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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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pawel86ck

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I just wonder what will happen if games will be made with so fast CPU in mind from the start. In order to run PS5 30fps game on PC in 60fps you would have to need at least 2x faster CPU than Ryzen 2
 
ethomaz

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JLMC469 said:
It will still release on PC’s though...

Don’t know how it can be a bullshot if it’s being played on a platform in which it releases.
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That didn’t change the bullshot.

Games demoed in PC high specs to show how it will look on consoles are bullshots.

Others devs did the same and they were called bullshots... there are even cases where the game demoed has to be scaled drown because the console was a limitation factor like Watch Dogs or The Division,
 
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Ar¢tos

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pawel86ck said:
I just wonder what will happen if games will be made with so fast CPU in mind from the start. In order to run PS5 30fps game on PC in 60fps you would have to need at least 2x faster CPU than Ryzen 2
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CPUs on pc run at higher frequencies and can be much beefier. Pc overhead is not that big that consoles get pseudo-100% advantage.
 
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pawel86ck said:
I just wonder what will happen if games will be made with so fast CPU in mind from the start. In order to run PS5 30fps game on PC in 60fps you would have to need at least 2x faster CPU than Ryzen 2
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That's why all next-gen games should offer a 60 fps option. It will also help PSVR2 adoption.

Console gamers will be able to enjoy gameplay fluidity (reminiscent of the arcade era, not to mention zero loading times) and PC gamers won't have to buy 6.4 GHz CPUs. Win-win.

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CPUs on pc run at higher frequencies and can be much beefier.
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How much higher and beefier?

Assuming that next-gen games will have perfect multi-core scaling, then you will need 16 cores @ 3.2 GHz to reach 60 fps or 6.4 GHz for single-threaded games (just look at Crysis 1 and its CPU requirements).

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Pc overhead is not that big that consoles get pseudo-100% advantage.
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PC overhead will always be a thing with DX11, there's no way around it.
 
DeepEnigma

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Evilms said:
When I see this on PS4, I can't even imagine what the PS5 will look like at the end of its life.



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My most anticipated game remaining that knocked TLoU2 down the list. Even Death Stranding moved it down as well with the new trailer, where I was on the fence about DS prior, and I really enjoyed TLoU.

I can't even imagine what we are in store for, with a Zen 2, much faster memory bandwidth, SSD sauce, 10-12TF, etc., baseline for first party games!
 
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JLMC469

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ethomaz said:
That didn’t change the bullshot.

Games demoed in PC high specs to show how it will look on consoles are bullshots.

Others devs did the same and they were called bullshots... there are even cases where the game demoed has to be scaled drown because the console was a limitation factor like Watch Dogs or The Division,
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Let’s wait until the game releases before calling it a bullshot.
 
ResilientBanana

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ethomaz said:
Wait? Devkits are out, no? Sony is demonstrating the devkit already.
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Maybe, but if the devkit was made available recenlty, it's unlikely that most studios have converted over to it completely. They're most likely working on similar spec'd PCs at this point. We aren't even aware if NAVI or ZEN2 is even readily available to install into a desktop let alone a devkit. Also, did Sony confirm that they have devkits or did Pastebin?

You have to consider, any demo that is shown is probably a stable, months old build of the games. They don't just grab it from production and call it a day.
 
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ethomaz

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Sycomunkee said:
Maybe, but if the devkit was made available recenlty, it's unlikely that most studios have converted over to it. They're most likely working on similar spec'd PCs at this point. We aren't even aware if NAVI or ZEN2 is even readily available to install into a desktop let alone a devkit. Also, did Sony confirm that they have devkits or did Pastebin?
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Sony confirmed they were running Spider-Man on PS5 devkits at event.
They whole point was to show the proprietary SDD solution on de devkit.
 
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ResilientBanana

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ethomaz said:
No. PS5 devkit. A devkit can still be a PC at this point.
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Do you have connections or something? Have you seen what the fuckin' thing looks like?

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I'm well aware that a PC is considered a Devkit. I think we're done here, I'm speaking in context to the article which mentions that Halo : Infinite will most likely be played on a PC. Which makes me think that final devkits aren't complete, not that some form of them doesn't exist.
 
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ethomaz

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We know Sony showed at least twice the devkits:

- Wired (that one called a slower version of the recent devkit)
- Financial event to show Spider-Man demo (that one showed to all participantes)
 
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ResilientBanana

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Did anyone miss the fact that I said " doesn't exist in it's final form"? I'm not saying devkits don't exist, but the current devkit probably doesn't look like a Scarlet Xbox like the Xbox One devkit looks like an Xbox One. It probably looks like a PC and it probably is one for the most part. Same could be said for Playstation 5.
 
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Imtjnotu

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Sycomunkee said:
Did anyone miss the fact that I said " doesn't exist in it's final form"? I'm not saying devkits don't exist, but the current devkit probably doesn't look like a Scarlet Xbox like the Xbox One devkit looks like an Xbox One. It probably looks like a PC and it probably is one for the most part. Same could be said for Playstation 5.
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i went back and re-read what you put. i can see the misunderstanding. you put final in front of console and didnt with the devkit but now i get what you mean
 
ethomaz

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If Sony is using proprietary tech in their SSD solution then it not a PC... even if it is in a PC tower what is inside is the devkit hardware not PC hardware.

The board, connections, etc are not standard PC parts... they have even bus for RAM cache used in their SSD tech.
Plus no PC processor actually has PCI-E 4.0 to Sony demonstrate... so they are using at least an engineer sample Zen 2 or the most probably an engineer sample APU Zen2 + Navi.

What they demonstrated is something PC hardware can't archive... it was the whole point of the presentation.
 
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bitbydeath

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Sycomunkee said:
Did anyone miss the fact that I said " doesn't exist in it's final form"? I'm not saying devkits don't exist, but the current devkit probably doesn't look like a Scarlet Xbox like the Xbox One devkit looks like an Xbox One. It probably looks like a PC and it probably is one for the most part. Same could be said for Playstation 5.
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People are just trying to say there is a difference between-

Devkit - Target specs.
PC - Could be made up of anything.
 
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I think we are only going to be marginally more informed after E3. I took a quick look at the "Project Scorpio" E3 reveal as the timing is similar (1+ year away from release). In summary: 4k resolution and 6TF. That's it. I wouldn't be surprised if a similar announcement is made (e.g. 4k/60, xxTF) without much else. And I"m not expecting anything new from Sony in the near term. These speculations will possibly continue until E3 2020.
 
Evilms

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''When it comes to pure art budget, CPU power isn’t a huge bottleneck we think about a lot. There are, of course, some things that affect art which are on the CPU, but by and large the GPU does all of the heavy lifting. From what we’ve seen so far, the clock speed of a Navi-equivalent GPU won’t be a massive amount faster than existing console hardware, but even a difference of, say, 10% to 15% in GPU compute power could mean a lot of smaller improvements across the board that lead to better-looking games. It would bring the console much closer to the heftier PCs we actually use to develop on, or the high-end gaming PCs that are reserved for gamers who invest thousands of dollars in their hobby. We’ll be able to draw more geometry on the screen, have more complex materials, more VFX and particles on the screens – all kinds of things. On a similar note, having more VRAM would be great for artists, as well. All of the textures we create for games are authored at very high resolutions, but they’re often streamed in at lower resolutions in-game based on the available memory of the console.''
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PlayStation 5's Beefier Hardware Could Help Mitigate Indies' Optimization Troubles, Says Ubisoft Dev

The powerful hardware of the PlayStation 5 could indirectly help mitigate the troubles indie developers often have with optimization.
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