BurnOutBrighter
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Oh man. People are so cynical that they think it'll still have online requirements 
Mark Cerny: "PlayStation 4 won't require to be always connected"
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SlowRevolution
Member
"PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all."
Why are people trying to act like statements like this are misleading, confusing PR speak? Sony couldn't possibly be any more clear about this.
Half the time it seriously seems like people want Sony to drop the ball at E3 as much as Microsoft did with their announcement. This shouldn't be a console war thing, this should be about consumers not wanting to get fucked over.
Why are people trying to act like statements like this are misleading, confusing PR speak? Sony couldn't possibly be any more clear about this.
Half the time it seriously seems like people want Sony to drop the ball at E3 as much as Microsoft did with their announcement. This shouldn't be a console war thing, this should be about consumers not wanting to get fucked over.
Kinda suprising that you see those familar faces each time
Orca for example, Marleyman is still missing though.
H_Prestige
Banned
They already said internet is not required at all. Quit playing dumb.
"Xbone can be played without an internet connection at all"
Try and tell me that's a true statement.
Once every 24 hours is pretty much all the time unless you're constantly unplugging and plugging your network.
You guys are missing the forest for the trees. Yeah Sony doesn't require for a persistent online connection but remember they are leaving it up to Publishers on a game by game basis. So essentially if a publisher wants verification every 24hours then that's what we'll have to deal with.
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
Thanks for posting that quote. I agree it needs to be posted in every thread. People just refuse to accept it.
This basically means that if the PS4 does have DRM it will need to be of the sort that does not require an internet connection. The only thing I think that could fit the bill are the RFID chips or whatever that Sony patented a while back.
If this is the case, depending on how this works, I might be OK with that.
Imagine this scenario. Each disc has a chip embedded on top. On the chip is a re-writtable portion (like a mini-flash drive).
When you insert/install the game it registers the PS4 on the chip.
If you want the game to work on another PS4 you need to uninstall the game on the original PS4. In doing so it unregisters the PS4 from the chip.
This would allow you to do a full install and play without the disc but you can still sell your games or loan them to friends. You just need to uninstall them first.
It is a little bit of a hassle but much better than the stuff I'm seeing proposed. Of course I'd much prefer the status quo but that might not be happening.
Of course there are negatives to this as well. For example, what if the PS4 breaks and you can't uninstall? That's the thing about DRM it just isn't good no matter how you do it. It always has draw backs IMO.
This basically means that if the PS4 does have DRM it will need to be of the sort that does not require an internet connection. The only thing I think that could fit the bill are the RFID chips or whatever that Sony patented a while back.
If this is the case, depending on how this works, I might be OK with that.
Imagine this scenario. Each disc has a chip embedded on top. On the chip is a re-writtable portion (like a mini-flash drive).
When you insert/install the game it registers the PS4 on the chip.
If you want the game to work on another PS4 you need to uninstall the game on the original PS4. In doing so it unregisters the PS4 from the chip.
This would allow you to do a full install and play without the disc but you can still sell your games or loan them to friends. You just need to uninstall them first.
It is a little bit of a hassle but much better than the stuff I'm seeing proposed. Of course I'd much prefer the status quo but that might not be happening.
Of course there are negatives to this as well. For example, what if the PS4 breaks and you can't uninstall? That's the thing about DRM it just isn't good no matter how you do it. It always has draw backs IMO.
GoofsterStud
Member
Because it doesn't help the Xbox.
Risk Breaker
Member
Taking this as fact (I don't think Sony can afford to backtrack on something as important as this so long after the announcement), I don't see how devs could impose used games DRM if you can keep your console offline whenever you want.
Uno Venova
Banned
Damn, people are trying pretty hard.
The wording here is much clearer.
dollartaco
Member
WHY WON'T CERNY DENY THAT HE'S A LIZARDPERSON?
And ?
You still got the chance to skip the game then without having a useless console once the internet connection is broken or anything similar.
Completly different story having a game that requires a internet connection and on the other hand a console.
IHaveCandy
Banned
Sony has a patent on disc-based DRM.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
It begins. This place is going to be so full of shit we will all need shovels.
The statement I talked about was in between of that guy's Twitter rampage and when they revealed the actual console.
It really speaks more to just how badly Microsoft did their press conference, and how utterly indefensible the 24 hour check up on you is as if you were some sort of prisoner and the warden had to check your cell in case you stole extra toothpaste, that the hope is now that PS4 has it, there is no defending this, so lets just hope this other thing has it too, so it cancels each other out.
H_Prestige
Banned
By requiring you to log in to play the game. Like an MMO. Of course they'd still need to come up with anti-used DRM schemes on their own. Simply requiring log in doesn't stop used games.
test_account
XP-39C²
The answer Cerny gives there can kinda be interpreted that some internet connection is required, i agree to that, especially after seeing what Microsoft have said regarding Xbox One. But other guys within Sony have said that PS4 doesnt need internet at all to function, so at least we know that 
BobTheFork
Member
Yeah I know about MS but doesn't require an internet connection isn't what I'm getting from that statement.
My point was that 'not always online' is PR spin.
xbone is the most ethnocentric console of all time
That doesn't make sense unless they also destroy your disc after registering. If that was true, you could register your game online and then give the disc to your friend. That would mean that two people can play the game for every copy sold. It would have to just be either register online or require the disc.
IonicSnake
Banned
Which have nothing to do with the PS4 according to Sony.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...gamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games
Yeah but Michael Denny didn't say "It doesn't have to be always online", he clearly says the PS4 doesn't require a internet connection at all and can be played old school. Unless he's lying I don't see how much clearer it can get.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
No game is going to just go out on its on and do a 24 hour ping. Could they do a forced online authentication for some reason on startup. I guess. Bit it's no different then the ps3
People are either too paranoid or wanting it to be like ms. I guess they could be saying this for months and hit us with a secret GOTCHA at launch. But for now I think they've been very consistent and from a number of people over several months.
Whatever, that shit is PRE-XBONE reveal, Cerny & co have been very clear many times now AFTER PS4's revealing that PS4 offers full offline functionality even if you never ever connect your PS4 online. Just because one statement sounds vaguely the same as some pre-Xbone reveal leak means jack shit when they have been perfectly clear numerous times about it already other times.
Krisprolls
Banned
Yes, people are trying way too hard.
I think this needs to be on each page at least four times. I honestly don't know how anyone can think otherwise.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
I don't get it. Are people acting this daft on purpose or something? I really don't see how you interpret what Cerny said any other way then "no internet required to play PS4 ever!".
Wishmaster92
Member
It's old news whatever.... GAF LOVES YOU CERNY!!
Sweet Aunt Nancys Panties
Banned
In my opinion, if you're forcing me to connect once a day to a server, you may as well be forcing me to always be online. If you tell your kid that they have to check in with you once a day in-person but also tell them they're free to do whatever they want and go wherever they want, they're really not free to. If a restriction like that is going to be placed on me, there better be a damn good reason given for it. So far there's been no reason given.
Same reason they won't address DRM. They don't know, or they know the answer is one we won't like.
Kun Aguero
Member
I'll just add a quote from Michael Denny from that article, so some people might actually get it.
"Playstation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all"
But it's getting quite annoying :/
On both sides there are plenty of people who show up EVERY thread and spin the biggest story without a doubt.
Too bad Bish didn't publish that list D:
Portugeezer
Member
Same thing, just because Microsoft spins its words doesn't mean Sony are. Just saying, but it's best to wait at this point. (no, I don't think Sony will tell us before Microsofts E3 conference, that would be stupid)
Sloane_Ranger
Member
Amen gaming brother! Tell it like it is!
If you take what Cerny said, Andrew House said, and Yoshida said they have confirmed that you will need no internet connectiin "AT ALL" to play single player games. There is not much more room to even be more specific, and this idea that everything that Microsoft is doing wrong with the Xbone, Sony must also be doing is getting insane at this point.
Because it's still not fully clear. Same could be said about the Xbox One (as I've said previously).
"Enjoyed old school" meaning what? Old school gaming? Or does that simply mean "No internet for some of the PS4's functions"?
It's just fits PR vagueness to me. Looking forward to more detailed info either way though.
Well I think it's simple: because it doesn't work like PS3. Basically people there is one thing of two that has to be true: a) EA dropped online passes just because they like to offer more value to their customers and want to spread general goodwill b) Sony will implement some kind of always-online type of deal be it publisher specific or not.
Which seems more likely?
Keep on truckin'.
b-b-but it secured exclusive content WITHIN Fifa Ultimate Team mode!
Evolution_1ne
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Windom Earle
Member
You wish?