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[MoonFrog]

To me, it's weird that people judge Tenabe's ability to create a Metroid game by Federation Force. The game was an obvious spin off, not meant to be exactly like a traditional Metroid game. It was about the Federation and had co-op, a soccer game, etc...For what it was, I heard it was a good game. Spin-off quality.

Mostly I think, it is an aesthetic worry. At least that is at the core of my doubts.

Tanabe wants to a) focus on the Galactic federation soldiers and b) focus on Samus as one of a series of bounty hunters with super abilities.

Hunters, Prime 3, and Federation Force all are part of this fiction. So is the Metroid Prime 4 he teased.

The thing is, what a lot of core Metroid fans want is a moodier, darker science fiction take on Metroid, more in line with the way they see the series and more in line with, say, Alien. Tanabe wants a sort of super hero cartoon take on Metroid, which cheeses a lot of us off. The voice of Prime 3 was god-awful.

There is also the underlying "Tanabe wants to make Metroid more of a shooter" fear. Both Hunters and Federation Force feed into this a lot. As does putting Prime 3 out as a FPS instead of an FPA and the inclusion of objective driven shooter segments in that game. The thing is, Prime 3 is still pretty damn Metroid in its moment-to-moment gameplay and as far as structural "issues" it has the same status as Fusion.

Prime 2 also has similar stuctural "issues." And personally, they are issues. I like Fusion and Prime 3 less because of the limited interconnection and the "story-based" gating of the map.

The original Prime and SM have a much better environmental puzzle and gadget flow, imo.

The thing is though...how much of the devolution in this regard is Tanabe and how much is it Retro?

Prime 2 spoke to me as if Retro kind of wanted to make a Zelda game with its temple structure. Prime 3 spoke to me as if Retro kind of wanted to make Halo with its stronger shooter focus, achievements, and generic space marines.

Yup, spot on. But it's hard to see that for most through all the red from those blood-shot rage eyes.

I've always been open to FF being a fine game. I really don't see how that means it is a good direction for Metroid, though.

Really, the counter-rage can get quite obnoxious too.

The backlash against FF is largely understandable. Did the game under the Metroid license deserve it all? Probably not. Never played it because I was not in the market for squad shooters on my 3DS or elsewhere. Was it a troubling use of the Metroid license that showed that Nintendo perhaps does not grasp what people want from Metroid? Yes. And it is perfectly reasonable to not support that direction. It isn't a case that every one who didn't want or try FF and did want something else is a raging, madcap imbecile with blood shot eyes.

 

[TheMoon]

I've always been open to FF being a fine game. I really don't see how that means it is a good direction for Metroid, though.

But who said anything about a direction? It's an excursion. Not a direction. A direction is something you keep following. This was always a little inbetween thing to play around in that universe from a different perspective.

It isn't a case that every one who didn't want or try FF and did want something else is a raging, madcap imbecile with blood shot eyes.

Obviously it's #notallmetroidfans but when most of the "discussion" on gaf consisted of either people laughing it off instantly or diehards losing their minds over this capital offense, it most definitely felt that way.

 

[MoonFrog]

But who said anything about a direction? It's an excursion. Not a direction. A direction is something you keep following. This was always a little inbetween thing to play around in that universe from a different perspective.

Was it? I think you should be able to excuse people if they didn't think so.

Reggie gave it to us as the thing we didn't know we wanted but totally did.

Tanabe presented himself as unable to find a team for Prime 4. Do you think that the demand for a "true" Metroid and the bad fan reception did nothing to help compel Nintendo to give him that team? Do you think it has nothing to do with why things like "isolation" are buzz words in the fact sheet released?

I find that hard to believe.

Do you think Other M had nothing to do with going back to Metroid's roots and trying to discover the series again by remaking Metroid II?

I also find that hard to believe.

These games, the reception to them, and the demand for a certain sort of Metroid are what Nintendo is trying to appease. Sure, there probably is also a lot of internal direction towards where they're going, but that doesn't exist in a vacuum.

Just like BotW going open world did not exist in a vacuum.

Obviously it's #notallmetroidfans but when most of the "discussion" on gaf consisted of either people laughing it off instantly or diehards losing their minds over this capital offense, it most definitely felt that way.

As I've said before, part of the reason I gravitated to GAF after my "awakening" due to FF was because the level of unreason I was combating in my own camp (the disappointed) led me to wanting a more calm place to talk video games. I'm fully aware there was a lot of obnoxious stuff. I just think there is also a lot of obnoxious counter-revolution stuff too. Like if you have certain views about Metroid, you must be crazy and unreasonable.

 

[TheMoon]

Was it? I think you should be able to excuse people if they didn't think so.

Reggie gave it to us as the thing we didn't know we wanted but totally did.

Tanabe presented himself as unable to find a team for Prime 4. Do you think that the demand for a "true" Metroid and the bad fan reception did nothing to help compel Nintendo to give him that team? Do you think it has nothing to do with why things like "isolation" are buzz words in the fact sheet released?

I find that hard to believe.

Do you think Other M had nothing to do with going back to Metroid's roots and trying to discover the series again by remaking Metroid II?

I also find that hard to believe.

These games, the reception to them, and the demand for a certain sort of Metroid are what Nintendo is trying to appease. Sure, there probably is also a lot of internal direction towards where they're going, but that doesn't exist in a vacuum.

Just like BotW going open world did not exist in a vacuum.

I honestly don't get what any of this has to do with my point about FF not being a new "direction" for Metroid.

But I'm also not too interested in dragging this out for too long so we could just as well go back to being excited(?) about MSR.

 

[MoonFrog]

I honestly don't get what any of this has to do with my point about FF not being a new "direction" for Metroid.

But I'm also not too interested in dragging this out for too long so we could just as well go back to being excited(?) about MSR.

It's not hard to get. It points to it not being obviously the case that the Metroid people wanted was coming.

 

[TheMoon]

It's not hard to get. It points to it not being obviously the case that the Metroid people wanted was coming.

Which is not what I was talking about at all, though? Hence my confusion.

 

[MoonFrog]

Which is not what I was talking about at all, though? Hence my confusion.

Ummm the direction of the series is the games that are coming.

 

[VDenter]

Neither of them is "true garbage" ...

"not what I want" != "bad game"

Garbage is exactly the word i would use to describe Federation Force.
It has nothing to do with the fact that it is not what the fans wanted. A bad game is still a bad game regardless of the circumstances under which it was released.

 

[diaspora]

Tenabe was just catching the Sakamoto runoff. People spent so many years making up false rumors about how Sakamoto hates women and harasses Retro employees as some sort of mean spirited revenge fanfiction over Other M that it only seemed natural to teach Tenabe a lesson too for Federation Force. But he never caught it as bad since most of the pondscum in the fanbase altered their agendas at that point.

Or maybe Federation Force was just shitty as illustrated by the game when it came out.

 

[TheMoon]

Garbage is exactly the word i would use to describe Federation Force.
It has nothing to do with the fact that it is not what the fans wanted. A bad game is still a bad game regardless of the circumstances under which it was released.

Problem is that it's not a bad game. It's a really good game, in fact.

Ummm the direction of the series is the games that are coming.

I'm completely lost now, let's just move on.

 

[diaspora]

Problem is that it's not a bad game. It's a really good game, in fact.



I'm completely lost now, let's just move on.

It's not just a bad Metroid game- though given it's not really trying to be, but it's a terrible coop shooter. Mediocre is probably the most generous way to describe it.

 

[Claude Augario]

Or maybe Federation Force was just shitty as illustrated by the game when it came out.

Whatever people need to tell themselves to make up rumors about developers harassing people, I guess.

 

[Cerium]

Wait, Sakamoto harassed Retro employees?

 

[WonderzL]

Whatever people need to tell themselves to make up rumors about developers harassing people, I guess.

That's quite a logical leap to defend a videogame, tbh

Wait, Sakamoto harassed Retro employees?

I googled it and the first result is a 2015 post from him saying the same thing, lol. Who is spreading rumours again?

 

[Nessus]

Federation Force really should have supported Download Play.

It's not the kind of game where I could ever convince 3 of my friends to all buy copies, but it is however the kind of game where I could see myself getting a single copy and then inviting some friends over to play through the co-op campaign.

Nintendo moving away from Download Play for 3DS and Switch is one of the most disappointing moves they've made with regards to their portables. 10 player Tetris DS and 8 player Bomberman DS are still a thing at every one of my video game parties.

 

[TheListOfToddicho]

I'm seriously going to start counting down the days until this is out, I can't believe it's less than two months away!

 

[MoonFrog]

I'm completely lost now, let's just move on.

How else do you judge direction but in reference to where something has been and where it is going?

We had no reason to believe something like this past E3 would be happening when Federation Force was announced. Recent history instead suggested that Metroid didn't sell well enough for Nintendo to invest in it, that its producers were trying to do new things with it that a lot of core fans didn't want, and the PR surrounding Metroid reinforced that.

Moreover, the reaction to Federation Force is not cleanly separable from what has happened. So you can't go, with hindsight, and say that people were being irrational, impatient babies with regards to Federation Force.

If you are instead talking about the direction of the directors/producers: the same thing applies. Look at the games. Where have they been and where are they going/where can we believe them to be going?

As to stopping this: yes, I will stop as soon as you stop acting like people who were fretful about the direction of the series were mad in the head and the spleen both. Sure, there are some crazy fans but there was also every reason to doubt the future of Metroid.

This is what I objected to in your first post. As long as you keep painting the incredibly obvious points I am making to you as crazy, unintelligible, or off-topic (to your point), I will keep responding.

 

[Claude Augario]

That's quite a logical leap to defend a videogame, tbh

Is not making up bullshit about developers considered "defending" now? Is that how awful this fanbase has gotten - not being an asshole is considered an endorsement?

I googled it and the first result is a 2015 post from him saying the same thing, lol. Who is spreading rumours again?

It was a thread from awhile back, probably before I had an account. Someone basically made up a rumor on the spot that Sakamoto was harping on employees and shutting down Retro Metroid projects out of some intense and malicious jealousy and the thread developed into people quoting that lie with loads of "SAKAMOTO IS A PIECE OF SHIT." It may have been two pages later when someone finally asked if that was even remotely true and the roaches scattered.

 

[Inspectah_Deck]

Tanabe wants to a) focus on the Galactic federation soldiers and b) focus on Samus as one of a series of bounty hunters with super abilities.

Hunters, Prime 3, and Federation Force all are part of this fiction. So is the Metroid Prime 4 he teased.

I don't think so, the FF backlash certainly left an impact on Tanabe.

The reveal used Prime 1s intro music.
The factsheet mentions that Prime 4 will "return to the First Person​ Adventure roots of the original Metroid Prime" and drops the word "isolation".

I think Tanabe knows at this point very well what the Fanbase wants from a MP.

 

[MoonFrog]

I don't think so, the FF backlash certainly left an impact on Tanabe.

The reveal used Prime 1s intro music.
The factsheet mentions that Prime 4 will "return to the First Person​ Adventure roots of the original Metroid Prime" and drops the word "isolation".

I think Tanabe knows at this point very well what the Fanbase wants from a MP.

The one he teased the E3 of FF.

 

[Inspectah_Deck]

The one he teased the E3 of FF.

A lot can happen in a year and development of MP4 only started recently.

 

[WonderzL]

Is not making up bullshit about developers considered "defending" now? Is that how awful this fanbase has gotten - not being an asshole is considered an endorsement?



It was a thread from awhile back, probably before I had an account. Someone basically made up a rumor on the spot that Sakamoto was harping on employees and shutting down Retro Metroid projects out of some intense and malicious jealousy and the thread developed into people quoting that lie with loads of "SAKAMOTO IS A PIECE OF SHIT." It may have been two pages later when someone finally asked if that was even remotely true and the roaches scattered.

people were talking about how bad they think FF is, nothing to do with this. you brought this up

 

[MoonFrog]

A lot can happen in a year and development of MP4 only started recently.

Read my thoughts on the MP4 announced above (this page). I also latched on to using the word isolation. I share your opinion.

 

[Barrow Roll]

You guys are making me really want to actually try Federation Force. I was going to wait until it hits $10, but...

*adds to Amazon wishlist*

 

[Cerium]

It was a thread from awhile back, probably before I had an account. Someone basically made up a rumor on the spot that Sakamoto was harping on employees and shutting down Retro Metroid projects out of some intense and malicious jealousy and the thread developed into people quoting that lie with loads of "SAKAMOTO IS A PIECE OF SHIT." It may have been two pages later when someone finally asked if that was even remotely true and the roaches scattered.

So what you're saying is you made this all up.

 

[WonderzL]

You guys are making me really want to actually try Federation Force. I was going to wait until it hits $10, but...

*adds to Amazon wishlist*

i think it is okay, but in order to be ok you need friends.

Spoiler

beer if you want it to be great

 

[Claude Augario]

people were talking about how bad they think FF is, nothing to do with this. you brought this up

No, people were talking about Tanabe's ability to make Prime 4 after "garbage" and I pointed out that the attitudes were just an extension of the behavior of the cesspool that bubbled up after Other M; people didn't like being reminded of the nonsense that oozed out of this fanbase during the dark ages.

I mean, if I got caught doing/saying some of those things over a video game I'd pretend it didn't happen too.

 

[Defect]

Just got Other M for 10 bucks, Fed Force for 20 and a world of Nintendo 6" Metroid for 30 because I'm in a fucking Metroid mood!

 

[Stopdoor]

Man, I can't find Federation Force for anything under $40 in Canada still. It sucks. It's gotta hit that Other M/amiibo Festival type bomb price eventually, right...? I don't get it.

Federation Force really should have supported Download Play.

It's not the kind of game where I could ever convince 3 of my friends to all buy copies, but it is however the kind of game where I could see myself getting a single copy and then inviting some friends over to play through the co-op campaign.

Nintendo moving away from Download Play for 3DS and Switch is one of the most disappointing moves they've made with regards to their portables. 10 player Tetris DS and 8 player Bomberman DS are still a thing at every one of my video game parties.

The Blast Ball portion of Federation Force is actually one of the standouts of download play on 3DS - you can download that part for free still from the eShop and Download Play versions actually persist even with you're disconnected from the host. Next Level Games are actually the champions of Download Play, because Luigi's Mansion was similarly featured for multiplayer.

It might make some sense that the varied levels and full missions are bit harder to "download" to other players. The examples you cite like Tetris and Bomberman are pretty much the download play ideal model because of the simplicity.

NIntendo didn't even go away from Download Play that much with 3DS, with upgrades like I mentioned for Blast Ball and Luigi's Mansion, cached downloads in all games so if you disconnect reconnecting is faster, two full Mario Party games, Mario Kart actually supporting all the tracks in download play unlike MKDS, its own versions of Tetris with full Download Play, free to download multiplayer games like Steel Diver Sub Wars and Kirby Team Clash, and more like Star Fox 64 3D and Rhythm Heaven Megamix.

You might not have given 3DS multiplayer a chance, to be honest.

 

[dancrane212]

Do we know of any enhancements for "new 2ds/3ds" systems?

 

[Vic_Viper]

Why no Switch? Please don't do this Nintendo..

Awesome it's getting remade but come on..

My exact feeling in this one. I got rid of my 3ds when the Switch came out and will probably never get another one. It's a shame too because I would totally buy this and the Strange Journey remake coming out.

 

[AmayaPapaya]

I always had the assumption that Nintendo released Federation Force because they thought fans would be happy that they were thinking about Metroid, and would take this as an indication that the brand was still alive. However, they seriously miscalculated fan angst, and the game killed itself. I wouldn't take this as anything against Tenabe as a producer, though. I just rewatched the Federation Force direct video, and you can clearly tell they tried their best to release a fun game, and I can't help but feel bad for them, because of the end results.

To those who seem to be wary about his desire to make a Metroid game about the Federations Force and Sylux, read his interview here. This is the one where everyone gets that from. In it, however, he seems indicate he wants to make a Metroid game closest to Prime 2 (which, to me, is the most Metroid game in the series - 2D or 3D). He talks about returning to a single planet style, and a world where time manipulation is a mechanic, similar to Prime 2's dark and light world. When he refers to the Federation Force and Sylux, he refers to them as story in the same way that refers to Dark Samus and Phazon as story in Metroid Prime 1-3. So that could really mean anything. The Federation Force were a big part of Prime 2 as well, and, if they were in the new Prime game, it would be fantastic if they handled it similarly.

While I'm not saying that fans (of which, I am included), shouldn't be cautious about Metroid Prime 4, there really isn't any direct indication that we should be worried about Tenabe. He has had a hand in every Metroid Prime game, and seems to be grabbing from great places, even if there are some questionable ones, as well.

Also, you can't say he doesn't care about the series. Even after the brutalization that the fans gave him after Federation Force, he still worked hard to find a team and the resources that would help him make Prime 4. In the interview, and this seems to be a theme with Metroid and Nintendo, Tenabe said he was trying to get a team and recources together, to make Prime 4, but failed to do so (at the time). Obviously he kept trying, and I don't think we would have Prime 4 if he didn't. So, I guess that's why I am a little defensive over this. He is the one responsible for bring us this game. I just feel like fans should be giving him a little more faith, and respect than what (some) have given.

 

[WonderzL]

I always had the assumption that Nintendo released Federation Force because they thought fans would be happy that they were thinking about Metroid, and would take this as an indication that the brand was still alive. However, they seriously miscalculated fan angst, and the game killed itself. I wouldn't take this as anything against Tenabe as a producer, though. I just rewatched the Federation Force direct video, and you can clearly tell they tried their best to release a fun game, and I can't help but feel bad for them, because of the end results.

To those who seem to be wary about his desire to make a Metroid game about the Federations Force and Sylux, read his interview here. This is the one where everyone gets that from. In it, however, he seems indicate he wants to make a Metroid game closest to Prime 2 (which, to me, is the most Metroid game in the series - 2D or 3D). He talks about returning to a single planet style, and a world where time manipulation is a mechanic, similar to Prime 2's dark and light world. When he refers to the Federation Force and Sylux, he refers to them as story in the same way that refers to Dark Samus and Phazon as story in Metroid Prime 1-3. So that could really mean anything. The Federation Force were a big part of Prime 2 as well, and, if they were in the new Prime game, it would be fantastic if they handled it similarly.

While I'm not saying that fans (of which, I am included), shouldn't be cautious about Metroid Prime 4, there really isn't any direct indication that we should be worried about Tenabe. He has had a hand in every Metroid Prime game, and seems to be grabbing from great places, even if there are some questionable ones, as well.

Also, you can't say he doesn't care about the series. Even after the brutalization that the fans gave him after Federation Force, he still worked hard to find a team and the resources that would help him make Prime 4. In the interview, and this seems to be a theme with Metroid and Nintendo, Tenabe said he was trying to get a team and recources together, to make Prime 4, but failed to do so (at the time). Obviously he kept trying, and I don't think we would have Prime 4 if he didn't. So, I guess that's why I am a little defensive over this. He is the one responsible for bring us this game. I just feel like fans should be giving him a little more faith, and respect than what (some) have given.

yeah, tanabe is cool. federation forces was the wrong game at the wrong time

 

[The Lamp]

Why isn't METROID Zero Mission on the 3DS VC but it is on the Wii U?

I just want ZM, Fusion, and Super Metroid on the same handheld platform damn it

Trying to play to prepare for this new remake

 

[WonderzL]

Why isn't METROID Zero Mission on the 3DS VC but it is on the Wii U?

I just want ZM, Fusion, and Super Metroid on the same handheld platform damn it

Trying to play to prepare for this new remake

3ds doesn't have gba VC. also since the thing is pretty much dead i don't think it's ever getting it

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

Why isn't METROID Zero Mission on the 3DS VC but it is on the Wii U?

I just want ZM, Fusion, and Super Metroid on the same handheld platform damn it

Trying to play to prepare for this new remake

GBA emulation on the 3DS is pretty much impossible. Doable on the N3DS most likely, but Nintendo has moved on past the 3DS at this point.

 

[kunonabi]

I always had the assumption that Nintendo released Federation Force because they thought fans would be happy that they were thinking about Metroid, and would take this as an indication that the brand was still alive. However, they seriously miscalculated fan angst, and the game killed itself. I wouldn't take this as anything against Tenabe as a producer, though. I just rewatched the Federation Force direct video, and you can clearly tell they tried their best to release a fun game, and I can't help but feel bad for them, because of the end results.

To those who seem to be wary about his desire to make a Metroid game about the Federations Force and Sylux, read his interview here. This is the one where everyone gets that from. In it, however, he seems indicate he wants to make a Metroid game closest to Prime 2 (which, to me, is the most Metroid game in the series - 2D or 3D). He talks about returning to a single planet style, and a world where time manipulation is a mechanic, similar to Prime 2's dark and light world. When he refers to the Federation Force and Sylux, he refers to them as story in the same way that refers to Dark Samus and Phazon as story in Metroid Prime 1-3. So that could really mean anything. The Federation Force were a big part of Prime 2 as well, and, if they were in the new Prime game, it would be fantastic if they handled it similarly.

While I'm not saying that fans (of which, I am included), shouldn't be cautious about Metroid Prime 4, there really isn't any direct indication that we should be worried about Tenabe. He has had a hand in every Metroid Prime game, and seems to be grabbing from great places, even if there are some questionable ones, as well.

Also, you can't say he doesn't care about the series. Even after the brutalization that the fans gave him after Federation Force, he still worked hard to find a team and the resources that would help him make Prime 4. In the interview, and this seems to be a theme with Metroid and Nintendo, Tenabe said he was trying to get a team and recources together, to make Prime 4, but failed to do so (at the time). Obviously he kept trying, and I don't think we would have Prime 4 if he didn't. So, I guess that's why I am a little defensive over this. He is the one responsible for bring us this game. I just feel like fans should be giving him a little more faith, and respect than what (some) have given.

I couldn't stand Prime 2,3, Hunters, or Federation Force. It's as simple as that. If he wants me to have faith in his ability to make Prime 4 something amazing then he's going to have to show me something first.

 

[flohen95]

Why isn't METROID Zero Mission on the 3DS VC but it is on the Wii U?

I just want ZM, Fusion, and Super Metroid on the same handheld platform damn it

Trying to play to prepare for this new remake

There's no GBA VC on 3DS. The only GBA games Nintendo has put out on 3DS are the 10 ambassador games (which include Metroid Fusion, but not Zero Mission) and iirc those run in the 3DS DS mode, which is why Nintendo has never put those up for sale (as DS mode forgoes 3DS's unique features and doesn't include any other VC features either, like save states).

 

[TheSpaceBetween]

I don't think so, the FF backlash certainly left an impact on Tanabe.

The reveal used Prime 1s intro music.
The factsheet mentions that Prime 4 will "return to the First Person​ Adventure roots of the original Metroid Prime" and drops the word "isolation".

I think Tanabe knows at this point very well what the Fanbase wants from a MP.

Can he deliver it is a whole other question though. Without Retro I remain optimistic but certainly not as confident as I would be with them.

 

[Opa-Pa]

GBA emulation on the 3DS is pretty much impossible. Doable on the N3DS most likely, but Nintendo has moved on past the 3DS at this point.

3DS can actually play GBA games natively actually, it's how the ambassador ones work and the reason they lose 3DS features like true sleep mode, since the 3DS enters GBA mode inside... DS mode.

Why Nintendo never decided to monetize roms on the eShop, we'll never know (personally I don't like to play that way, but I'm sure lots of people don't mind).

 

[WiiRevolution1]

Whats really sad about FF is that I found out about it being $20 on amazon prime exclusive the day after my prime free trial ended. RIP in piece getting it.

Also MP2R is the only Nintendo game that didn't have a prime 20% discount. Truly Ninyendo never wants me to play Metroid SMH.

 

[Leks]

I just want ZM, Fusion, and Super Metroid on the same handheld platform damn it

This.

Nintendo, please.

 

[Jofamo]

3DS can actually play GBA games natively actually, it's how the ambassador ones work and the reason they lose 3DS features like true sleep mode, since the 3DS enters GBA mode inside... DS mode.

Why Nintendo never decided to monetize roms on the eShop, we'll never know (personally I don't like to play that way, but I'm sure lots of people don't mind).

The ambassador games actually run like shit though. I went back to Metroid Fusion on my N3DSXL and it's a blurry mess. Basically unplayable, total hack job. If they were to introduce a proper GBA VC on N3DS (which I can honestly see happening), it would have to run a lot better than those did.

 

[The Lamp]

GBA emulation on the 3DS is pretty much impossible. Doable on the N3DS most likely, but Nintendo has moved on past the 3DS at this point.

Well I'm playing Fusion on my 3DS because I'm an Ambassador so they got it to work somehow. I just want them all on a portable platform.

I fucking hope Nintendo creates a unified VC for Switch

The ambassador games actually run like shit though. I went back to Metroid Fusion on my N3DSXL and it's a blurry mess. Basically unplayable, total hack job. If they were to introduce a proper GBA VC on N3DS (which I can honestly see happening), it would have to run a lot better than those did.

What? I'm playing it right now and it's fine.

 

[Rodney McKay]

Well I'm playing Fusion on my 3DS because I'm an Ambassador so they got it to work somehow. I just want them all on a portable platform.

I fucking hope Nintendo creates a unified VC for Switch

What? I'm playing it right now and it's fine.

After homebrewing my 3DS and putting my GBA collection onto it, the Ambassador GBA games we got really aren't great. They're playable, but the colors are washed out and there is an added amount of motion blur in them for some reason. The fact that it's apparently such an easy fix too makes it even more clear Nintendo just never cared about doing GBA VC on 3DS.

I'm really hoping for a good VC solution on the Switch, but I'm definitely disheartened by the fact that it never even got a mention at E3 this year. I know it's only a few months since the console released, but all we've gotten so far is that with the online service we'll get a few NES game.
I just hoped they'd announce VC soon since they tend to drip feed the game releases for years, so the sooner they start doing the sooner I might be able to play the old games I want to replay.

 

[The Last One]

I couldn't stand Prime 2,3, Hunters, or Federation Force. It's as simple as that. If he wants me to have faith in his ability to make Prime 4 something amazing then he's going to have to show me something first.

That's not the first time you grace us with an awful post, but geez... you have a

Spoiler

terrible

very questionable taste for games, just saying. And Tanabe can't be blamed for that.

Prime 1 and Echoes are two of the best games ever made. And Prime 3 is really great after the prologue.

 

[Opa-Pa]

The ambassador games actually run like shit though. I went back to Metroid Fusion on my N3DSXL and it's a blurry mess. Basically unplayable, total hack job. If they were to introduce a proper GBA VC on N3DS (which I can honestly see happening), it would have to run a lot better than those did.

I hear you, that's why I said I don't like to play them that way. It's not even emulation as it's playing them natively, but they added some filters like a darkening one and a blurry one (I think it's to protect the screen of burn ins?), and it's all stretched out on top of all that, so they look like shit.

I'm an ambassador too and tried starting Fusion last night via that way but it looked so bad that I'm just emulating it with CFW now lol.

 

[MoonFrog]

I am also curious how feeding the thing will change progression.

I forget, but was it ever not immediately obvious where the environment had changed in II or was it always like toxic sludge in the room you killed the Metroid in receded?

We had to backtrack for some of that right?

I wonder if it'll always be apparent after you do the DNA thing where the environment changed.

But yeah after seeing the maps and being corrected on my bad memory of power ups in II, I'm thinking this game will be closer to II than I first thought.

 

[Experien]

The ambassador games actually run like shit though. I went back to Metroid Fusion on my N3DSXL and it's a blurry mess. Basically unplayable, total hack job. If they were to introduce a proper GBA VC on N3DS (which I can honestly see happening), it would have to run a lot better than those did.

What? No way! Fusion runs nicely. And it looks good to boot. Not sure what's wrong with your 3ds.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

3DS can actually play GBA games natively actually, it's how the ambassador ones work and the reason they lose 3DS features like true sleep mode, since the 3DS enters GBA mode inside... DS mode.

Why Nintendo never decided to monetize roms on the eShop, we'll never know (personally I don't like to play that way, but I'm sure lots of people don't mind).

Well I'm playing Fusion on my 3DS because I'm an Ambassador so they got it to work somehow. I just want them all on a portable platform.

I fucking hope Nintendo creates a unified VC for Switch

What? I'm playing it right now and it's fine.

No he's right. The ambassador GBA games are pretty shit. Blurry, no sleep mode, no miiverse, no save states, just an all-around embarrassment. The reason they never sold them is because it's a patchwork workaround at best.