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Found this on reddit.

Jez on Future of Xbox

This is coming from XboxTwo discord and it’s a doozy:

“All Xbox first-party games coming to PlayStation, even Forza, Halo
- Xbox will be more Steam-like in the future
- Affordable prices, sales, more open for devs
- Future Xbox-Hardware gonna be for fans who want it
- Xbox hardware will be niche like Steam Deck
- Next Xbox will side-load Steam
- "I don't think they expect to ever grow in hardware"

he said "Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly"





Reminder, the discord screenshot that floated around that detailed Indiana Jones likeness, and 1st POV ended up being correct. Jez tried to debunk it, but is looking like he’s wrong again




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Fucked up the title, meant to say future.

 

[The Pleasure]

I owned the original xbox, 360 and the xbone. The original xbox was worth owning. The 360 was hot for the first three years. But now? I feel like I gave them more than enough chances.

 

[Darkness_Arises]

Read the title as Jez on the OF XBox, I thought that Phil had MS collaborating with Only Fans to reach more neckbeards and that mythical 100 million gamepass subs. On topic, this makes complete sense, but I have no idea who was harbouring the delusion that most MS games would not come to PS5 and Nintendo's next handheld as well. Phil and co. tried an insanely risky move with day one gamepass and PC releases. Unfortunately that resulted in migration to PC and consumer aversion to purchasing games, which means that software sales have cratered on XBox. The best platform for selling games is Nintendo, a captive audience that pays 60 USD for absolutely anemic crapware like Mario Party (I am also guilty of this) driving it to multi-million sales is quite lucrative.

 

[killatopak]

he said "Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly"

Is this supposed to make me feel bad?

Those points are all positive if you’re not a die hard xbox fan. Lower prices, frequent sales and access to Steam? Sony Monopoly all day.

 

[DeVeAn]

I feel Series X is the better hardware but PlayStation 5 still has more exclusives people care enough about.

 

[bitbydeath]

Curious what this will mean for GamePass since it is mostly only subbed to on Xbox.

 

[Dorfdad]

So than they are going third party but just saying it in a different way. Xbox will still be there but it’s a stripped down pc if you wanna buy it.

Wonder what this does to their cloud initiative

 

[Loomy]

"Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly"

Okay, Jez lol. Microsoft is literally the most valuable company in the world if they wanted to actually compete against Sony, they could.

 

[diffusionx]

Yea, no shit. Did anyone really think that they were just going to stop with Sea of Thieves?

Okay, Jez lol. Microsoft is literally the most valuable company in the world if they wanted to actually compete against Sony, they could.

So, the past 23 years, they just weren't trying?

 

[VolticArchangel]

 

[SlimySnake]

Playing MLB the show over the week made me realize just how complacent sony can get, and just how lazy multiplatform releases can be. MS already struggles with quality (See redfall and forza's PC release), i dont know if i want their devs going multiplatform and chasing trends.

That said, the positive side of this is that MS could potentially release a powerful $1,000 next gen console with all kinds of fancy new tech for path tracing. it will appeal to the more affluent and older millennial userbase and there is plenty of them. if the economy doesnt crash, there will be a bigger market for it than either sony or ms think.

Sony might also ease up on signing up third party exclusives and maybe invest that money back into first party games. get those games out faster. im honestly baffled that sony spent god knows how many millions on buying up godfall, deathloop, ghostwire, forspoken, stellar blade, rise of ronin, ff7 rebirth and ff16. i dont think i love any of those games. i somewhat liked ff16 but the rest, thanks but no thanks. give me first party games instead. of course, if they have a monopoly would they continue to invest in those first party games? i honestly dont know, but im trying to look at the positives here.

 

[kikkis]

I think they should get rid of Game pass core.

 

[demigod]

Yea, no shit. Did anyone really think that they were just going to stop with Sea of Thieves?


So, the past 23 years, they just weren't trying?

Edit: I should’ve clarified, I’m not one of the crazies that thought this.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Well….he ended up owning himself with this comment, not only was it wrong but he ended up being the fanboy now because he’s saying everything is coming

 

[onQ123]

So short lived project?

 

[Embearded]

Yea, no shit. Did anyone really think that they were just going to stop with Sea of Thieves?


So, the past 23 years, they just weren't trying?

For the past ~13 years they were doing it wrong. They are in this position today because of their choices mainly.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Bring on Halo Whizbang or whatever the next thing is on PS5.

Going mobile and niche like Steam Deck for hardware might be better for them, and they might end up making more by just publishing everywhere.

 

[bitbydeath]

Between this and the news of Xcast going, I wonder if MS said something.

 

[diffusionx]

For the past ~13 years they were doing it wrong. They are in this position today because of their choices mainly.

I'd agree with that, but they didn't intentionally make the wrong choices. And unfortunately they can't build a time machine and go back and undo it, so they have to work with what they got now.

 

[Bloobs]

OnlyFans/Xbox

 

[//DEVIL//]

Ill only share this.

 

[semiconscious]

'in jez we trust shake our heads...'

 

[Embearded]

I'd agree with that, but they didn't intentionally make the wrong choices. And unfortunately they can't build a time machine and go back and undo it, so they have to work with what they got now.

Yes i don't think they intentionally did it.
I am not gonna reorat myself about their mistakes and how they should have handled them, you are right, no time machine so no reason for that.

It's a shame if they become a third party. Personally i don't own an Xbox and was never intrigued to get one. But i need them for stronger competition.

 

[onQ123]

Welcome to the next stage of War

 

[TwiztidElf]

Jez said "Nobody wanted to give Xbox a chance, so this is what they get with a Sony monopoly"

This actually pisses me off.
I was a huge XBox fan OG and what the fuck does he think the 360 was and all the success that had? And Halo?

They fucked up. Not us.

 

[Kurotri]

They had ample time. More than a decade. I also bought a Series X. The fuck you mean no one wanted to give them a chance? Piss off. This isn't some small indie company, it's the biggest, richest company on earth.

 

[Darkness_Arises]

Ill only share this.

XBox fans like this have probably the weirdest parasocial relationship in human history with a corp exec (Phil Spencer). If I am not mistaken, this is the same retard that sang the cringe AF 'All hail spencer' song. Why would you attach this way to a corp exec or gaming brand, bringing this upon yourself? I used to lurk GAF when the PS4 released and we got the good ol' Kaz gifs, it was funny AF and in general taking the mickey out of Kaz. Then Xbox fans took that template and made it cringe AF and devolved it to Spencer woorhip.

 

[nial]

Sony might also ease up on signing up third party exclusives and maybe invest that money back into first party games.

The difference between forum talk and official comments from SIE is that they see both internally and externally developed games as 'first-party'. For Hiroki Totoki, all the money spent on Stellar Blade is first-party investment, and saying that they should only give money for internally developed projects is dumb; Sony has never worked like that, and they didn't establish three different XDEV studios for nothing.
So in the end, you will see more Rise of the Ronins going forward (and I'm all for it).

 

[ManaByte]

Release Halo Infinite already.

 

[Klayzer]

The difference between forum talk and official comments from SIE is that they see both internally and externally developed games as 'first-party'. For Hiroki Totoki, all the money spent on Stellar Blade is first-party investment, and saying that they should only give money for internally developed projects is dumb; Sony has never worked like that, and they didn't establish three different XDEV studios for nothing.
So in the end, you will see more Rise of the Ronins going forward (and I'm all for it).

Give me those outside developed projects like, Stellar, Ronin, Nioh, GrandBlue, etc. Played and enjoyed those games, more than any of their internal projects.

 

[Loomy]

Sony might also ease up on signing up third party exclusives and maybe invest that money back into first party games. get those games out faster. im honestly baffled that sony spent god knows how many millions on buying up godfall, deathloop, ghostwire, forspoken, stellar blade, rise of ronin, ff7 rebirth and ff16. i dont think i love any of those games. i somewhat liked ff16 but the rest, thanks but no thanks. give me first party games instead. of course, if they have a monopoly would they continue to invest in those first party games? i honestly dont know, but im trying to look at the positives here.

I think you're going to see the opposite. Had it not been for Rise of Ronin, Stellar Blade, and FF7:Rebirth, Helldivers 2 would have been the only exclusive the first half of this year.

Hopefully they're organizing their studios to better manage a release cadence, but they need 3rd party to fill in those gaps. If they can make it exclusive, even better from their perspective.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It's interesting. We're likely to see two distinct approaches to handhelds in the coming years from Microsoft and Sony, but the key difference will be Microsoft's handheld will be a portable PC while Sony's while be a Portable PlayStation.

Ironically, Microsoft's handheld will likely play PlayStation games on it, UNLESS Sony pulls their current or future games from Steam and pushes for their own PC storefront and prevents that storefront from running on Microsoft's handheld, which will be difficult to do.

Sony will probably have an advantage in Asia and Europe, but ultimately depending on price, they might be outmaneuvered. They will really have to win out on price and volume.

 

[MarkMe2525]

So, a short-lived project?

It's hard to say without more context. What did you specifically mean when you said "games as a service model"? If I were to have read your original post outside of the context of this thread, I would have assumed you were referring to Microsoft moving away from traditional game sales and exclusively releasing games on Game Pass. This speculation does not seem to be referring to that scenario.

 

[nial]

Give me those outside developed projects like, Stellar, Ronin, Nioh, GrandBlue, etc. Played and enjoyed those games, more than any of their internal projects.

I would put Nioh aside, that one is more of a FFXVI exclusivity deal, as you didn't have SIE producers working on it like with Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade. And I don't think they paid anything for Granblue, lol.
Helldivers 2, Death Stranding 2 and Lost Soul Aside are better examples.

 

[adamsapple]

So short lived project?

bender is freaking Nostradamus.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Personally, I'm happy with MS going more niche with their console. The more they differentiate it from PlayStation the better from my perspective as otherwise I end up with 2 very similar boxes next to each other.

 

[Ashamam]

They will really have to win out on price and volume.

The moment Xbox becomes PC based Sony gets an automatic win on ease of use. By the sounds of it they probably will have a price advantage as well since Xbox will no longer eat the subsidy. Hardware volume is also an automatic win if Xbox goes niche. So I think Sony is in a pretty safe place, the only risk they have is if 3rd party devs stop supporting the console, which seems unlikely if they are the goto for performant value priced consoles.

 

[bitbydeath]

The difference between forum talk and official comments from SIE is that they see both internally and externally developed games as 'first-party'. For Hiroki Totoki, all the money spent on Stellar Blade is first-party investment, and saying that they should only give money for internally developed projects is dumb; Sony has never worked like that, and they didn't establish three different XDEV studios for nothing.
So in the end, you will see more Rise of the Ronins going forward (and I'm all for it).

Imagine if XDev collaborates with Microsoft in future to fund and improve the quality of their games!

I would love an Elder Scrolls collab, give em the Decima engine.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Personally, I'm happy with MS going more niche with their console. The more they differentiate it from PlayStation the better from my perspective as otherwise I end up with 2 very similar boxes next to each other.

It's probably going to be what I said a while back:

Once Xbox starts publishing games on Playstation and Nintendo, any piece of hardware they release is pretty much DOA.

They'll probably be happy with ~20M sales and brag about how they're the only cross-platform publisher with a dedicated fanbase (whoever is left over).

 

[nial]

Imagine if XDev collaborates with Microsoft in future to fund and improve the quality of their games!

I would love an Elder Scrolls collab, give em the Decima engine.

Not even going to be considered, lmao. I wouldn't want that either.

 

[Skifi28]

Am I still allowed to laugh at the "only 4 games" thing?

Anyway, I wonder how long until we get 50 identical articles about how consoles are now officially dead and the future is in whatever Microsoft is doing.

 

[damidu]

oh no another wave of 50+ y.o manbaby meltdowns incoming...

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

I think it's Xover...

I loved the original Xbox, loved the Xbox 360, but Microsoft jumped the shark with the one and that was it, they never managed to correct the course.

Here's another hot take, I think a big issue is the corporate culture at Microsoft, like a lot of west coast tech companies, doesn't actually like games or gamers anymore, "gamer" has a negative connotation to the people that run these companies, this ain't the 2000s anymore.

They probably regret even getting involved in this industry, but now they're going to basically do the bare minimum out of pure momentum.

It sucks, I was always rooting for a comeback from them, but every step of the way they bungled it, like with Crackdown 3, the face of the Fable reboot protag says it all, they're not a company interested in getting back what they've lost.

 

[onQ123]

bender is freaking Nostradamus.

I'll pray for you in the GTA VI thread

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Those points are all positive if you’re not a die hard xbox fan. Lower prices, frequent sales and access to Steam? Sony Monopoly all day.

I'd argue as a "die hard xbox fan", you should be happy about this (if true). Less walled garden ecosystem, better prices, competing platforms, boutique like hardware that's not forced on you to play on the Xbox platform, among many other things. Don't know how to read this other than a huge win for the consumer. I hope they make Sony look really, really old. Everything needs to become more PC like. The dystopian reality of corporate gaming monopolies and bully tactics needs to die.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

The moment Xbox becomes PC based Sony gets an automatic win on ease of use. By the sounds of it they probably will have a price advantage as well since Xbox will no longer eat the subsidy. Hardware volume is also an automatic win if Xbox goes niche. So I think Sony is in a pretty safe place, the only risk they have is if 3rd party devs stop supporting the console, which seems unlikely if they are the goto for performant value priced consoles.

You definitely didn't read my post...

 

[Gamezone]

So Xbox will be like Steam and EGS?

 

[Nitty_Grimes]

Microsoft to buy Valve…

/s

 

[DenchDeckard]

Xbox console business died last year, 2023 was the cause.

I think MS gave Xbox so many chances over the years and I can imagine that Xbox were feeding up that 2023 will be the year they see a shift of it turning around.

Then all the games critically flopped
(Not you HiFi Rush, you're awesome)
Starfield and Forza landed like wet farts and console sales flatlined.

That was the death of Xbox as we know it.

Tbh, this is the best news for me personally if it's true. Give me the most powerful Xbox i can get and let me put steam on it, keep my existing library of xbox software and let me buy games where I want?

Couple that with an Xbox handheld?
OK!

Sounds good to me. I think there's a serious silver lining here. Probably all came from MS and xbox are now just doing what daddy says.