Kotaku Rumor: Microsoft 6 months behind in game production for X720 [Pastebin = Ban]

kaching said:
After a 7-8 yr generation, BC should be thrown in as value add and gamers should really expect nothing less from these manufacturers. I'm not interested in excuses for why they couldn't operate with the proper foresight to make it happen.
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I dunno. If it's going to impact other components and performance (they won't let anything impact the price they targeted) i don't want it.
My amp has plenty HDMI ports left and i have 3 x360's anyway :P

Would be interesting though, if Durango had a rather huge HDD and Microsoft allowed me to download all x360 games i own to use without dvd. In that case, yeah.
But they wouldn't allow me, of course.
 
Miles Quaritch said:
I'd much prefer it in the PS4 in all honesty. The 360 is pretty much dead with regards to exclusives whereas the PS3 is still going strong and likely to be for some time to come.
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This is because you may be the type of gamer who doesn't game over Live frequently or doesn't have many games at all. The fact that you only are talking about exclusives clearly shows you missed the point of BC. This isn't about some silly argument of whether a game in your collection is not on the PS3. This is about every game you buy for your console.

360 hardcore gamers play games especially multi long after the game hits the stores. Last gen wasn't even close to now and the fact that you could play Halo 2 on the 360 at launch with your friends was huge for us lajnch game 360 owners

Fast forward a gen and people will still be playing the last 3 CODs, Halo, Gears,Minecraft,etc. If like last gen you can still pop your game in and play with you friends lost on the Nextbox it will be huge. Case in point 360 gamers still play GTA IV online since it launched an it still is top 20 on Live.

No one is talking about the gamer who doesn't get a Nextbox at launch. But he like millions buy GTA 4, COD; Ghosts, Destiny etc. gamers who are still catching crazy deals over Live.

Will they have incentive to buy a new console if they Lose every bit of that when they go next gen?

Does an entire collection of games bought through XBLA become vaporware unless you keep you old console sitting under the TV forever.

This may be our reality as BC may not be possible. If it is then it will be a megaton for the people who know the reasons as Gaffers who frequent this site know. But the average gamer has no clue that is going to happen.

Just look up any forum when BC is mentioned that it might not be for one console of the other, prior to be realizing that it wouldn't likely be possible on either system. The reactions are very different from now.
 
In theory if MS did go with 8GB of GDDR5 as well, that doesn't necessarily mean that they would go with faster bandwidth. They could go with roughly the same bandwidth and cut the bus down from 256-bits to 128-bits.

A Radeon 7770 is only 72 GB/sec on a 128 bus. That would certainly reduce board complexity and make the chip easier to shrink. But this would still require a redesign so unless that had been in the works since way last year, I doubt it.
 
McHuj said:
In theory if MS did go with 8GB of GDDR5 as well, that doesn't necessarily mean that they would go with faster bandwidth. They could go with roughly the same bandwidth and cut the bus down from 256-bits to 128-bits.

A Radeon 7770 is only 72 GB/sec on a 128 bus. That would certainly reduce board complexity and make the chip easier to shrink. But this would still require a redesign so unless that had been in the works since way last year, I doubt it.
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Also why would there be ESRAM on the die as well if you can get high bandwith through GDDR5? If I remember correctly 8GB GDDR5 only became a possibility fairly recently as well?

One more thing to note is that if true, the OS footprint then becomes a huge differentiator.
 
I think MS is going DDR3 or HMC (DRAM stack)

GDDR doesn't really bond well with their QoS philosophy

The lower the latency, the more of your bandwidth is guaranteed, the less random memory problems occur (especially in random access environment)

If I were MS, I'd probably double the chips before I had to go with GDDR5

(And switch to DDR4 at double speed in the future, if possible)
 
Michael Pachter absolutely destroyed this rumor and Kotaku in his latest Gametrailers video. It was glorious.

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Baconsammy said:
Michael Pachter absolutely destroyed this rumor and Kotaku in his latest Gametrailers video. It was glorious.

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Yeah I said it in the thread about it. That was hands down the best
Pach attack ever. I didn't agree with some of his points and he wasn't aware of some of the details surrounding the questions he was responding to, but wow he was in RARE form.

He ate Koraku alive.
 
I agree about the Xbox Mini thing. I couldn't give less of a shit about past-gen stuff once the new consoles are out, and even if I did I could just hook up my 360/PS3 then.
 
dedicating a large part of your die to alleviating the limitations of slow ram would be a weird thing to do with fast ram
 
I doubt this rumor too. Is NowGamer known to be reliable at all in the past? There's no way that Sony was planning to launch in Summer, no way. Maybe that was a typo though or something.
 
Izick said:
I doubt this rumor too. Is NowGamer known to be reliable at all in the past? There's no way that Sony was planning to launch in Summer, no way. Maybe that was a typo though or something.
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Either that or this site believes Sony intended to stock retailers with millions upon millions of PS4s, and then have them sit there taking up space until November. What supplier would agree to that?
 
Izick said:
I doubt this rumor too. Is NowGamer known to be reliable at all in the past? There's no way that Sony was planning to launch in Summer, no way. Maybe that was a typo though or something.
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That comes from digitimes not nowgamer. , but I know nothing about digitimes.
 
I think you dudes are misunderstanding the shipping dates. To build up enough stock for launch, production more or less needs to begin now. Summer "shipping" dates probably refer to shipping units to a warehouse to sit until launch while millions of other units are still in production.
 
BloodMoney said:
I think you dudes are misunderstanding the shipping dates. To build up enough stock for launch, production more or less needs to begin now. Summer "shipping" dates probably refer to shipping units to a warehouse to sit until launch while millions of other units are still in production.
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Could be. The article wasn't really clear about it.
 
Pach Attack was filled with a bunch of truisms, and xbox mini.
 
Sony originally told its upstream suppliers that it will start shipping its new PS4 game consoles in June with mass shipments scheduled in August, and shipment volumes would have a chance to reach 20 million units in 2013.
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That reads it goes into full production in August, to me.
 
BloodMoney said:
I think you dudes are misunderstanding the shipping dates. To build up enough stock for launch, production more or less needs to begin now. Summer "shipping" dates probably refer to shipping units to a warehouse to sit until launch while millions of other units are still in production.
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this. Upstream shipping does not mean to the consumer, most likely they mean component for assembly in this instance.
 
the related upstream supply chain has not yet received any shipment instructions from the Japan-based vendor, implying a possible delay in the game console's mass shipment schedule, according to sources from the upstream supply chain.
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That is the whole article,the rest is filler. So because a component supplier has not gotten instructions on where to send their parts in May, they assume deadlines will not be met later in the year? Only Sony knows how long it takes to build the PS4 and where it needs to be and when.
 
Durango is fine with its DDR3 because the GPU also sees >100GB/s bandwidth to esram. The CPU sees what it needs and the GPU sees comparable BW to the GPU in PS4, even if it's trickier for developers. The rumoured system seems balanced.
 
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