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TeamGhobad
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Better middlewareyeah right. You bring up BF I don't remember anyone thinking it looked better I just remember the black crush issues tht ppl thought looked better but was deceiving and actually hot corrected later on. Even so you me tion one fame out of many against.
point is they will be very similar in terms of graphics. the ssd is another issue.
sonomamashine
Member
Guess what, they never match their counterpart (GPU)
Gamernyc78
Banned
OH multiplats most definitely if we go by the numbers mentioned.
Kazekage1981
Member
This literally defeats the purpose of Microsoft Touting "worlds most powerful console." When PS5 releases with 8%-10% better specs, what will Microsoft do? Up the RAM last minute like how Sony did with PS4? Or make last minute changes in general? Dont developers receive alpha, beta and eventual final development kits over a series of months so they have something to work with? Didnt Killzone launch title only utilize less then 4GB of RAM because of early development kits?
TeamGhobad
Banned
to be fair they said most powerful xbox and were kinda ambiguous in their wording. matt booty is the only one that flat out said xbox will be the most powerful in an interview. systems will be similar and being most powerful is more of a bragging right than anything else and yes its great to have for marketing purposes. still if MS delivers 12 teraflops of RDNA 2.0 + RT im not gonna complain that is a shitload of power.
rəddəM
Member
I'm just glad I voted ~12TF.
The real question is: Is it Navi equivalent of 12TF GCN or is it actually 12 Navi TF?
Because if it's 12TF of Navi then it's way pass 12TF of GCN.
Edit: Because XBox One X is 6TF GCN and if it's 2x XBox One X then its comparing to GCN. Then it's below 12TF but equivalent.
The real question is: Is it Navi equivalent of 12TF GCN or is it actually 12 Navi TF?
Because if it's 12TF of Navi then it's way pass 12TF of GCN.
Edit: Because XBox One X is 6TF GCN and if it's 2x XBox One X then its comparing to GCN. Then it's below 12TF but equivalent.
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Gamernyc78
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They didn't tout worlds most powerful console, in tht statement it said most powerful Xbox console. This has been repeated a billion times and shown. And other companies don't care what the others say tht doesn't make it a fact. Phil nor anyone at Microsoft are the ceos of Sony so thy can't tout such thing if or until specs are released.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Actually the reveal video didn't show 20GB worth of RAM; I've only speculated it's probably 24GB because from what we see in the video there are two banks of three chips on adjacent sides of the APU. So I'm assuming the other two sides have three chips each, totaling twelve. And that they are going with straight 2GB chips instead of the 2GB/1GB mix in the reveal video itself (otherwise a straight mix would be 18GB).
That also assumes they are using a 384-bit bus, which seems logical since the X already has a 384-bit bus. For all we know it could have a 224-bit bus with 12 chips in clamshell mode, but that'd be kinda idiotic.
Thedtrain
Member
Right? That still blows my mind
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
So not vetted yet on Klee
TeamGhobad
Banned
320-bit is being touted. and yes we figured out the amount in a previous thread.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Not if they are implementing Optane DC Persistent Memory as a cache between GDDR6 and the SSD. Granted, Sony could be doing similar ( hope they both are tbh), but it could be different capacities for both.
If MS is willing to go with a much slower raw SSD read/write bandwidth speed, maybe they're putting more emphasis on a PCM memory cache solution? They do have a close business partnership with Intel and Intel's the only one producing PCM-style memory at mass quantities and capacities now (Micron left that sector sometime last year). We heard Sony has some investments in ReRAM but if they had made any breakthroughs on it there'd of been news of it by now so safe to say they haven't made any. But that doesn't mean they can't go for a PCM-style cache solution too nested between main RAM and SSD/cold storage.
Honestly that, memory capacity totals and memory bandwidth are more at the top of my anticipated stack for tech reveals regading these systems than raw TFLOPs and CPU info (though that'll be neat to read up on too).
320-bit bus with no clamshell mode would mean 6x 2GB and 4x 1GB chips to reach 16GB. But that doesn't make sense logistically; cooling wouldn't be the reason, and they would get better deals on the 2GB chips across the board by just buying straight 2GB chips rather than a mix of 2GB and 1GB chips.
320-bit bus is probably what PS5 might use, I don't see why XSEX won't continue a 384-bit bus implementation like the X did.
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Mass Shift
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Anybody else starting think these might just be devs kits? The tower will remain, but might have a glossy or more stylish finish?
demigod
Member
Actually, Phil says it's the most powerful xbox they've created during TGA. MS Marketing says its the most powerful console.
Kazekage1981
Member
I know gamers are going to get powerful consoles due to fundamental changes in the microarchitecture, efficiencies (hardware and software). With that being said, the 8%-10% difference is enough to ignite finding disparities in every micropixel for the same game for each console. In an ideal paradise world a 5% difference would be enough for people to shut up and enjoy the game on the console of their choice without feeling insecure and spew biased fanboy garbage.
Hope not no team no shiny finish they are just finger print and dust magnets.
Gamernyc78
Banned
I was just on their website it doesn't say most powerful "console" it says fastest and most powerful followed by a picture of an Xbox you can construe tht many ways but definitely doesn't say most powerful console.
ArabianPrynce
Member
this is literally what zhuge said like a month ago lol nothing changed. I still believe klee though him and matt hinted at the scarlett reveal the day before so he got infoSo not vetted yet on Klee
demigod
Member
True, its shady nonetheless.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I believe him as well and pretty sure he was vetted awhile back on that site
Kazekage1981
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Thedtrain
Member
Interesting. Changed the wording up a bit from before. Left out Xbox.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Just curious.So not vetted yet on Klee
What has Klee claimed about next gen, and has any of it materialized based on what MS has shown yet with Series X?
Did he even get the name right, or predict it would be shown at the game awards?
TLZ
Banned
Oh noes. It's weaker than the Xbox X! I mean One X.
TeamGhobad
Banned
so we're all waiting for Klee's spreadsheet now?
Gamernyc78
Banned
Yeah doesn't say console it's open ended for a reason and has a Pic of an Xbox underneath. We all know how these marketing things go.
Kazekage1981
Member
I cant infer or deduce that they are referring to a console or video game system?
The above is for Xbox One X.
Aceofspades
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44alltheway
Member
Only insider I have any trust in atm is Klee...
Gamernyc78
Banned
I cant infer or deduce that they are referring to a console or video game system?
The above is for Xbox One X.
Yes and at tht point thy could do tht as Xbox x came out more than a year after pspro and it was a given it was the most powerful console and would remain tht way till next Gen.
DeepEnigma
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ArabianPrynce
Member
Same, seems like a cool dude. Him leaking the scarlett reveal is what set it in stone for me. but like he said plans change but i still trust em
TeamGhobad
Banned
thats a paper mockup not the real thing.
ThaMonkeyClaw
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It almost reminds me of people that constantly tell people how smart they are and how high their IQ is, which usually means they aren't. They keep saying it's the most powerful, but I have a feeling it won't be...
JLMC469
Banned
It’s amazing how people react over (a supposed) <10% power difference. How can a 3rd party dev exploit it?
TeamGhobad
Banned
MS has something to prove, they took a lot of shit for being so much weaker than ps4 so they really need to compensate and I give them credit for it. This was their attitude going into this gen, their arrogance knew no boundries.
transformer
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I know there is much fanboy bickering, and that’s to be expected. Regardless I’m pretty psyched with the recent insights into specs. Seems that both Sony and MS are pushing for powerful consoles above all else. A win for all gamers IMO.
JLMC469
Banned
I mean, is not smart at all touting your console as the most powerful a year before it releases and without knowing what Sony has.
TeamGhobad
Banned
i remember the xbox one spec reveal and they didn't talk RAM, GPU or anything instead talked about having the most transistors LOL it was so pathetic.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That explains Randy Pitchford’s tweet a little more. Forgot about that.
Kagero
Member
That looks like the cardboard mock up IGN made to show relative size.
TeamGhobad
Banned
any proof?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
sigh. you mean you bought a 3700x
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SmokSmog
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TeamGhobad
Banned
i dont think the cpu for the ps5 or the xbox is off the shelf there are a lot more customisations involved.
StreetsofBeige
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Shoe-Box
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
The speculation thread over on RetardEra is closed now because they all got trigggered and broke the report button. #BeliveAllRetards
ArabianPrynce
Member
Too many fucking morons arguing over which console is most powerful like it matters. it has been said multiple times by klee and matt their aint that much difference. but ppl wont shut the fuck up sadly
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