Linkin Park "What I've Done" (new single omgz)

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Jake. said:
wait, people over 14yrs old listen to nu-metal/linkin park?
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Yes.

And you actually know this, you're just trying to sound uninformed and ignorant to make a lame insult.

Nice try though!

Please don't try and defend this band as anything but a guilty pleasure. While you chose four fairly different songs, they all expose considerable weaknesses of the band. Repetition, teenage angst lyrics, and most of all, predictability. The band has had no surprises.

You can take this as 'hate' but its really an urging of LP fans to seek out the truly wonderful music that is readily available out there.
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:lol

The truly wonderful music? Do you have any idea how annoying it is when people think they define what is good music? LP is "wonderful" music in my eyes. I recognize there are many much more TALENTED bands. I also don't care. I've been listening to them since before they were called Linkin Park and I think they make fantastic music.

So what IS truly wonderful music? I think Radiohead sucks. Very talented. Also very boring, but that's just me. I've been listening to Arcade Fire a lot lately, as well as Copeland. What is REAL music, sir?

I won't argue that HT > Meteora, but I think HT is one of the best mainstream rock albums so far since 2000. Top 5, easily. It sounded fresh when it came out and I think it still does today. In MY opinion, they stood out amongst all the other numetal/rapmetal around them.

I can't stand that pretentious and snobbish attitude of people who pick apart music like yourself.
 
The amount of music elitism on GAF kinda makes me sick. The more popular a band, the more trolls come out the woodwork. The only people around here that don't have to deal with this junk polluting their threads are those that listen to obscure bands.

Sorry to you, omgrite. I wish you could come on here and talk about bands you like, like Linkin Park, but you just can't without expecting "OMGAHZ SO EMO" or "NU METALz... 'nuff said." (to this latter point, I heard no rapping in this song, so... what?)

Anyway, I like the new song. It has a different tone than their other songs (contrary to what the trolls believe), and the new video just confirms the band's new direction. In fact, the video gives a much better context for the song, and I implore people to check it out. The song is more about politics than it is teen angst. In a month, when Minutes to Midnight is out, I think you (omgrite) will be able to defend LP better. For now, the new single, being a bridge between their old and new style, isn't going to be much help.
 
Vyse The Legend said:
The amount of music elitism on GAF kinda makes me sick. The more popular a band, the more trolls come out the woodwork. The only people around here that don't have to deal with this junk polluting their threads are those that listen to obscure bands.

Sorry to you, omgrite. I wish you could come on here and talk about bands you like, like Linkin Park, but you just can't without expecting "OMGAHZ SO EMO" or "NU METALz... 'nuff said." (to this latter point, I heard no rapping in this song, so... what?)

Anyway, I like the new song. It has a different tone than their other songs (contrary to what the trolls believe), and the new video just confirms the band's new direction. In fact, the video gives a much better context for the song, and I implore people to check it out. The song is more about politics than it is teen angst. In a month, when Minutes to Midnight is out, I think you (omgrite) will be able to defend LP better. For now, the new single, being a bridge between their old and new style, isn't going to be much help.
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Honestly, I don't mind music arguments. It's the internet, it will never change in that way.

If someone wants to say something sucks, that's fine. I could care less if someone likes Linkin Park or not. What really GRINDS MY GEARS! is people who pretend their OPINION is fact on the matter. And for some reason, more than movies, video games, comics, or television, this really gets hit home with music. More than any other subject, music brings out the most elite of the elitists. I'm not sure why.

****, I just LIKE the song. Not near their best. I think, if it really is the bridge between an old sound and a new soung, it's a good bridge.

By the way, where is the video at? I saw the screen caps, and it definitely was not like any other LP video. Seemed to have a political vibe, with random clips of past events thrown in, right down to the Twin Towers falling. I haven't seen the actual video yet though.
 
omg rite said:
Honestly, I don't mind music arguments. It's the internet, it will never change in that way.

If someone wants to say something sucks, that's fine. I could care less if someone likes Linkin Park or not. What really GRINDS MY GEARS! is people who pretend their OPINION is fact on the matter. And for some reason, more than movies, video games, comics, or television, this really gets hit home with music. More than any other subject, music brings out the most elite of the elitists. I'm not sure why.

****, I just LIKE the song. Not near their best. I think, if it really is the bridge between an old sound and a new soung, it's a good bridge.

By the way, where is the video at? I saw the screen caps, and it definitely was not like any other LP video. Seemed to have a political vibe, with random clips of past events thrown in, right down to the Twin Towers falling. I haven't seen the actual video yet though.
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The Internet is Serious Business.gif :lol

Anyway, you can get a HD version here: http://rs52.rapidshare.com/files/23924683/WID.avi

If it's illegal to share the video, let me know and I will remove the link.
 
Zapages said:
Damn that was a good video... Reminds me of what has happened to all of us in the past 7 years and the whole geo-political movements to now...
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It just reminded me that how desensitized we all are to the WTC footage. Heh.

I just remember not being able to take my eyes off the TV that first week or two, in shock and awe (no pun intended) of what Iw as seeing. Then it became, "Oh, they're showing them fall again."
 
i used to like Hybrid Theory an awful lot but since then it's become very generic and boring to me. Their ideas are not fresh and new like it was back then.

The only band I buy albums for every release is Incubus
 
I don't know why everyone turns any LP conversation into some commentary about teenage society, or how they're the musical scum of the earth. Maybe they should have changed their name to The Linkin Parks and had their album name and songs be these long tongue and cheek titles like "Minutes to Midnight My Dear Abby, Just Hold On for a Little Longer." :lol Anyways, nothing wrong with LP. They're not the greatest thing ever, but they're okay.
 
F all the haters. Linkin Park is a really good band. They are one of my favorite bands. Minutes to Midnight will be the first album I buy in 2007.
 
omg rite said:
Yes.

And you actually know this, you're just trying to sound uninformed and ignorant to make a lame insult.

Nice try though!



:lol

The truly wonderful music? Do you have any idea how annoying it is when people think they define what is good music? LP is "wonderful" music in my eyes. I recognize there are many much more TALENTED bands. I also don't care. I've been listening to them since before they were called Linkin Park and I think they make fantastic music.

So what IS truly wonderful music? I think Radiohead sucks. Very talented. Also very boring, but that's just me. I've been listening to Arcade Fire a lot lately, as well as Copeland. What is REAL music, sir?

I won't argue that HT > Meteora, but I think HT is one of the best mainstream rock albums so far since 2000. Top 5, easily. It sounded fresh when it came out and I think it still does today. In MY opinion, they stood out amongst all the other numetal/rapmetal around them.

I can't stand that pretentious and snobbish attitude of people who pick apart music like yourself.
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Music quality is not quite as subjective as you may think. Preference is, but quality, nay. Take some musical theory classes or understand ART in general. There are fundamental principles that guide quality music and like any artform, tons of little things can f*ck all of it. If you think Radiohead is boring you're clearly uninformed. You can dislike them as a matter of taste, but to call them boring is flat-out stupid.

Trust me when I say the pretentious music elistists are only like this because we too, at one point, were uninformed and are frustrated that many fantastic artists are held back by an industry that favors conservative repetition of genre/song structure/thematic content. Well, hope you have a musical epiphany.
 
Kevtones said:
Music quality is not quite as subjective as you may think. Preference is, but quality, nay. Take some musical theory classes or understand ART in general. There are fundamental principles that guide quality music and like any artform, tons of little things can f*ck all of it. If you think Radiohead is boring you're clearly uninformed. You can dislike them as a matter of taste, but to call them boring is flat-out stupid.

Trust me when I say the pretentious music elistists are only like this because we too, at one point, were uninformed and are frustrated that many fantastic artists are held back by an industry that favors conservative repetition of genre/song structure/thematic content. Well, hope you have a musical epiphany.
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Have you ever stopped to hear yourself? Gosh darn it, you even used 'nay'. :lol
 
Kevtones said:
Music quality is not quite as subjective as you may think. Preference is, but quality, nay. Take some musical theory classes or understand ART in general. There are fundamental principles that guide quality music and like any artform, tons of little things can f*ck all of it. If you think Radiohead is boring you're clearly uninformed. You can dislike them as a matter of taste, but to call them boring is flat-out stupid.

Trust me when I say the pretentious music elistists are only like this because we too, at one point, were uninformed and are frustrated that many fantastic artists are held back by an industry that favors conservative repetition of genre/song structure/thematic content. Well, hope you have a musical epiphany.
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Out of interest what's your opinion on rap?

I find many music elitists to be extremely hypocritcal and out of touch. There are so many bands that are hailed as "good" by them that don't sound much different than stuff on the radio. The difference of course is in what's popular and what's not, which seems to determine what they like. Once everyone starts liking that particular music it seems like it becomes less cool and they seem less special...so on to the next artist who sounds like everyone else!

And this is coming from someone who gives LP a meh/10
 
List of bands that are factually better than Linkin Park:

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Seriously, there comes a point where you're going to get tired of calling people "snobs" and realize that you're listening to radio rock designed for 15 year olds who don't know any better.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Out of interest what's your opinion on rap?

I find many music elitists to be extremely hypocritcal and out of touch. There are so many bands that are hailed as "good" by them that don't sound much different than stuff on the radio. The difference of course is in what's popular and what's not, which seems to determine what they like. Once everyone starts liking that particular music it seems like it becomes less cool and they seem less special...so on to the next artist who sounds like everyone else!

And this is coming from someone who gives LP a meh/10
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I'm a big fan of rap/hip-hop. Depends on who: Company Flow, Tribe, El-P, Madvillain, The Pharcyde, etc.


I'll agree that many 'indie gods' sound similar to radio stuff, but it comes down to texture and really digesting albums as a whole. Honestly, its hard not to sound pompous when discussing music because its about having a developed ear akin to something like art critics using their eyes. Certain things fall into place with music and its very difficult to discuss because there are so many different kinds of music.

Music is just like writing/film/art in what makes it compelling and great. Complexity, emotional depth, and the ability of the art to create its own meaning in each individual. I look at a band like The Dismemberment Plan, who is basically one of the spazzyrock-forefathers of EMO MUSIC. Regardless, they made one of the greatest rock records of the last 20 years IMO in Emergency & I. A song like 'The City' would sound perfectly at home on TRL because it shares many qualities that seem to cater to that crowd (catchy, bubbly). At the same time, its got GREAT lyrics, fantastic jazz-inspired drumming and creates a beautiful synth texture that underscores the whole thing.

Its not that I, or other 'music elitists' don't give a band like Linkin Park a chance, its that it literally sounds uninteresting, repetitive and dated to us. But hell, if LP came out with an incredible record tomorrow, I'd be the first to be singing its praises.
 
Funny, I hate GAF's music elitism, but I don't think this has anything to do with Linkin Park. The popular argument is silly, as I haven't heard anyone say anything about them since 2002. I just have a problem with the fact that their songs are all the same. And the terrible, terrible song writing.
 
Kevtones said:
Music quality is not quite as subjective as you may think. Preference is, but quality, nay. Take some musical theory classes or understand ART in general. There are fundamental principles that guide quality music and like any artform, tons of little things can f*ck all of it. If you think Radiohead is boring you're clearly uninformed. You can dislike them as a matter of taste, but to call them boring is flat-out stupid.

Trust me when I say the pretentious music elistists are only like this because we too, at one point, were uninformed and are frustrated that many fantastic artists are held back by an industry that favors conservative repetition of genre/song structure/thematic content. Well, hope you have a musical epiphany.
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I stopped reading at the word "nay".

Then I went back when someone else pointed out that you used that "if i I say this, I'll sound more intelligent" word.

I don't a shit about MUSICAL THEORY CLASSES. It's still an opinion and NOTHING more. I'm not uninformed if I think Radiohead is boring. You sound like a complete snob. Because of my taste, I find their music BORING. (Everything after a certain album that you can probably guess, that is.)

You'll note I said they are talented. But their music is boring to ME.

...

I can't believe you just said "we too, at one point, were uninformed".

You really a pretentious ass. :lol
 
I still haven't heard the track because Warner has had You Tube take it down. LP lost me when they released that 36 minute mockery known as Meteora. They appeared to have something going on for them and then they actively copied the hit tracks from their previous album. With that said, I'll be over in the corner listening to my Opeth.
 
Kevtones said:
Music quality is not quite as subjective as you may think. Preference is, but quality, nay. Take some musical theory classes or understand ART in general. There are fundamental principles that guide quality music and like any artform, tons of little things can f*ck all of it. If you think Radiohead is boring you're clearly uninformed. You can dislike them as a matter of taste, but to call them boring is flat-out stupid.

Trust me when I say the pretentious music elistists are only like this because we too, at one point, were uninformed and are frustrated that many fantastic artists are held back by an industry that favors conservative repetition of genre/song structure/thematic content. Well, hope you have a musical epiphany.
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Wow. Just wow. :lol

Pretentious, indeed.
 
f3niks said:
I still haven't heard the track because Warner has had You Tube take it down. LP lost me when they released that 36 minute mockery known as Meteora. They appeared to have something going on for them and then they actively copied the hit tracks from their previous album. With that said, I'll be over in the corner listening to my Opeth.
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There's a radpidshare link in this thread to the music video.
 
Why can't people just leave it alone? If people like Linkin Park it's fine.

I personally like a bunch of music that other people say is pretty crappy. I like Evanescence. :)
 
Kevtones said:
Music is just like writing/film/art in what makes it compelling and great. Complexity, emotional depth, and the ability of the art to create its own meaning in each individual... etc.
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Well said. Agreed.

It's not that I, or other 'music elitists' don't give a band like Linkin Park a chance, its that it literally sounds uninteresting, repetitive and dated to us. But hell, if LP came out with an incredible record tomorrow, I'd be the first to be singing its praises.
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Disagree somewhat. I'm a music snob and listen to a lot of avant-garde stuff. And I think Linkin Park is fine. They're not ground-breaking in any way, but their craftmanship is of a pretty high level. They can (or could) write a good melody or a catchy hook.

The issue with pop music is that it is a cultural product as well a musical product. The cultural product includes the clothes, the lyrics, the scene, the story that surrounds the band/artist. This has nothing to do with music itself. Linkin Park is a weak cultural product, because they're not edgy enough and don't have the marks of what people think is cool these days (unlike, let's say, Radiohead). But purely musically speaking, I think you can do worse than Linkin Park.
 
perryfarrell said:
Well said. Agreed.



Disagree somewhat. I'm a music snob and listen to a lot of avant-garde stuff. And I think Linkin Park is fine. They're not ground-breaking in any way, but their craftmanship is of a pretty high level. They can (or could) write a good melody or a catchy hook.

The issue with pop music is that it is a cultural product as well a musical product. The cultural product includes the clothes, the lyrics, the scene, the story that surrounds the band/artist. This has nothing to do with music itself. Linkin Park is a weak cultural product, because they're not edgy enough and don't have the marks of what people think is cool these days (unlike, let's say, Radiohead). But purely musically speaking, I think you can do worse than Linkin Park.
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I agree that Linkin Park is nowhere near the bottom of the barrel. They're actually enjoyable in comparison to their peers (I think I put a #/10 to it above in one my asshole posts), but they've truly diminished. I said above that Hybrid Theory has some enjoyable stuff and I certainly agree they can write a hook (of which they reuse quite often unfortunately), but my main issue is the all too often their music sounds like it structures itself purely around the hook, and sounds like the verses are just servicing to establish the hook and then finish with a typical nu-metal sceam climax. Yes, this is part of pop music, but to create strong pop, you need consistent quality throughout and that a lot of times comes down to lyrical content (especially when using the type of structures LP uses). As a former diehad fan of Korn's self-titled album, I understand the appeal in this, but I guess I have some apprehension towards LP because they showed legitimacy in their first record. It wasn't a GOOD record by my tastes, but if anything, it was a lot more interesting and led me to be curious for their future output...

... but then Meteora dropped and I didn't see much growth, whatsoever, and I think for the most part, the band regressed. It worries me that their next album is supposedly more dynamic in the sense of their direction. I find the slower, more down-tempo efforts downright awful, but I 100% think they can excell has a overly aggressive hiphop/rock crossover. Give me tracks that have the promise of 'With You', 'By Myself', 'Faint', and 'Cure For the Itch', even 'Breaking the Habit'. And yeah, let someone else write the lyrics.

/asshole elite snob
 
Darko said:
WHAaaat IVE DONNNEEEE

SOMEWHERE I BELONGGGGGGGGGGGG

... yawn... same old...
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i thought the same thing the first time i heard the song... its very bland. It did not stand out to me.
 
Hybrid Theory was the new Dookie.... first album since that crossed so many music fan boundaries... didnt matter if you liked hip hop, rap, rock, hardcoare, whatever.... Hybrid Theory was everywhere.

Linkink Park is some good stuff man, though they have more of a solid "image" now - before they were just sweet, now its like "oh, you're a linkin park FAN, i seeeeeee" once they get "defined" its kind of hard to break that image, but hey that doesnt change the fact HT was an awesome album when it came out
 
Darko said:
WHAaaat IVE DONNNEEEE

SOMEWHERE I BELONGGGGGGGGGGGG

... yawn... same old...
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I used to make that same kind of joke about Andrew W.K. to one of my teammates in college..

LET'S GET A PARTY STARTED, SHE IS BEAUTIFUL!!

Anyways, just saw the video and liked it. Music's one of those things I don't even try to overanalyze so if I like it, I like it. I like this, and I'll be checking the album out.
 
I have been listening to Hybrid Theory and Meteora for a few weeks now, it is still pretty good to listen to. There isn’t much music now that I know that still uses the signature grunge/nu-metal scream and I actually miss that. Consider my musical tastes to be outdated in that sense, but I just can’t stand "rock" music now with the overly pretentious “punk” bands that look like Backstreet Boys thinking they’re all "raw" and "hard rock".

Anyways, this new single sounds tamed. No screams, no edgy guitar riffs…are they going soft on me? :-/ I’m still anticipating their new album though. 4 years is a long time.
 
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