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It's taken eight years, but finally Game Pass is positioned to save the Xbox console business and give Xbox a point

havoc00

Member
My son is all-in on Xbox. On the TV he only plays Xbox. He prefers the Xbox UI and services (not that he'd use that term, he's not a robot), the Xbox controller, and the fact that he has Game Pass on there. He has multiple Xbox hoodies and bemoaned the lack of an Xbox birthday cake in the supermarket that was selling a PlayStation-branded one. When I ask him if he thinks he'll prefer PlayStation one day, he's typically pre-teen: "Why would I?" he replies as if talking to the world's dumbest man. He's not a console warrior, but it's fair to say that Xbox is his life.

My feelings on Xbox change every time I attempt to figure out what my feelings are. I've stared at that sentence on and off for a week or so, wondering if I can just stop there and publish, letting people think I've made a highly intellectual point and didn't in fact just have a jumbled mess of thoughts stuck in my head.

I want to say something about the present and future of Microsoft's gaming division, but what exactly, and where do I possibly start? As someone with more fondness for Xbox than the average person (no doubt why my son is so keen on the console that "has no games") I find it bizarre in the extreme that we are entering what might be the best period for Xbox-published games of all time while the uncertainty over the future of the company's console business and general public sentiment has never been rockier.

I'm not going to suggest Xbox is safe because my son prefers it to PlayStation, but he's clearly not the only person who thinks this. There's always a running commentary alongside video game consoles that is desperate to declare winners and losers - I know this as I've been part of that group. If we're talking about Xbox vs PlayStation, well, PlayStation has won. Simple. Add to this the fact that there are no "red lines" for Xbox games coming to other platforms now, and it's easy to see where the doomongering comes from.

Xbox has always struggled to gain a strong footing outside the US and has underperformed in Europe. My view is that you either like Xbox because of its hardware and functionality, or you dislike it because it hasn't had enough/any big exclusive games - the latter usually being too much of a mountain to climb for most people. The notion that the major reason to buy a console is to play the games exclusively available for it has gone out the window completely at Xbox. In fact there aren't any windows at all, or a ceiling, or walls. Xbox is essentially an idea floating around now, uncontained, and that's hard for people to pin an allegiance to - and allegiances do matter.

So does Xbox, the console/box/machine, have a future? Sorry for being that guy again, but I think it all comes down to Xbox Game Pass. Ever since Game Pass promised Day One games from Microsoft it felt like an unbelievable service, one that I expected people would be all over. It reminds me of the summer I got a cinema pass and would watch two or three movies a day over the school holiday. I felt like I'd found a loophole akin to carrying in a bottle of coke and a packet of Minstrels under my coat. Why not watch Toy Story 2 a second time, followed by Gladiator? For me, Game Pass worked. I was sold on Xbox and I enjoyed the games. But what if you didn't think much of the Xbox line-up because it was missing the blockbusters? I can see how that is a big problem. A U-571/Frequency double bill isn't for everyone, even if you've already paid for the tickets.


 

winjer

Member
high quality GIF
 
What a joke of an article. Need this man and his son have to be reminded that Xbox sales are floundering like a sack of potatoes everywhere? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

18 million PS5 sold in 2024 compared to a pathetic 4 million, less than three million of it was in its home turf.

Pity these two - especially the kid - are having to breathe copium so much. That stuff is bad for your health, mind you.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
My son is all-in on Xbox. On the TV he only plays Xbox. He prefers the Xbox UI and services (not that he'd use that term, he's not a robot), the Xbox controller, and the fact that he has Game Pass on there. He has multiple Xbox hoodies and bemoaned the lack of an Xbox birthday cake in the supermarket that was selling a PlayStation-branded one. When I ask him if he thinks he'll prefer PlayStation one day, he's typically pre-teen: "Why would I?" he replies as if talking to the world's dumbest man. He's not a console warrior, but it's fair to say that Xbox is his life.

My feelings on Xbox change every time I attempt to figure out what my feelings are. I've stared at that sentence on and off for a week or so, wondering if I can just stop there and publish, letting people think I've made a highly intellectual point and didn't in fact just have a jumbled mess of thoughts stuck in my head.

I want to say something about the present and future of Microsoft's gaming division, but what exactly, and where do I possibly start? As someone with more fondness for Xbox than the average person (no doubt why my son is so keen on the console that "has no games") I find it bizarre in the extreme that we are entering what might be the best period for Xbox-published games of all time while the uncertainty over the future of the company's console business and general public sentiment has never been rockier.

I'm not going to suggest Xbox is safe because my son prefers it to PlayStation, but he's clearly not the only person who thinks this. There's always a running commentary alongside video game consoles that is desperate to declare winners and losers - I know this as I've been part of that group. If we're talking about Xbox vs PlayStation, well, PlayStation has won. Simple. Add to this the fact that there are no "red lines" for Xbox games coming to other platforms now, and it's easy to see where the doomongering comes from.

Xbox has always struggled to gain a strong footing outside the US and has underperformed in Europe. My view is that you either like Xbox because of its hardware and functionality, or you dislike it because it hasn't had enough/any big exclusive games - the latter usually being too much of a mountain to climb for most people. The notion that the major reason to buy a console is to play the games exclusively available for it has gone out the window completely at Xbox. In fact there aren't any windows at all, or a ceiling, or walls. Xbox is essentially an idea floating around now, uncontained, and that's hard for people to pin an allegiance to - and allegiances do matter.

So does Xbox, the console/box/machine, have a future? Sorry for being that guy again, but I think it all comes down to Xbox Game Pass. Ever since Game Pass promised Day One games from Microsoft it felt like an unbelievable service, one that I expected people would be all over. It reminds me of the summer I got a cinema pass and would watch two or three movies a day over the school holiday. I felt like I'd found a loophole akin to carrying in a bottle of coke and a packet of Minstrels under my coat. Why not watch Toy Story 2 a second time, followed by Gladiator? For me, Game Pass worked. I was sold on Xbox and I enjoyed the games. But what if you didn't think much of the Xbox line-up because it was missing the blockbusters? I can see how that is a big problem. A U-571/Frequency double bill isn't for everyone, even if you've already paid for the tickets.


Put it in quotes.
 

GHG

Member
My son is all-in on Xbox. On the TV he only plays Xbox. He prefers the Xbox UI and services (not that he'd use that term, he's not a robot), the Xbox controller, and the fact that he has Game Pass on there. He has multiple Xbox hoodies and bemoaned the lack of an Xbox birthday cake in the supermarket that was selling a PlayStation-branded one. When I ask him if he thinks he'll prefer PlayStation one day, he's typically pre-teen: "Why would I?" he replies as if talking to the world's dumbest man. He's not a console warrior, but it's fair to say that Xbox is his life.

If Xbox ends up being my sons life then I've failed at fatherhood.
 
Ok this has to be satire or a troll cause if not then wtf!!!! His son has multiple xbox hoodies and wanted an xbox themed cake for his birthday...

"My son is all-in on Xbox. On the TV he only plays Xbox. He prefers the Xbox UI and services (not that he'd use that term, he's not a robot), the Xbox controller, and the fact that he has Game Pass on there. He has multiple Xbox hoodies and bemoaned the lack of an Xbox birthday cake in the supermarket that was selling a PlayStation-branded one. When I ask him if he thinks he'll prefer PlayStation one day, he's typically pre-teen: "Why would I?" he replies as if talking to the world's dumbest man. He's not a console warrior, but it's fair to say that Xbox is his life."
 

GHG

Member
Ok this has to be satire or a troll cause if not then wtf!!!! His son has multiple xbox hoodies and wanted an xbox themed cake for his birthday...

"My son is all-in on Xbox. On the TV he only plays Xbox. He prefers the Xbox UI and services (not that he'd use that term, he's not a robot), the Xbox controller, and the fact that he has Game Pass on there. He has multiple Xbox hoodies and bemoaned the lack of an Xbox birthday cake in the supermarket that was selling a PlayStation-branded one. When I ask him if he thinks he'll prefer PlayStation one day, he's typically pre-teen: "Why would I?" he replies as if talking to the world's dumbest man. He's not a console warrior, but it's fair to say that Xbox is his life."

I think the author might be DenchDeckard DenchDeckard

He also has a tendency to use his son as a shield when he wants to stan for Xbox.
 

IFireflyl

Gold Member
havoc00 havoc00 , Xbox as a brand has a future. Xbox as a console has a bleak future at best, and no future at worst. This is because Microsoft does not respect their own hardware. If their hardware was leaps-and-bounds ahead of the competition, then Xbox hardware would have a future. But it is only on-par with the competition. So if the hardware itself isn't exceling, then its salvation would have to come from the software.

The issue here is that Microsoft is devaluing their own hardware by putting their games (the software) on both PC and PlayStation. Sony is already crushing Microsoft in terms of hardware sales worldwide. Someone deciding on a console to purchase is more likely to go with the console that has exclusives that they want, and/or the console that their friends have. Since exclusives don't exist for Xbox anymore, and since the majority of consoles are Switch or PlayStation, there is absolutely no reason for those people to chose an Xbox over a PC/PlayStation/Switch.

Xbox (the hardware, not the brand) has poisoned themselves. The only way they survive is by taking the antidote. In this case, what they need to survive is a massive, and I mean absolutely gargantuan, shake-up of how they are doing business. The mismanagement of Xbox has been Microsoft's greatest failure since the Xbox 360. I'm saying this as someone who loves the Xbox Series X. There is absolutely no reason for me to purchase their next console, because everything I want will be on PC, and on other consoles who will also have their own exclusives.

The only reason that Xbox consoles will be beneficial at this time is if people don't want (or can't afford) a gaming PC, and those same people also want Game Pass. But Microsoft is also trying to make that hardware requirement a non-issue via cloud gaming, so even that isn't rock solid. I get your love of Xbox (and your son's), but there is nothing about Microsoft's management of Xbox that indicates that it is worth sticking to their platform.

Good kid. One of a kind.

I want to make a joke about him literally being one of a kind, because he is the only kid who wants an Xbox... but I don't want to be mean to my man havoc00 havoc00 . He's good people.
 
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Fess

Member
Stopped reading here...

Also classic case of people thinking their kid is special.
If you start downplaying your kids for being nothing special you’ve failed at life.
But this is a dumb shill article so I stopped reading early on as well. And Gamepass is not going to save the Xbox console business, it’s already dead. But ports to PlayStation and Switch could save Gamepass since MS would get regular game purchases that way while still having them day 1 on Gamepass.
 

havoc00

Member
havoc00 havoc00 , Xbox as a brand has a future. Xbox as a console has a bleak future at best, and no future at worst. This is because Microsoft does not respect their own hardware. If their hardware was leaps-and-bounds ahead of the competition, then Xbox hardware would have a future. But it is only on-par with the competition. So if the hardware itself isn't exceling, then its salvation would have to come from the software.

The issue here is that Microsoft is devaluing their own hardware by putting their games (the software) on both PC and PlayStation. Sony is already crushing Microsoft in terms of hardware sales worldwide. Someone deciding on a console to purchase is more likely to go with the console that has exclusives that they want, and/or the console that their friends have. Since exclusives don't exist for Xbox anymore, and since the majority of consoles are Switch or PlayStation, there is absolutely no reason for those people to chose an Xbox over a PC/PlayStation/Switch.

Xbox (the hardware, not the brand) has poisoned themselves. The only way they survive is by taking the antidote. In this case, what they need to survive is a massive, and I mean absolutely gargantuan, shake-up of how they are doing business. The mismanagement of Xbox has been Microsoft's greatest failure since the Xbox 360. I'm saying this as someone who loves the Xbox Series X. There is absolutely no reason for me to purchase their next console, because everything I want will be on PC, and on other consoles who will also have their own exclusives.

The only reason that Xbox consoles will be beneficial at this time is if people don't want (or can't afford) a gaming PC, and those same people also want Game Pass. But Microsoft is also trying to make that hardware requirement a non-issue via cloud gaming, so even that isn't rock solid. I get your love of Xbox (and your son's), but there is nothing about Microsoft's management of Xbox that indicates that it is worth sticking to their platform.



I want to make a joke about him literally being one of a kind, because he is the only kid who wants an Xbox... but I don't want to be mean to my man havoc00 havoc00 . He's good people.
I mean at this point with everything going to ps, there really is no reason to own the next xbox, unless they pivot again before that releases.
 

Thief1987

Member
If you start downplaying your kids for being nothing special you’ve failed at life.
But this is a dumb shill article so I stopped reading early on as well. And Gamepass is not going to save the Xbox console business, it’s already dead. But ports to PlayStation and Switch could save Gamepass since MS would get regular game purchases that way while still having them day 1 on Gamepass.
Well, how he describe his son in the first paragraph he is certainly special, not that kind of special though
 

IFireflyl

Gold Member
I mean at this point with everything going to ps, there really is no reason to own the next xbox, unless they pivot again before that releases.

Exactly. And again, their management structure is going to hurt them here. Xbox as a division used to have very little oversight. Their costs are now so great between Xbox's acquisitions, R&D, and Game Pass that Microsoft as a company is getting more involved with decision making. They need/want a ROI to make their shareholders/stakeholders happy. Since they get more revenue by releasing games on other platforms, I don't see papa Microsoft turning that ship around and going against the current to try to save their hardware.

The people outside of the gaming division only care about money. If it makes them more money to go third-party, they will go third-party. And if they don't go back to having console exclusives, then they will eventually shut down the hardware division because there won't be enough people purchasing an Xbox to make it worth the R&D costs.

I could be wrong about this, of course. I just don't see a logical way, with current leadership and the decisions being made, that Xbox will be anything more than a third-party publisher in the next 10 years or so.
 
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