that they thought it was all good.

Maybe some unfortunate blend of simulator syndrome and squashing critical voices on the team? Judging by the comments in their channels, it looks like they are doubling down on principle. As a creative, I can understand and appreciate the reflex, but we’ll see where that lands them.

 

[T-0800]

take a look around, most reviews hitting atm are praising the game, why? because its good .. they know the devs behind it, they can see the quality .. all the fear mongering is coming from the usual toxic sources. i think sony def fumbled the debut here though .. they should have come outright with what type of game it was from the start, and the intro gameplay trailer was a lot of 3rd person floating around the map shit ... just show some char select screens, and some tight fps action, which this game has in loads,, and they would ahve been on a better path.

i think this game will find its footing, why, because its fucking fun to play.

whiney bitch PC gamers who don't wanna sign into a PSN account, or have some issue with paying for stuff, or some other agenda about the race or sex of the characters .. honestly man, i'm gonna be glad not having to deal with these C$%nts online anyways. i really do think this should have been a PS5 only title .. this multiplatform push sony is doing might get a few additional sales but its not worth the damage they take when including that part of gaming culture.

 

[DenchDeckard]

There's some scary defence for this game.

At least we 100% know there's shills on all platforms and everywhere.

Holy poop.

The game is generic as shit, is slow as ice cold treacle trying to fall off an overhang. The support characters do not work like they should. This is a terrible overwatch clone. Terrible. It does nothing. It's disney clone slop and people are defending it because it's sony. If this was third party there would be no conversation apart from go play overwatch 2.

Embarassing. Let it die.

 

[SkylineRKR]

I used to play Destiny and you know what? This game suffers from a lot of what was wrong with that game at one time or another. However this game manages it all at once though which is quite a feat .

Boring maps, ridiculously unbalanced gameplay, no join in progress, quitters, poor unrewarding progress, boring uninspired modes and thats without even talking about the hideous characters and colour pallet.

If you like the game then great, but you are in a minority. I don't like it its a 5/10 at best for me from what i played, the wokeness it rams down my throat is only a small factor in coming to that conclusion.

Ironically for such a colourful game the one colour it reminds me of most is brown.

Yeah it does look hideous. It looks as safe as it gets.

I mean I genuinely liked the designs of Overwatch 1 back when it launched. As we know Overwatch was in fact very diverse from the get go, with many female characters, and lots of different races. But the female characters like Symmetra or Widowmaker did show female features without going overboard for example. Compare this to Concord however, which looks hideous on purpose just to avoid any form of discussion about them and flat chested is the new norm it seems.

You can't convince me that anyone internally likes these designs. They do it to avoid backlash and to embrace their almost non-existing woke consumers, but I doubt they made what they actually like. I can see artists coming up with designs, and then corporate fucks telling them to scrap because there is too much skin, too much ass, too much tits.

Also, I see a lot of black characters, and its almost as if the supposed white characters were redrawn into aliens?

 

[Fess]

It doesn't. Plenty of Live Service games with poor starts grew to become successful.

Difficult, but not impossible.

Edit: No Live Service game is "unaltered". The changing aspect of Live Service is its defining characteristic.

Difficult, but not impossible, is not where you want to be after an open beta. A delay and big changes is 100% needed.

 

[Life Diff]

Sony knew this would happen, they aren’t stupid. They knew of the 10 live service games they planned to launch some of them wouldn’t be good but it’s worth the risk if at least one ends up being a hit.

They are basically gambling but this strategy wouldn’t be so bad if they at least had more single player games being released to balance things out. From what I can see Astro Bot is their last big single player game for the rest of the year and that’s crazy.

It's not surprising that at least one would be a dud but the weirder part is they bought this studio. Granted probably very cheap in the grand scheme and maybe they will be given another chance but it's not a good look.

 

[Heart_Attack]

Here's the thing. This game is as unoriginal as all of Sony's first Party offerings this gen.

 

[captainnapalm]

It's just a perfect mix of everything that makes games shit at the moment - chasing that live-service dollar and then smearing a layer of woke/DEI character design and writing all over it. You almost have to laugh at how insane it is - you have a whole horde of captive consumers ready to spend money on gaming and the industry can't even cater to them because they've embraced an elitist weirdo culture that literally repels normal people. Corpos mandate live service, not knowing that their DEI hiring practices are going to ruin the story and characters. The game never even had a chance. The exact same thing happened with Rocksteady and Suicide Squad.

 

[ViciousAgenda]

Difficult, but not impossible, is not where you want to be after an open beta. A delay and big changes is 100% needed.

Difficult but not impossible is the kind of thing you don't want to say to yourself when you're squeezing out a turd either.

 

[Fess]

Difficult but not impossible is the kind of thing you don't want to say to yourself when you're squeezing out a turd either.

Lol no then you you keep it in and eat some plums and try again when you’re sure you’re not going to wreck something. Firewalk should learn these basic lessons of life and not ruin their company here. Just do it right. They has to know it’s not hyper popular now after the beta. They can’t just ignore that and stay on course releasing it as is.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

Difficult but not impossible is the kind of thing you don't want to say to yourself when you're squeezing out a turd either.

That’s not a bad analog, actually. A rock solid monster log of a turd too far gone to prairie dog it, and tough enough to question your outhole virginity when you try to clip it. That’s probably the feeling a lot of Concord leads have right now.

 

[Jormatar]

Probably.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Here's the thing. This game is as unoriginal as all of Sony's first Party offerings this gen.

Returnal and Astro Bot weren't unoriginal. GT7 to me is better than 5, 6 and Sport. For the rest yes, their output is very boring

It's just a perfect mix of everything that makes games shit at the moment - chasing that live-service dollar and then smearing a layer of woke/DEI character design and writing all over it. You almost have to laugh at how insane it is - you have a whole horde of captive consumers ready to spend money on gaming and the industry can't even cater to them because they've embraced an elitist weirdo culture that literally repels normal people. Corpos mandate live service, not knowing that their DEI hiring practices are going to ruin the story and characters. The game never even had a chance. The exact same thing happened with Rocksteady and Suicide Squad.

True but patience is a virtue. They will feel it. This game for example will crash. Which isn't a good outlook for Sony who was on a good streak otherwise. They might be forced to rethink their strategy if this continues.

But it should take a Naughty Dog game to underperform for them to really hit the panic button.
.

 

[Hudo]

They should make a PSVR2 version.

 

[Sonik]

take a look around, most reviews hitting atm are praising the game, why? because its good .. they know the devs behind it, they can see the quality .. all the fear mongering is coming from the usual toxic sources. i think sony def fumbled the debut here though .. they should have come outright with what type of game it was from the start, and the intro gameplay trailer was a lot of 3rd person floating around the map shit ... just show some char select screens, and some tight fps action, which this game has in loads,, and they would ahve been on a better path.

i think this game will find its footing, why, because its fucking fun to play.

whiney bitch PC gamers who don't wanna sign into a PSN account, or have some issue with paying for stuff, or some other agenda about the race or sex of the characters .. honestly man, i'm gonna be glad not having to deal with these C$%nts online anyways. i really do think this should have been a PS5 only title .. this multiplatform push sony is doing might get a few additional sales but its not worth the damage they take when including that part of gaming culture.

So you're accusing console players of being completely naive and trusting game "journalists" in year twenty twenty-four, that's just rude dude

they know the devs behind it

You gotta love that choice of words there lol

 

[Luipadre]

Game is dead the instant Marvel Rivals goes live. Dead dead dead.

Its dead on day 1, doesnt matter when rivals comes out

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Returnal and Astro Bot weren't unoriginal. GT7 to me is better than 5, 6 and Sport. For the rest yes, their output is very boring


True but patience is a virtue. They will feel it. This game for example will crash. Which isn't a good outlook for Sony who was on a good streak otherwise. They might be forced to rethink their strategy if this continues.

But it should take a Naughty Dog game to underperform for them to really hit the panic button.
.

A flop streak with Factions cancelation, Concord and Fairgames is something Totoki-san won't be too excited about.