Napalm_Frank
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I bet Durango isn't even supercharged.
Kotaku Rumor: Microsoft 6 months behind in game production for X720 [Pastebin = Ban]
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Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
Yeah, it's always the same, every new beginning of a new generation... You can smell the smell of napalm coming into this threads..
ahhaahah hahaha u got it man....this thread is now ur home
and add...i beat isnt even enanched
loll
Louis Cyphre
Banned
I'd have to agree. Everyone seems to be applauding Sony for making a developer friendly system. Instead what people should be saying is it's about bloody time.
Yeah, it's always the same, every new beginning of a new generation... You can smell the smell of napalm coming into this threads..
It's like a bunch of kids crying because their ice-cream cone is slightly smaller than the other kid next to them.
Ya just reading through it makes my head hurt.
Then the kid with the smaller cone claims his has chocolate at the bottom and the other kid starts bitching.
dragonelite
Member
They did kinda dickish against sony after their event for not showing a console.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
I really hope MS actually gives out some real tech specs and directly addresses the Always Online issue. If they just say 8 core CPU, 8Gb of RAM, and a custom AMD GPU it'll be really frustrating, as will talking around the Always Online DRM. Things will only get worse if that happens.
Thankfully once the gen actually gets going the System Wars will subside. That was one nice benefit of the long gen this time around. People eventually just dropped the system wars and focused on games.
I blame Microsoft. No matter whether all the bad rumors are true or not, they let them fester for too long without any damage control, to the point that even mainstream press regularly comments on them.
Has there ever been an upcoming console with so much negative hype before its reveal?
in that case (that is more likely what will happen) i hope games will show what the console is capable of
Ol No Bones
Banned
Well maybe the smaller cone with chocolate is better. It's kind of nice to eat the ice cream to the bottom and realize their is special chocolate sauce. There is also the benifit that for a balanced diet the smaller cone would be better for less empty calories. The smaller cone might reach the same calorie count when you add the secret chocolate to the count. What is your stance on caramel?
I have a feeling that, no matter what the tech specs are, the games shown will be pretty impressive, perhaps even moreso than was was shown at Sony's conference. They've had several more months of polish, may be running on hardware closer to final, and may have been carefully chosen to counter what Sony showed. Whether or not that'll hold up in final releases is anyone's guess but I expect them to have a pretty good showing of visuals at the conference.
And maybe the smaller cone leads to fewer brain-freezes. I like my ice cream with fewer bottlenecks.
Then again, maybe the bigger cone enables lower latency consumption.
Ol No Bones
Banned
they have had a few months to polish. I think the graphics through this next gen will be close or negligible in their difference.
killer rin
Member
The negative hype is mainly here and some blogs. The mainstream media is not so negative. The fact
Is in the grand scheme of things, this little bit of negative press won't matter after the 21st at the very least. After the e3 press conference, Microsoft will most likely garner most of the mainstream media. They are much better at marketing this to a wider audience. While it doesn't much matter to many of the members of this forum, come launch it will be a completely different story.
dontcha mean.
Louis Cyphre
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gutter_trash
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in one thread there is a rumor that it is 6 months behind schedule
then in another thread it says that it will be released in September alongside the next-gen version of GTA5
LOL, I can't wait for E3 so we can put rumors to rest, lol
then in another thread it says that it will be released in September alongside the next-gen version of GTA5
LOL, I can't wait for E3 so we can put rumors to rest, lol
The funny thing about the GTAV rumor is that it was just an article posted purely as speculation by a random site and was never claimed to be from any inside source, just an opinion the author had. People just ran with it and started saying it was a rumor.
Syphon Filter
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gta is always delayed, i don't see why people are assuming it is for MS. Rockstar doesn't care about MS or anyone, they will release gta when they want to.
pharmboy044
Member
What do you expect? Every single bit of news/rumors for the Durango have been negative and it's taken a toll on it's public perception. People are real antsy right now. I think once the reveal is done, people will start having a positive attitude.
Cthulhu_Steev
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Cornettos always win.
Baconsammy
Banned
And no one is going to give a shit about rumors that turned out to be untrue. It's all just noise right now. Fun noise. But noise nonetheless.
It's not even that, it's the 'well I don't believe the rumors/MS can totally change the whole system to be better than Sony' pissing competition that's going on that is headache causing.
fi3rypho3nix
Banned
I don't know what to say to a response like this. Microsoft has their own timetable,objectives, and goals. NO one on NeoGAF is and should be aware of this and even if they did it is a rumor till proven. In fact, negative press only appears to be on this forum.
Their only confirmation of the damn thing has been a countdown timer. All these amateur fanboy pieces are the issue. Don't read into them. Consider them what they are. Uninformed shit. Then wait a few more weeks and begin to form your own opinion.
I really thought this forum had matured since the last console launches. I see that is not true now.
fi3rypho3nix
Banned
Absolutely right. Suckers are all over the world.
No, it'll just be the new "rrod, paywall, adddddddddddddddddddddddddddddds!"
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
I'm really curious to see how many of these rumors pan out. IT would be pretty damn hard to imagine the next Xbox NOT being always on given how much postulating and prediction we've seen for it.
fi3rypho3nix
Banned
It is the only thing I feel confident will be part of the next system in the hundreds of rumors. Why? Because of the subsidized model.
Sad but true. I'll be thrilled if the negative rumors aren't true, but everyone knows very well that posters will still come into Xbox threads crying about ads, and XBLGold. You can even predict some of the posters, too.
Don't forget the "meh, 50% more GPU flops won't matter anyway because of similiar architecture".
Good or bad, the reveal will burn GAF to the ground.
Here's what bkilian, former Xbox 360/Durango audio engineer, said on the Beyond3d forums about always-online DRM:
bkilian said:
The current subscription based 360s require you to connect to the internet once a month to verify that your payment is up to date. And if you haven't paid, it doesn't allow you to use the console. But you don't see them forcing this on every 360.
Aquamarine
Member
If MS really does go with always-online, it's going to be part of their "vision" for a cloud-centric experience.
Agreed, and I think that will inevitably happen with consoles in the future. But right now it would mean cutting out like half of their market. I can't imagine they would see the benefits outweighing the costs.
Melchiah
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As was said before, most (all?) of those apps are behind a paywall on the 360. If the same applies for XB3, how are consumers going to react, if they can get pretty much the same for free on PS4 and Wii U?
I have no personal experience on using it, but I've heard that the PS3 Media Server would make the console even better streaming device than the 360. Dunno if that's true.
Yeah, Netflix isn't that popular in Europe due to its availability. It's kinda ironic that it's used more on the platform, that has sold less where Netflix is most popular.
I'm not so sure how it's Sony's fault, that Netflix arrived in Europe so late. After all, doesn't Microsoft have some kind of exclusivity deal with HBO Go for example? And I imagine the need to have dubs affected the matter as well, especially in countries like Italy.
Id like to see where it was said that Durango is harder to develop for. We've only heard from devs abt PS4.
Assuming is premature, lets be patient and wait for the NDA to be lifted.
Sony dnt do OS's give credit where its due.
Gameplay is more important than how "pretty" my game looks.
Alec
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Dat SimCity.
Hahaha yeah, when in reality the power difference matters BECAUSE they have similar architecture. Now don't get me wrong, I'm willing to bet Durago games will look fantastic but if the rumors turn out to be true there is no way you can ignore the power difference.
To be fair Vita OS is fucking fantastic.
Baconsammy
Banned
Of course you ignore it. The vast majority of the world always ignores it. Thus the Wii. The DS. The 3DS etc. Content sells consoles. Not power. If the PS4 and Xbox have the same exact content, then price, marketing and incentives will be the differentiation. Microsoft sounds like they learned a thing or two from Nintendo. Sony's not going nuts, though. They haven't packed so much stuff into it that they're forced to charge 599 again, so obviously they've learned a thing or two as well.
Haven't used one in quite awhile. It sure wasn't fantastic the first year. Have they finally put friends, trophies, messaging all together in one app? That'd be a huge improvement imo. I also thought Near was a waste, but could easily be fixed to be more useful.
Also sounds like a horrible way to splinter your install base that has either crappy internet or a high ping.
Indeed, which is why they are going with a proven base (BSD).
It's honestly the best gaming machine OS that I had a chance to use. I don't want trophies and messaging and friends in one app at all. Sure friends and messaging make sense, but not trophies.
Re the first point, I meant in terms of talking about how the games will look etc. Sure brute power alone doesn't win you anything and there are tons of other factors to take into consideration. I wasn't talking from the 'who will win next gen' perspective but rather 'will the power difference amount to anything in the games' persepctive.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Bacon your back! Excellent.
Yeah Vita OS is pretty amazing right now. They consolidated a ton of the Apps and its definitely my favorite OS. Just lightning fast. I can be playing Persona 4 and switch to the walkthrough guide almost instantly then back into the game. The Vita is what gives me a shred of hope the PS4 OS won't be a disaster.
Yup. That's the only way it really makes sense. If that's the case also changing it at this point doesn't seem possible.
It is premature. But the argument is that the ESRAM, which is there to partially offset the less speedy DDR3 RAM, will require extra work to properly utilize.
The logic behind including ESRAM is that it allows lower latency fetching of data by the APU. In other words, when the APU requests data, it can get it quicker from the ESRAM rather than from the main DDR3 pool. The ESRAM has a bandwidth of 102 GB/s, while the DDR3 has a bandwidth of 68 GB/s. The upside is that these can be fed into the APU in parallel, allowing for 170 GB/s as long as both are being used to their maximum potential. On the other hand, PS4 has 168 GB/s GDDR5, meaning devs don't have to wrestle with two RAM pools at once and are still able to achieve nearly the same bandwidth. So rather than sticking all your data into a single pool and just grabbing it all at 168 GB/s, Durango devs will have to constantly refill the small 32 MB ESRAM pool in order to achieve a comparable bandwidth to PS4.
It's possible that software can automate this procedure, I don't know. It's also possible that my understanding is way off.
PS4 GDDR5 is 178 GB/s.
Also the 170 GB/s figure is only relating to 32 MB that both the DDR3 and ESRAM can read together at one time (but we're also not taking into consideration the move modules so there can be a lot going on there).
That sounds very optimistic with regards to piracy prevention.
As far as I know, the only way to really curb piracy is to not distribute the game at all, or to leave major cloud-based components out. Like Onlive and Diablo III try to do (respectively).