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[Amir0x]

Evidently alot colleges block xbox live and the psn on their networks.


I'm too old to know that first hand

A lot of dorms don't let you connect a console to the schools Internet.

I think there's quite a few colleges that don't allow the Xbox to communicate to LIVE in the dorm rooms. Not sure how prevalent this is.

wow, I didn't even remember that. At this point, I'm starting to go from being depressed that I won't be able to play many of those amazing looking Xbox One games to being actively entertained by this mess. It never stops. One thing after another, like the beating of a war drum, relentlessly informing the world of Xbox One's nutcase policies.

I don't believe in third console curses, but I do believe the Xbox One is officially one of the most fucked gaming consoles of all time.

Even that is a pretty bad solution. It means the Xbox One at the base can only play games that were released while the Xbox One was back in the US, so the games can be authenticated. New game comes out? Gotta fly that Xbox One back to the US, register the game, fly it back to base. Really thoughtful of them.

As a prior hearty Xbox 360 fan, can you make heads or tails about their strategy? I am dumbfounded to figure out where they're going with it at this point. i thought I maybe understood early on, but nothing about it makes any sense anymore. Nothing.

 

[MrDaravon]

True story: a friend of ours is overseas right on tour in I believe Afghanistan (not 100% sure on the exact spot). He posted on another forum a day or two ago saying that he had missed all of the E3 news because their internet there is usually non-existent for days at a time so he wasn't sure what had happened and was asking how everything had gone. The irony doesn't escape me.

 

[soulassssns]

So why not just get PS4s?

None are backcompatible anyways.

Not american enough?

Missed the point much?

 

[Speevy]

I did read your post.

?

Don't take this as a personal attack but you sound like a Sony fanboy back in 2006 or a Nintendo fanboy when the PSX was released.

Before most Americans owned a 360 they owned a ps2 and I'm guessing in a year that most Americans who own a ps4 also owned a 360...

How about the Wii? Most people didn't jump on board with the wiiU... Console dominance isn't set in stone.

I didn't say console dominance was set in stone. I just said the Xbone will outsell the PS4 this holiday season in the US.

It doesn't imply that I like the console or want it to succeed, or that I agree with anything Microsoft has done.

It's just gonna happen. Call it a crazy guy's hunch if that makes you feel better.

 

[fart town usa]

The Xbone is the Mitt Romney of Video game consoles.

Ha

 

[sephi22]

Does anyone want to bet me that the Xbone won't outsell the PS4 this holiday season? Any takers?

I'll gladly eat crow.

I would. Are you talking USA or Worldwide?

 

[NullPointer]

Do we need another #hashtag

#bonelessGaming

 

[jmdajr]

I just....

man...

You're losing the Dudebros! Listen to reason!

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

I don't want to see anyone else banned, and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't let me back after a 13th ban.

Just the avatars.

I guess thats a yes to our Avatar bet then?

Winner chooses the avatar for the loser for 3 weeks.

If PS4 outsells Xbox in NPD during holiday months then I win. If not you win.

Of course this applies if their price remain the same like they are now.

 

[famousmortimer]

They can't. Pachter said it in an interview. They designed the Xbox so that it is dependent on that stuff.
For example if you play Halo and say "Xbox, play Fifa", it can instatntly switch to Fifa. Therefore the game has to be completely on the HDD, because it has to work without the disc inside the console.
So, if they paddle back and let you lend your games and play offline and stuff, people would just install their games on the HDD and give away the disc. Since the console isn't online MS can't do shit about it.

They would have to take away those "instant" features, but I don't think they want to do that.

They don't want to do that. But they want money. If changing this stuff will make them more money, they will do it.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

I'm talking about the Xbox brand when I refer to Microsoft.

Their console is what's driving the console industry right now.

??

Didn't both XBox consoles finish second place?

 

[Row]

A few million consoles won't affect MS bottom line. That is a small percentage of the install base.

The bad word of mouth anf pr shitstorm will

 

[Kerub]

More like #XboxWon

 

[thumb]

I can't give everyone a $5 gift certificate if everyone is going to bet against me.

Okay, here's the bet.


NPD data combined for November and December, whichever console is higher. Period.

I'll wear any avatar you guys want.

Sounds mostly reasonable. But I don't know that I want to bet avatars. Too many…weird choices are possible. How about just post a thread saying you were wrong or right? If I'm not a member by then, I'll post in the thread and acknowledge being wrong.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I don't believe in third console curses, but I do believe the Xbox One is officially one of the most fucked gaming consoles of all time.

Certainly the most fucked at this point in its release cycle. Pending any kind of massive course correction I don't see how this ends any way but very badly for Microsoft.

 

[SlowRevolution]

College students could also have trouble clearing out enough space in their dorms for the Kinect to work right. I don't know how much they've improved that for the second version, though.

 

[weevles]

The military are exactly the Xbone demographic. And they, by and large, have the money to spend on this type of entertainment.

Mind boggled.

 

[PhoenixDark]

They can't. Pachter said it in an interview. They designed the Xbox so that it is dependent on that stuff.
For example if you play Halo and say "Xbox, play Fifa", it can instatntly switch to Fifa. Therefore the game has to be completely on the HDD, because it has to work without the disc inside the console.
So, if they paddle back and let you lend your games and play offline and stuff, people would just install their games on the HDD and give away the disc. Since the console isn't online MS can't do shit about it.

They would have to take away those "instant" features, but I don't think they want to do that.

Yup. While I think there are enough dudebros out there who will support this no matter what (and have consistent internet connections), in the long term this will hurt the console's growth potential. This was supposed to be a very profitable box but I think it's going to be a semi disaster.

 

[Paper Sparrow]

College Students? What did they do to them now!? lol

Just the 24 hour online thing. Some colleges don't allow consoles to connect to their internet. Though it wouldn't surprise me if they say "Just get a 360".

 

[Xplatformer]

#Microsoft4Terrorists

#Xboxhatesourtroops

#FuckoffMicrosoft

The games they've shown are great and all, but fuck off Microsoft. Not supporting the troops and at least accommodating them is such utter shit.

Best game, Titanfall can either be played on PC...or wait a year and probably play on PS4.

 

[MarkusRJR]

From personal experience (and from friends in different schools), a lot of dorms in colleges/universities block access to Xbox Live and PSN which basically means any student that buys an Xbox One will end up having a brick unless they move. Plus there's the fact that Kinect is required and will not work in the cramped dorms.

 

[Kusagari]

If you're not going to read what my posts actually say, please don't bother responding.

Does anyone want to bet me that the Xbone won't outsell the PS4 this holiday season? Any takers?

I'll gladly eat crow.

Even if the Xbone is a Wii-level success I don't see how it outsells the PS4 this holiday.

Every single report is saying it will be far more supply constrained.

 

[MrMephistoX]

I smell marketing opportunity for Destiny. Seriously I'm not even joking Bungie should be promoting the hell out of the fact that they're the original Halo creators to their fans in the military.

Wow at the BS Mattrick esque response from MS PR really quite shameful.

 

[harSon]

I don't think that's possible. It would be a matter of months before those systems got out to the public rendering half of their XBL shit useless.

They could just have special Xbox Live accounts for military personell, and within these types of accounts, it's only required that you initially activate the game and tie it to your account for it to be played. The profile could be locally stored/downloaded to the console, and it wouldn't really matter if the system got out in the wild because the person would need access to said account for any workarounds to be had.

 

[entremet]

Has there been any company that has tried to limit its marketshare so purposely lol.

 

[chubigans]

A few million consoles won't affect MS bottom line. That is a small percentage of the install base.

This sounds exactly like what an MS exec would say. Which is kind of missing the point entirely, but hey.

 

[watership]

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Microsoft really don't give a shit do they?

i think they give a shit. They probably gave a shit when they made the decision probably 2 years ago. It's going to be interesting to see how this works out.

 

[Speevy]

Sounds mostly reasonable. But I don't know that I want to bet avatars. Too many…weird choices are possible. How about just post a thread saying you were wrong or right? If I'm not a member by then, I'll post in the thread and acknowledge being wrong.

Sure, gladly.

I will live up to my end, and I know just the avatar for you guys if you're wrong.

 

[Cerity]

News outlets are going to love this mess once it spreads even further and gets closer to christmas.

W8 issues and 360 issues weren't as bad but they've really dun goofed with X1

 

[massoluk]

The choices left for US Military men are now both Japanese, while the only one made by US company is getting pooped on.

 

[Yazuka]

I am still amazed at how much Microsoft has droped the ball. As someone said earlier in this thread they are basicly handing next gen to Sony.

Microsoft is going to have to work really hard and change a lot of stuff to get rid of all this bad press. I just wonder if it will be enough? People who get this horribly burned by a company usually don't return.

 

[MThanded]

Maddow on your ass.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

From what I understand America is very military focused. For headlines to say "This company does not care about the military" is probably huge.

Probably every extended family has an uncle or cousin somehow involved in military, doesn't have to be active deployment. And those families then wont get an XOne because they dont support the military = they dont support their family

I know it sounds absurd but thats my take from this.

That's pretty accurate IMO. If your eldest kid is serving and has to switch, the word of mouth spreads amongst the family, younger siblings are more likely to switch as well. As are those people's online buddies.

Its not just those serving but also the people in their social circle.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

therapist bills in redmond must be skyrocketing

 

[BigDug13]

I didn't say console dominance was set in stone. I just said the Xbone will outsell the PS4 this holiday season in the US.

It doesn't imply that I like the console or want it to succeed, or that I agree with anything Microsoft has done.

It's just gonna happen. Call it a crazy guy's hunch if that makes you feel better.

Oh now it's the US. Moving goalposts already.

 

[moai]

I dont get the issue here. Buy a ps4.
Also dont get why they need special treatment or attention. It's just a job like any other.
Must be a US thing.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Just the 24 hour online thing. Some colleges don't allow consoles to connect to their internet. Though it wouldn't surprise me if they say "Just get a 360".

I remember trying to guide some people through connecting the PS3 to college Internet and not having success. I think I remember having to tell them to speak with the school admins regarding the issue.

 

[Kusagari]

Best game, Titanfall can either be played on PC...or wait a year and probably play on PS4.

A lot of people seem to be disregarding that Titanfall will be coming out on a console most gamers already own: the Xbox 360.

Are people really going to rush out and buy a system for a game on 360?

 

[hydrophilic attack]

If you're not going to read what my posts actually say, please don't bother responding.

Does anyone want to bet me that the Xbone won't outsell the PS4 this holiday season? Any takers?

I'll gladly eat crow.

Dude, you're gonna lose so much money.

PR damage notwithstanding, they were going to sell less anyway, because they won't have as many units to sell in the first place.

You should go read up on some truthfacts.

Oh, you are doing some kind of shaming thing instead? I'm up for the bet.

 

[MrCunningham]

Should've said Xbox One. THEY SCREWED UP SO MUCH PEOPLE ARE SELLING 360S AND BUYING PS3S.

That would've been a stronger punchline, actually.

 

[Speevy]

Oh now it's the US. Moving goalposts already.

Never said worldwide. Not once. Your goalpost is imagined.

 

[something fishy]

Could they have got it any more wrong? (Ms that is).

 

[Liamario]

They're going to back pedal on the DRM. This is getting way too much coverage and traction to be honest.

 

[fart town usa]

The choices left for US Military men are now both Japanese, while the only one made by US company is getting pooped on.

It's designed in the US but it sure isn't getting manufactured here.

Nothing does, ha.

 

[Proelite]

Best game, Titanfall can either be played on PC...or wait a year and probably play on PS4.

Well Titanfall is an online mp game without any offline mode so....

 

[Mechazawa]

A lot of people seem to be disregarding that Titanfall will be coming out on a console most gamers already own: the Xbox 360.

Are people really going to rush out and buy a system for a game on 360?

Probably depends on how good/bad that port is. It's not an inhouse port.

 

[Kunan]

Definitely did not see the mainstream press picking this thread up so quickly. It's been brought up a bunch in GAF threads but I suspected it would take awhile to go wide. Maddow posting about this is big. There is very little PR worse than appearing to not care about the troops.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

An always-connected Kinect will likely be enough for military brass to say "Nope, not letting this in."

Yeah. This is really a storm in a teacup. The Xbox one was never going to be let into any Military base in the world, not with a mandatory camera attached, DRM or no DRM.

No offense though, do US servicemen really spend a whole day on the front line, then go home and play battlefield and call of duty? That would be the fucking last thing id want to see.

Its like a prostitute going home to watch porn.

 

[Speevy]

Dude, you're gonna lose so much money.

PR damage notwithstanding, they were going to sell less anyway, because they won't have as many units to sell in the first place.

You should go read up on some truthfacts.

I'm not betting any money.

 

[Ponn]

Even that is a pretty bad solution. It means the Xbox One at the base can only play games that were released while the Xbox One was back in the US, so the games can be authenticated. New game comes out? Gotta fly that Xbox One back to the US, register the game, fly it back to base. Really thoughtful of them.

No need to go that far, its a throw away pr line that someone is trying to grasp at. She just conveniently forgot to say the person would need to connect every 24 hours after. Seriously, how many of those bs misdirects have we had over the last couple weeks. If true wouldnt they be shouting it from the mountain tops by now.