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Nier Replicant (ニーアレプリカント ) Original PS3 vs PS4 Remastered Graphics/Gameplay Comparison
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Lions Gate
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i prefer the original 
Panajev2001a
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Pre-ordered, want to support the work they are doing with Nier!!!
Panajev2001a
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PS4 version on PS5.
I agree. Hope it looks better on PC, because this is quite disappointing. Still hearing that music is hard to resist buying it again... Although maybe I should just find my disc and try it on emu instead, looks pretty good on youtube, and wouldn't have to settle for this weird animu kid instead of infinitely superior Papa Nier.Look at the downgrades in the robot chamber. No lightning. Ground texture simplified. Now look at robots, they don't have shadows. They look flat, unlike originals.
I'm sure they make this thing look like it should in finished product.
Soodanim
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I’d wager that if you upped the framerate and resolution the original would look better than the remake. 1.22 looks flatter and more washed out in the comparison footage (which is why the yellow looks better), lacking shine and reflection on armour for example. Everything lacks contrast.
After also having a look at intro comparison i am even more disappointed now. Emil's head looks like it was cleaned by an eraser or something.
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Yeah, no. There are some effects missing in the remake, but if you can with a serious face say the northern plains would look just as good upressed, you should see an eye doctor.
Methos#1975
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Is this game enhanced at all on next gen or pro consoles?
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So long as they tone down the over-aggressive depth of field effect that turned any character close to the camera into a blurry mess I'm happy. I have a pretty high tolerance for the heavy overexposed/overtreated look, but the original game was a bit much overall, and the DoF was just crudely implemented.
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GrayFoxPL
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What? Did you even played Nier?
Here you have another example:
It comes from
We altered talked about it on the previous page. There's no lightning on this scene, and yes everything is in real time on both consoles.
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What? Did you even played Nier?
Here you have another example:
It comes from
We altered talked about it on the previous page. There's no lightning on this scene, and yes everything is in real time on both consoles.
No its not. You're confusing simple establishing shots/cutaways like on entering a new area with more complex scenes like the wedding or anything using voiced/using higher-lod character assets.
And asking ME if I've played Nier?!? Have you seen my frickin' post history? I've been singing its praises since 2010!
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shenmue mugen
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I preordered last weekend...I would preorder again if possible. Games like this don't appear very often.
Boss Mog
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How could you not have played Nier Automata. Go buy it, like right now.
shenmue mugen
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I'm playing on the PS4 PRO (that I bought AFTER getting a PS5 since my base PS4 was giving up) since I'm using my PS5 for exclusive games for the system only or games that ran ridiculously bad on the PS4 like Until Down, Monster World and Genshin Impact.
GrayFoxPL
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You can't even respond to actual evidence I showed.
Well, you didn't seem to do a good job. If you didn't notice lack of lightning in scene:
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Go back and read my post, I never said there aren't differences but that the degree of difference varies drastically between scenes that were originally pre-rendered (using in-engine assets, but nonetheless pre-rendered as with Automata), and those that were running real-time.
The original Nier also ran at 720p with a wobbly 30fps framerate, this no doubt is not only targeting double the fps but a higher resolution. This is significant if stuff is real-time across the board, which considering the added features trailer shows formerly pre-rendered sequences running with the alternate costumes in place I assume is the case.
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GrayFoxPL
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This is your explanation really?
Because old Nier is 30fps 720p on PS3 and on PS5 is 60fps in quadruple resolution, then that's why we have this:
I already said, I hope this is resolved in final version. But you thinking this my be final thing is because of higher resolution and framerate, make is so much better.
Kataploom
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For many reasons I haven't had a console this gen and this time I just have a PC with a Ryzen APU, wich works like wonders for lots of games but for a handful, not so much... Nier Automata is one of those, but I have on Game Pass, maybe that version will run well, I should try it soon
chaseroni
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Where are the shadows...wtfThis is your explanation really?
Because old Nier is 30fps 720p on PS3 and on PS5 is 60fps in quadruple resolution, then that's why we have this:
I already said, I hope this is resolved in final version. But you thinking this my be final thing is because of higher resolution and framerate, make is so much better.
VALCON 82
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Danjin44 to the rescue!!
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This is your explanation really?
Because old Nier is 30fps 720p on PS3 and on PS5 is 60fps in quadruple resolution, then that's why we have this:
I already said, I hope this is resolved in final version. But you thinking this my be final thing is because of higher resolution and framerate, make is so much better.
I really couldn't give a fuck. Nier is not a game you play for the graphics, and never was. Dumbasses who couldn't see past presentational issues are why the game got treated like shit back in 2010, missing out on one of the best games of its gen as a result.
shenmue mugen
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Really...you must try Automata.
Kataploom
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Well, I was gonna try it but the thing is a unoptimized mess on PC and can't run it with my Vega 8... It's within the 3 or so games I can't run decently (I mean, 720p all low at around 40-50 is not how I want to play it).
I hope I can get my hands on a GPU some day, these prices are just shit.
GrayFoxPL
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I can give a fuck, I always praised Nier here. Who let it try, good. Who don't, they loss. Presentation why? Game had top notch presentation, it wasn't the issue. It was actually strong point of the game. The game was too difficult to explain to people.
Rolling a turd in sand doesn't make it candy. If the game presentation problems I'll show it.
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The only problem here is your attention to detail. Watch some footage, you'll notice that the game only casts shadows in areas with direct, directional light. For instance If you pay attention to the intro movie you'll notice that during the Roc fight everything casts shadows except when they move into occluded areas.
See the ironic thing is that what your pointing at as being missing shouldn't really have been there in the first place, its just a convention that everything casts shadows underneath them like they are directly beneath a stage spotlight!
DevilHunterX0
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Hope we get multiple filter options, like the Uncharted series.
GrayFoxPL
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You don't see shadows, because there aren't any it that area.
They are beneath a stage spotlight? Hahah.
Chandelier!
But no matter lets roll with this. So think how they are no shadows underneath them, crotch- legs area, hand with sword or even when character is jumping?
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You don't see shadows, because there aren't any it that area.
They are beneath a stage spotlight? Hahah.
Chandelier!
But no matter lets roll with this. So think how they are no shadows underneath them, crotch- legs area, hand with sword or even when character is jumping?
Go watch some footage, look at how shadows are handled in every scene. If a character goes into area where there's sunlight they cast a shadow, but the second they move into shade... no shadow.
Interior location, with lighting not only from chandeliers, but lights on the walls... No directional light, just ambient.
I know you think you're smart, but you're not. What do you think a shadow is in reality versus how its generated in a game? Allow me to explain: In reality shadows are cast due to occlusion; an object blocks a directional light-source resulting in a volume of space with lower brightness than the area around it. Its not a "something", its the absence of something.
In the original Nier, the thing that you are missing are the projected shadows. These are basically formed by creating an opaque flat texture based on the caster object model as viewed from the projection angle of the light-source, which is then wrapped and blended onto scene geometry. Its wildly inaccurate as a real simulation of the phenomenon, but it passes.
What they are doing in the remaster is actually a bit more accurate insofar as they are using a simple raycast to test for direct directional light for the single cast shadow per object. which is how you see shadows appear and disappear depending on the location of the characters in open environments.
So, in short there is no argument that what the original is doing is in any way better or more accurate. It isn't, its just more obvious and artificial.
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Silent Viper
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You tell me
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John Bilbo
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Currently 44.79€ on cdkeys.
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YeulEmeralda
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The game looked like shit on the 360. It was the art style that saved it. I loved Nier but it was painfully obvious it didn't have a FF13 budget.
I played it as recently as yesterday. Thing about it is, and this might be what makes some people draw the asinine conclusion the original at times looks better; it has very nice lighting. In some scenes it looks really nice. But it's all due to lighting, the geometry, textures and everything is clearly low budget, and the resolution is pretty low.
Now with the remake, everything else is ramped up dramatically, but the lighting doesn't seem to be as striking, in some cases, not all. It also looks a tiny bit flatter in a sense, maybe due to more natural lightin overall. The remake doesn't have the same level of oversaturation and contrast.
I think maybe the original had better overall art direction, but the remake has a better budget and thus prettier graphics, while some of the magic is not there, or is different, take your pick.
SoraNoKuni
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Something seems off on the shadows department, but I like it.
It's more on par with automata.
Hope it sells well following the automata success, I was really lttp with automata, currently 28hours in and it's hands down my favorite game of all time dethroning the first Dark souls.
Yoko Taro and all the people involved into Automata created something truly special that sets the bar as how a game can be really deep and enjoyable at the same time.
It's more on par with automata.
Hope it sells well following the automata success, I was really lttp with automata, currently 28hours in and it's hands down my favorite game of all time dethroning the first Dark souls.
Yoko Taro and all the people involved into Automata created something truly special that sets the bar as how a game can be really deep and enjoyable at the same time.
N30RYU
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It's that difficult to understand for some ppl that they have gone to a more realistic shadows/lighting like they did with SOTC remake? The original PS360 release was shadow coated with irreal lights and shadows to make charcaters more shiny to pop masking the lack of good textures and geometry.
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Because they did not. This is just your wishful thinking trying to cover for they lazy ass job. Don't know why. This game currently looks it has no shadows except when exposed to the "direct sunlight". This make the main character look very cheap and out of place indoors. If they have better textures now, with this approach they've really failed to expose it, because without any lightning the details on those textures are not visible and look super flat. One can still hope for a day1 patch that would actually improve things, but in a most likely scenario only PC players will get unofficial fix.
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Its what I described. It is more advanced than the original game's shadows but still a fairly basic single-point implementation. If you were doing a full on ray-traced solution it wouldn't look anything like the 2010 version, what you'd get instead would be multiple softer shadows in the interiors because the way the environments are lit utilize a lot of short fall-off lights on walls and ceilings.
I'm actually wondering if they might add them in to a next-gen upgrade because you can see skylight is actually handled with some care. For example if you check the footage out of the barren temple platforming area, you see the shadows appear and disappear accurately as the player move through the shafts of light cast through gaps in the ceiling.
I'd suspect it's probably just a Yoko thing, as its known that a key part of his vision for the game is that surfaces should be matte and dust covered for the most part to reflect the state of the world. I guess if he wants to avoid overuse of specularity, he might feel the same about excessive use of shadows...
The original Nier has a more singular focus thematically but if anything its even more dense than the sequel. Its an extraordinarily complex game to analyze because its doing a whole bunch of things at the same time, all while wrapped in an overall premise that is comfortingly familiar from the outset.
Its deliberately contradictory and exceptionally subversive.
