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[THE DUCK]

Exactly. Look at Minecraft and other's MS games released on switch and PlayStation. They don't care what you play their games on, which I see as not only consumer friendly, but a smart decision from a business perspective. Either way, they are benefiting from your money vs only being able to play this game on this specific hardware.

Lol it's a smart decision to sell all your best AAA games on your direct competitors console while trying to sell a console base? I swear you guys are dillusional. It's the whole reason they have been buying developers for billions (with a b).

 

[elliot5]

idgaf about what platform a game goes to, being included on game pass day 1 is enough for me

 

[Stuart360]

Yeah. So "MS don't care where you play their games, they get your money either way" is simply not the case. That's what some people are claiming, and what I'm arguing against.

Well even Phil said in an interveiw that selling hardware is very important to them as you need hardware for Gamepass. If Gamepass was streaming only it may be a diferent story.
But i still feel that any game they feel will be a potential 'system seller' or gain a huge number of Gamepass subs, will stay exclusive. Anything else will be on a case by case basis.

 

[kingfey]

No it doesn't work that way. You can just change the deal because you can pay them enough. Papers are signed agreement is made.
There is nothing to it. Hell is not even guaranteed to be on gamepass lol

MS owns bethesda now. So Disney would make a new deal with MS. That is a loophole for MS.

Plus day1 gamepass doesn't affect anything except xbox. So Disney could see this as opportunity to make more money from MS.

 

[RoadHazard]

Well even Phil said in an interveiw that selling hardware is very important to them as you need hardware for Gamepass. If Gamepass was streaming only it may be a diferent story.
But i still feel that any game they feel will be a potential 'system seller' or gain a huge number of Gamepass subs, will stay exclusive. Anything else will be on a case by case basis.

No disagreements there.

 

[Topher]

The only Bethesda studio I don’t really care about after the new Wolfenstein games. Maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised but I don’t expect anything good.

They did a pretty good job with Wolfenstein except for Young Blood. Not sure what happened there.

 

[Stuart360]

They did a pretty good job with Wolfenstein except for Young Blood. Not sure what happened there.

The whole 'White Nazi bastard' shit in Woilfenstein 2 was also cringy though. Youngblood was on a whole different level of cringe though lol.

 

[Topher]

The whole 'White Nazi bastard' shit in Woilfenstein 2 was also cringy though. Youngblood was on a whole different level of cringe though lol.

Honestly, I can't imagine many developers making a game with Nazis in it without some serious cringe. It is as if writers feel compelled to go over the top when dealing with subject matter like that for fear of being labeled a sympathizer. Hopefully they will be able to be more subtle with Indiana Jones as I'm guessing he will be fighting Nazis again.

 

[SLB1904]

MS owns bethesda now. So Disney would make a new deal with MS. That is a loophole for MS.

Plus day1 gamepass doesn't affect anything except xbox. So Disney could see this as opportunity to make more money from MS.

Gamepass still a platform own its own. If the agreement with Bethesda doesn't mention gamepass. It won't release on gamepass. How gamepass doesn't affect anything lol
What? Do you think Disney will put on gamepass for free lol Microsoft will have to renegotiate the contract with Disney. And Phillip already said he will honour the contracts. The same way the ps Bethesda games aren't on on xbox.

Also xbox buying Bethesda is buying their liabilities Disney isn't forced to renegotiate

 

[abacab driver]

Where are all you guys that "can't stand Jez Corden and his BS rumors!?"

Got the same energy for this one?

 

[kingfey]

Gamepass still a platform own its own. If the agreement with Bethesda doesn't mention gamepass. It won't release on gamepass. How gamepass doesn't affect anything lol
What? Do you think Disney will put on gamepass for free lol Microsoft will have to renegotiate the contract with Disney. And Phillip already said he will honour the contracts. The same way the ps Bethesda games aren't on on xbox.

Also xbox buying Bethesda is buying their liabilities Disney isn't forced to renegotiate

Xbox 1st party studio is making the game. Their 1st party games drop on gamepass, unless it was timed exclusives on other devices.

MS won't sit down and miss this oppurunity. As long as their studio is working on this game, they have a chance to put it day1 on gamepass.

 

[SLB1904]

Where are all you guys that "can't stand Jez Corden and his BS rumors!?"

Got the same energy for this one?

No one is arguing the if the rumour is true or not. People are arguing the implications of the deal prior of the acquisition. Pay attention next time

 

[mejin]

Hard blow If true

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

It's interesting to witness how most games from both Bethesda and Activision in the future will be everywhere anyway and some are timed exclusive on PlayStation or at least their marketing deals are there.

The outrageous responses for these two acquisitions were so overblown in hindsight...

MS won't take full advantage of both of these publishers before 2025 at this point...I mean, we're even getting rumors of a call of duty exclusively on VR2...

 

[SLB1904]

Xbox 1st party studio is making the game. Their 1st party games drop on gamepass, unless it was timed exclusives on other devices.

MS won't sit down and miss this oppurunity. As long as their studio is working on this game, they have a chance to put it day1 on gamepass.

Again xbox first party studios is making a game from a 3rd party ip.
Just because you are the builder doesn't mean you own the place.

Edit: again there is nothing stopping them to negotiate the deal to put on gamepass or Sony to put on ps plus.
It can go either way depending on the parties willing to negotiate

 

[blacktout]

I never thought it would be exclusive. That deal was made prior to the acquisition....there would have been no reason to make it xbox exclusive when negotiating with Disney then.

Yeah, this was my first thought too. One symptom of consolidation is going to be more first party games (from both PS and MS) that are not console exclusives, because of the messy web of contractual obligations that comes with all of these acquired studios and the adjacent stakeholders and license holders.

Add to that the desire of both Sony and Microsoft to find sources of revenue outside of software sales on their proprietary boxes and the situation only becomes messier and murkier.

 

[kingfey]

Again xbox first party studios is making a game from a 3rd party ip.
Just because you are the builder doesn't mean you own the place.

Are you saying, a game which xbox 1st party is making, won't drop on gamepass? And that MS would be happy with that contract?

 

[Bernd Lauert]

All I need tbh

 

[SLB1904]

Are you saying, a game which xbox 1st party is making, won't drop on gamepass? And that MS would be happy with that contract?

Yeah?... I mean deathloop is owned by Microsoft and is still getting support till this day and is not even on any xbox platforms

 

[Jormatar]

Good stuff. I doubt this game scratches my itch for a Naughty Dog Uncharted game but should still be decent fun.

 

[Mr Moose]

You do realize one of the most successful games is available on just about all platforms? It could have been exclusive. Take off the warrior goggles. I applaud whoever allows even more people to play their games. There's no reason to gatekeep games from anyone now a days.

Yup

Did you think they would remove an already 3rd party game that was available on Vita, PS3 and PS4? Weird thing to give them credit for but OK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minecraft

• PlayStation 3
• NA: 17 December 2013
• EU: 18 December 2013
• PlayStation 4
• WW: 4 September 2014[7]
• WW: 5 September 2014[8]
• PlayStation Vita
• NA: 14 October 2014[9]
• EU: 15 October 2014

On 15 September 2014, Microsoft announced a $2.5 billion deal to buy Mojang, along with the ownership of the Minecraft intellectual property. The deal was suggested by Persson when he posted a tweet asking a corporation to buy his share of the game after receiving criticism for enforcing terms in the game's end user license agreement (EULA), which had been present in the EULA in the prior three years.According to Persson, Mojang CEO Carl Manneh received a call from a Microsoft executive shortly after the tweet, asking if Persson was serious about a deal. Mojang was also approached by other companies including Activision Blizzard and Electronic Arts. The deal with Microsoft was arbitrated on 6 November 2014, and led to Persson becoming one of Forbes' "World's Billionaires".

 

[GhostOfTsu]

Exactly. Look at Minecraft and other's MS games released on switch and PlayStation. They don't care what you play their games on, which I see as not only consumer friendly, but a smart decision from a business perspective. Either way, they are benefiting from your money vs only being able to play this game on this specific hardware.

That's because they keep buying franchises that are already out, announced or deep in development. It's not "their" games, they are just stuck with whatever the plan was. They didn't create any of it. Sony was also a publisher for Minecraft already lol

They did cancel Starfield PS5 tho, maybe the next Doom, ES6 too so stop giving them the good role in your little crusade.

So consumer friendly

 

[CherryFalls]

Lol if true

 

[mitch1971]

Indi's that old, now, even the game will come with a stunt double for him.

 

[kingfey]

Yeah?... I mean deathloop is owned by Microsoft and is still getting support till this day and is not even on any xbox platforms

That is timed exclusive. This game isn't a timed exclusive. It's on all platforms. Nothing stops MS from putting this game day1 on gamepass.

 

[Mr Moose]

We want AAA games not Indies.

*Runs away*

 

[SLB1904]

Nothing stops MS from putting this game day1 on gamepass.

Yes the contract. Microsoft doesn't decide where the game release that's on Disney.

 

[yurinka]

I don’t think MS gives a shit about keeping games off PS

As of today game sales are a big, important part of the gaming revenue, while subscriptions are a tiny one.

The biggest platform for AAA game sales is PlayStation.

So as of today to make the biggest amount of money makes sense to continue releasing them in PlayStation.

I assume MS's plan is to keep releasing stuff and PS but also including them -when allowed- in GP to keep growing GP to a point it would make finantial sense for them (if that ever happens) to keep them away from PS.

 

[RoboFu]

I actually never thought once that it would be. At most a timed exclusive maybe but MS is trying to build brand at this point.

 

[kingfey]

Yes the contract. Microsoft doesn't decide where the game release that's on Disney.

What stops MS from negotiating with the contract?
You think that MS would simply ignore negotiating day1 for the game?

 

[Chukhopops]

They did a pretty good job with Wolfenstein except for Young Blood. Not sure what happened there.

I really felt a drop in quality between The New Order and The New Colossus, worse level design, worse story and a stronger focus on BJ’s backstory (which nobody ever asked for).

Youngblood was just plain shit, couldn’t even play it more than 2 hours.

 

[kingfey]

We want AAA games not Indies.

*Runs away*

 

[abacab driver]

No one is arguing the if the rumour is true or not. People are arguing the implications of the deal prior of the acquisition. Pay attention next time

If you paid attention, you'd know that the fact that nobody is arguing whether it's true or not never stopped every other Jez Corden rumor thread from getting shit up by people who "can't stand him and all the BS positve hype" from him and other guys in the know.
Where they at now?

Don't try and play stupid.

 

[Hezekiah]

This is perfectly logical - XBox don't care which platform you play their games on. But of course, there is one big advantage to subscribing to Game Pass because you'll get to play the game for your subscription cost (which might be as little as $1 or even free) or pay $70 to buy it on PlayStation. It certainly won't be offered as part of their PS+.

I thought Bethesda games were $60?

And it's not like games stay that price forever. Plus if it doesn't sell a lot at launch, it will drop in price more quickly (with the added benefit of ownership).

 

[Mr Moose]

The joke doesn't even work properly, it would be Indys

 

[kingfey]

The joke doesn't even work properly, it would be Indys

But do those indys have a wip, in order to make AAA?

 

[kyliethicc]

Big mistake by MS as this could been their exclusive Uncharted.

Issue is they don’t have Naughty Dog to make it. It’s not the IP - it’s the developers.

 

[SLB1904]

What stops MS from negotiating with the contract?
You think that MS would simply ignore negotiating day1 for the game?

Nothing. But we having heard anything from them. We don't know what's going on behind the curtains. My point is Disney call the shots not ms

 

[Zeroing]

Yes the contract. Microsoft doesn't decide where the game release that's on Disney.

Disney is not here to play, they want money.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Big mistake by MS as this could been their exclusive Uncharted.

Those are some giant shoes to fill

 

[Magic Carpet]

Yeah, this was my first thought too. One symptom of consolidation is going to be more first party games (from both PS and MS) that are not console exclusives, because of the messy web of contractual obligations that comes with all of these acquired studios and the adjacent stakeholders and license holders.

And yet Sony seems to be able to manage multi year long deals with giant companies including Disney for exclusivity.

News of multi year deals for Sony going back a long way make Microsoft look like a bunch of Simps.
COD, Bethesda, Disney, I would even add Double Fine though I know the reasons there.

What stops MS from negotiating with the contract?
You think that MS would simply ignore negotiating day1 for the game?

It seems the Simping of Microsoft itself stops them from Negotiating contracts.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I don’t think MS gives a shit about keeping games off PS

If that were true, Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6 would be going to PS5.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

microsoft doesn't own the ip. they have no itauthority on the matter

As I understand it, the ip, the game and the publisher have different rights based on the contract and there is not a standard rule.


Nintendo does not own the Bayonetta IP and needs Sega blessing to make more games and Sega can have anyone make other Bayonetta games if they choose however no company and port Bayonetta 2 or 3 without Nintendo's blessing.

I would assume the same thing with this and Indy.

Not that I disagree with you I just find all this stuff interesting.

 

[SLB1904]

If you paid attention, you'd know that the fact that nobody is arguing whether it's true or not never stopped every other Jez Corden rumor thread from getting shit up by people who "can't stand him and all the BS positve hype" from him and other guys in the know.
Where they at now?

Don't try and play stupid.

Different thread content. Is not disclosing anything that we all assume could be true.
There is a possibility the game can be exclusive. So far the assumption is multiplat. He's not something we haven't heard. Like for example Microsoft bought take 2 or something like that. I don't give a shit about is opinion on the matter. We are arguing what are the implications of the deal. I'm not playing stupid. Or giving him any credit. Shit could go both ways, you don't need to be an insider to guess something like this

As I understand it, the ip, the game and the publisher have different rights based on the contract and there is not a standard rule.


Nintendo does not own the Bayonetta IP and needs Sega blessing to make more games and Sega can have anyone make other Bayonetta games if they choose however no company and port Bayonetta 2 or 3 without Nintendo's blessing.

I would assume the same thing with this and Indy.

Not that I disagree with you I just find all this stuff interesting.

Exactly it all depends on the contract. If Sega says hey Nintendo pay me for the publishing rights of bayonetta 2 and 3 which is the case. Only Nintendo can decide where the game will be published.
If Disney said hey Bethesda we obviously don't have developers I'll pay this amount of money to develop this game for me, and that's all there is. They got paid to make the game not to decide the fate of the game

 

[Topher]

If you paid attention, you'd know that the fact that nobody is arguing whether it's true or not never stopped every other Jez Corden rumor thread from getting shit up by people who "can't stand him and all the BS positve hype" from him and other guys in the know.
Where they at now?

 

[Mr. Banana]

I believe that Microsoft's strategy at this point is obviously the opposite of Sony's: Ms is interested in increasing the number of gamepass subscribers, and users are interested in knowing that they will receive the game on day one at a fraction of the price. COD such as Indiana Jones and all other first party games will be placed on 100% gamepass (the maximum that could happen, but I don't think this is the case, it would be a delay for the arrival of COD on the service, if sony has paid for it too. But the point is that marketing or not, xbox or gamepass users will have the opportunity to access the same games at a much lower price than on playstation.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I really felt a drop in quality between The New Order and The New Colossus, worse level design, worse story and a stronger focus on BJ’s backstory (which nobody ever asked for).

Youngblood was just plain shit, couldn’t even play it more than 2 hours.

Youngblood is the one with the girl power stuff in it right?

 

[kingfey]

Nothing. But we having heard anything from them. We don't know what's going on behind the curtains. My point is Disney call the shots not ms

Disney call the shot, but they aren't making the game.
The studio that is making the game is a MS 1st party studio. This gives MS a reason to negotiate for that.

But as you said, we don't anything from behind the curtains. We will know that, once the trailer drops.

 

[Vognerful]

Honestly, I can't imagine many developers making a game with Nazis in it without some serious cringe. It is as if writers feel compelled to go over the top when dealing with subject matter like that for fear of being labeled a sympathizer. Hopefully they will be able to be more subtle with Indiana Jones as I'm guessing he will be fighting Nazis again.

I can't comment on youngblood as the reviews did not compel me to play it. But I understand why they try to do with the Nazis in 2 and it has nothing to do about sympathizing, it is the other way around.

In fact I remember before the 2nd game got released, there was noise about how the game was "very hard on Nazis" and that scene with Reagan. They made a Tweet and doubled down on that attitude.

If anything, they don't want to create chance for some people where they end up idolizing bad role models. In this case, the Nazis.

 

[Spitfire098]

Looking forward to playing this Uncharted clone.

Edit: a few people seen to be upset by this news, lol which makes this whole thing even funnier