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DonJuanSchlong
Banned
More games to come is all it means
Imtjnotu
Member
So make a speculation thread about it cause none of us know what this means
kyliethicc
Member
they put HZD on PC this year. They will sell some games on PC. Not news
jasondefaoite
Member
2023
ToadMan
Member
The thing is rewriting data like this continually will kill the SSD life. I wouldn't be surprised if PS5 has a similar limit.
In fact hopefully they'll offer an option to stream to an external Harddrive or usb.
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ToadMan
Member
I think the reason Sony has disabled the drive is that there will only be a limited set of supported drives. You'll have to put a specific supported drive in, not just any drive that meets the generic specs.
I think they'll have to do that to map the priority levels onto the external SSD, manage the speeds and integrate it into their controller firmware bearing in mind an external drive will have its own contoller built in.
duhmetree
Member
Sony PC launcher please
Axonometri
Member
Me mind wonders, could an expansion board be made minus the PC controller bits at a lower price point? hmm
ToadMan
Member
The "chest beating" isn't about UI boot times or even really the basic load times of games.
That's just been the misinformed shade thrown around to try and minimise the impact of a > 2x delta in data throughput performance between Xsex and PS5.
It's always been about what changes it can bring to game design and fidelity as was clearly stated by Cerny over 6 months ago.
Only games designed for next gen will show these kinds of features - it's not something that can be measured and compared on launch day.
existensmaximum
Member
I always play Souls games offline. Most annoying shit ever, having random people disturb me. If I couldn't play Souls/BB offline, I would never ever play them. I hate seeing signs that other player has left as well, it totally breaks my immersion and reminds me of other people. For me, the single player experience is almost sacred.
Each to his own
ToadMan
Member
ToadMan
Member
btw, any new war today? Dirt 5 ps5 footage dropped. It seems so quiet.
I don't think anyone can accurately Compare YouTube footage.
So pixel peepers are still blue balling it.
Personally I think it will be after launch before any of this really starts to get analysed - NDAs are too tight these days.
kyliethicc
Member
I agree Sony should give users options, and even let concerned users disable the auto recording entirely. Options are always better.
But the flash will have a write endurance of like 600 TB written. Even with constant 4K recording of 5 mins clips and writing game files over ti e, most users will never get to that wear endurance limit in 5-6 years.
Samsung had the 970 Pro SSD with 1200 TBW endurance and cut it down to 600 TBW for the 980 Pro because they found that like 99+% of users don't need more. The PS5 uses basically the same type of TLC 3D NAND, should be same endurance.
It should be fine. I'll probably only need the console for like 4-5 years or so before I just get a PS5 Slim/Pro anyways.
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DeadOblivion78
Banned
Well this article from 2019 states that SSD's now would last about 10 years so I wouldn't worry at all.
SSD Lifespan: How Long do Solid-State Drives Last? - N-able
Read about the common lifespan of SSD and what you can do to prepare for when your solid-state drive fails.
www.solarwindsmsp.com
Codeblew
Member
Electronics randomly breaking is nothing new. Shit happens. I don't know why people make a big deal about > 1% of them out there are defective.
ToadMan
Member
I guess they could produce a PS5 specific SSD - that would be similar to the one for Xsex. Remove the unnecessary duplicated features and save a bit of cash.
The question then though is if the built in controller can manage 2 discrete SSD devices.
The Xsex has an internal 4 lane controller - 2 lanes for the internal SSD and 2 for the external.
PS5's is also 4 lane but if you reduced it 2x2 like the Xsex the throughput would be less than the 5.5gb/s. 2 lanes maxes out at 3.5gb/s if I remember correctly.
So somewhere in the PS5 hardware there are some extra - probably 4 more - lanes beyond those for the internal SSD.
The block diagrams of the PS5 didn't seem to show exactly where an external SSD pipes in its data.
kyliethicc
Member
Yeah I'm not worried, I'll get my 5 years or so of use out of it. Then I'll just buy a new PS5 (slim/pro) etc.Well this article from 2019 states that SSD's now would last about 10 years so I wouldn't worry at all.
SSD Lifespan: How Long do Solid-State Drives Last? - N-able
Read about the common lifespan of SSD and what you can do to prepare for when your solid-state drive fails.
I usually don't use the same console, phone or laptop for more than 5 years. I made my og PS4 last from 2014 to 2019 until I sold it and it felt fucking old by then lol.
Thats why I'm not concerned that the PS5 flash is soldered to the board. It'll be fine
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Hmm, so I came across PS5 is too hot and thus had to be shutdown image from somewhere in reddit. Should someone be worried at this?
DeadOblivion78
Banned
If you take your console with you to a sauna room then yes.
Metroiddarks
Member
At least you want to do this to your console don't worry.
Even a Nintendo Switch can die in that way.
Bittermich
Banned
I guess all PS games will come to PC, just like Xbox games.
It's just free money for Sony basically.
It's fake, or not?
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
oh dear...this is an official PS5 kiosk setup...
Digital Foundry test will be soon so we will see.
Sw0pDiller
Banned
there is another way to counter the invasions: GIT GUD!
Red_Driver85
Member
It's bullshit. This is business for dumbs. Exclusives are the only thing that makes you look at the Sony's console as a console that you want to buy and not build a PC. Microsoft has a merge gamepass, Sony has their own exclusives, and they need to stay within the ecosystem to stay competitive. Otherwise, over time, PS5 will lose its attractiveness to players as a buy. Need another useless Xbox? Fuck it.
Sw0pDiller
Banned
yeah thats true, there will be defective units out of the box and units that break down during the first uses. it happens. it's just that everything is magnified right now and it becomes ammo for the other side.
ToadMan
Member
Its not that bad is it? Nintendo is doing well - massive sales right now.
So we can all just game on that and Sony and MS and everyone else will just put their content there.
Sounds like the best outcome all round.
Sony Linux Launcher Please.
regawdless
Banned
When does the PS5 review embargo lift?
danielJackson
Banned
It have been known for months that PS5 have more lanes and add-on ssd doesnt cut anything from the internal one
Madjako
Member
I saw the same message with a ps3 kiosk. It's due to the fact that the PS5 is in a closed box with not enough air.oh dear...this is an official PS5 kiosk setup...
In real world you never have this message, at least I've never had one with my ps3.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
Just imagine there was some kind of open gaming alliance with with Epic, Valve, Khronos, AMD and Nvidia to release a fully open and optimised gaming OS.Sony Linux Launcher Please.
Despite Microsoft's promises to keep everything open, it would be great if Linux gaming was more widely supported. Competition is good.
Yoboman
Member
It means they released Horizon on PC and somebody had the job of analysing sales projections and developing the pricing model and storefront support for it to earn a $50 million return
Means it probably sold about 1 million at $50 a pop
Snowdonhoffen
Member
I doubt it's just about Horizon, these past 12 months they released Detroit, Predator Hunting Grounds, Death Stranding and Horizon on PC so probably those 50 million are including those 4 games which I don't know if it's good or bad.
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ToadMan
Member
Yeah and where do those lanes go? SSD controller or to the I/O complex?
ethomaz
Banned
I won't enter in spoilers but but I strong recommend to play Demon's Souls online.I always play Souls games offline. Most annoying shit ever, having random people disturb me. If I couldn't play Souls/BB offline, I would never ever play them. I hate seeing signs that other player has left as well, it totally breaks my immersion and reminds me of other people. For me, the single player experience is almost sacred.
Each to his own
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ethomaz
Banned
SSDs today have a bigger lifespan than mechanical HDD.
Venom Snake
Member
This message is clearly because of the user's gigantic erection.
existensmaximum
Member
Nope. Ain't gonna happen, online is a 100% deal-breaker for me. I'd rather not play at all.
Yoboman
Member
Detroit and Death Stranding weren't published by Sony on PC
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Rememberr that same shit happened with some booth PS4 and it was such a drama?
ZywyPL
Banned
Seems to me they always had, since ever SSDs hit the market, I've seen and even experienced myself so many HDD drives dying in the past 20-25 years, whereas I haven't even heard of a single example of SSD needing a replacement, with some people having close to a decade old devices, I only read about the (supposed) issue on the internet, and what I read are not even real cases but empty concerns, not backed up by any actual data. By simple logic - the less mechanical parts there are, the less chance of failure. The drives in the upcoming consoles will outlive the fans and BD drives, those are the parts that will die first, I have no doubts about it.
Jaguar Victory
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azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Anecdotally the only HDD that I have died recently it was a "portable" 3'5 hdd from 2004 or 5 I think.
Most of my HDD's still works from more than 10 years ago, I think one of them is old enough to vote.
ethomaz
Banned
Seems like you never had a Seagate j/k.
chilichote
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roosnam1980
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ToadMan
Member
Then I'd suggest not to play this series of games at all.
While they're not online focused, disabling it removes a significant chunk of the experience - particularly later in the game.
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