Really hoping the big open world is filled with some form of procedural content. One thing they've shown so far are the 'roaming' boss monsters (literally the only thing we've been shown). A fast-moving boss monster that can actually cause havoc and destruction would require a big open world to chase and fight. So it may remain mostly empty, but serve the purpose of giving you room to chase down these enemies. (Think king bulblin fight in twilight princess, but in several different places against several different enemies over time).
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TheGreatMightyPoo
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The Legend of Zelda: Temptation of Absolute IndulgenceI just wanna know the name. Quick View of the reveal trailer and then big media blackout. Gamexplain videos will be difficult to avoid.
I think something like this is definitely going to happen. I'm pretty sure Aonuma already said we can expect bosses showing up in the field, where you'd have to figure out how to deal with them while being chased around. Basically exactly what we saw in that first trailer.
Skittzo0413
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He did, and he also made a comment I think a year later saying how this will be a "different" open world with his own "twist" or something to that effect. I wonder if the bosses/big monsters showing up in the field randomly will be part of that twist, maybe sort of like in Dragon's Dogma. It certainly keeps you on your toes when you realize giant monsters can randomly show up anywhere in the field.
Or maybe these giant monsters can cause damage/changes in the environment, like the laser monster from the E3 2014 trailer breaking that bridge, so from now on you need to find a different way to cross that river. Little touches like that would do wonders for an open world game- you would need to consider carefully how to fight these monsters and where to do it... you'd have to consider keeping them away from NPCs and houses, or important areas where you often go... that would honestly be somewhat of a revolution in open world gaming.
A bit off topic, but I am sure many people felt a strong Studio Ghibli vibe in the early trailer. What a great inspiration. The amount of creativity that animation house has is what Nintendo may need to make the Zelda formula even better. What if they even had some collaboration with them?
Of course we'll see it ONCE, since we've been shown that we will. I just hope it's more than once, and ideally procedural. It can happen at random or after triggering stuff, and can be used to grind for materials/rupees (or even better, as a way to protect the towns which you'll need to rebuild if they get damaged). I'd love a little bit of monster hunter spice thrown into the zelda mix. Not full-on monster hunter, mind you - just the idea of random monsters (hopefully some dragons too) roaming the land that need to be taken down. Probably closer to how Hyrule Warriors handles boss monsters (stop them quick before they take over the base!)
That's a pipedream many have had. But it's a pipedream nonetheless at this stage...
I agree it does have a certain "whimsy" and charm about it from which one could draw similarities to some Ghibli productions. Suppose it's subjective though.
True. I guess the action sequence with the multi legged monster chase and horseback archery felt so Mononoke to me. (=
Rather than using this old one, I feel like we should start a separate thread for general Zelda U discussion and to talk about our hopes and fears. I know I want to put mine down in text so I can read it back and see what I it was that I expected. That way I'll be able to be honest about whether the game has lived up to my expectations.
I'm able to appreciate it in all of the games where there aren't 'cinematic' cutscenes where you'd expect characters to talk, but they don't. Now, the only games where that really applies are Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword. It only really began bothering me at around SS's release, by which point decent voice acting was an industry staple. With hindsight I think it might have improved Twilight Princess too, though since Midna talked in 'nonsense' and was the main character of that game, (and there weren't many non-Midna cutscenes after the opening hour or so) I felt like they got away with it.
The other Zelda games are either top-down (in which case text makes perfect sense) or so polygonal and basically animated that you have to use your imagination to make any sense of the scene anyway.
EDIT: (Link ahead contains major Skyward Sword spoilers, sorry) /edit
But this kind of thing... this is no longer anything but a directed scene that is missing the voice acting it requires. Her mouth is moving, for god's sake! If you think the scene linked is fine, then we're just on different pages here.
Don't get me wrong - I'm one of the Zelda fans who loved Skyward Sword, and loved the story. But I thought the presentation of that story was one of the game's biggest flaws.
I'm able to appreciate it in all of the games where there aren't 'cinematic' cutscenes where you'd expect characters to talk, but they don't. Now, the only games where that really applies are Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword. It only really began bothering me at around SS's release, by which point decent voice acting was an industry staple. With hindsight I think it might have improved Twilight Princess too, though since Midna talked in 'nonsense' and was the main character of that game, (and there weren't many non-Midna cutscenes after the opening hour or so) I felt like they got away with it.
The other Zelda games are either top-down (in which case text makes perfect sense) or so polygonal and basically animated that you have to use your imagination to make any sense of the scene anyway.
EDIT: (Link ahead contains major Skyward Sword spoilers, sorry) /edit
But this kind of thing... this is no longer anything but a directed scene that is missing the voice acting it requires. Her mouth is moving, for god's sake! If you think the scene linked is fine, then we're just on different pages here.
Don't get me wrong - I'm one of the Zelda fans who loved Skyward Sword, and loved the story. But I thought the presentation of that story was one of the game's biggest flaws.
Skittzo0413
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I agree we should use a dedicated Zelda thread, rather than this now fairly misleading Nintendo thread. I'm getting super excited about the Zelda reveal so I'd love to see a lot of active discussion on what people expect based on all the comments and quotes we have and the footage we've seen.
Jim_Cacher
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Yup. I was having this thought about creating a Zelda U info and speculation thread. Unfortunately, as I am quite busy for these few days, and it will surely take a considerable amount of time to compile, so I am not available to take up the mission. I would really appreciate if someone can create one for the sake of future discussion.
HeavyMetalLover91
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Do we know which days are streaming which games yet? Like is it Zelda Day One and then Sun and Moon on Day Two?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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God help us.
They'll last one day each.
Normally I do the Nintendo Conference/Digital Event thread, but there isn't one this year. It's just the Treehouse, which I think either DaBoss or Health did last year. Plus I don't have the week of E3 off this year so I won't have the free time to make the thread and will be at work so I won't even be able to post the thread.
I'll be back next year though.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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They should shock the world and do a 3 minute analysis.
The hell is that supposed to mean?
You are being way too optimistic, look at all this empty space all around Link.
The camera sweeps almost 360 degrees and there is nothing going on in that section of the world, it doesn't matter if they use that space well for fights at some point because exploring it in this state is utterly pointless.
Per the official site--
http://e3.nintendo.com/#section-treehouse
You are being way too optimistic, look at all this empty space all around Link.
The camera sweeps almost 360 degrees and is nothing going on in that section of the world, it doesn't matter if they use that space well for fights at some point because exploring it in this state is utterly pointless.
That's ancient footage at this point, though. And I'll again say there's no harm in having some empty fields if they're intentional and if traversal is fun, and if there's plenty of content regardless.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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You must forget the chats.
Dark Cloud
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Wow that's final footage of the complete game? LolYou are being way too optimistic, look at all this empty space all around Link.
The camera sweeps almost 360 degrees and there is nothing going on in that section of the world, it doesn't matter if they use that space well for fights at some point because exploring it in this state is utterly pointless.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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He's been prematurely awful with everything he's posted about this game.
BTW, I don't think anyone responded to this in the other E3 Zelda thread, so reposting since we're on the subject:
maxcriden said:
Jim_Cacher
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Yeah, I will hold on to the idea of creating the thread. These things can already build a few hundred pages of discussion.
I expect Nintendo manages to build an unique idea in this Zelda game, especially when Aonuma said the following in March
Aonuma said:
ReyVGM
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When Nintendo tackles other genres, they usually apply their own view or twist to it.
When they wanted to make a racing game, they made Fzero and Mario Kart.
When they wanted a fighting game, they made Smash Bros.
When they wanted to make a RTS, they made Pikmin.
When they wanted a 3rd person shooter, they made Splatoon.
Now they want openworld 3D Zelda, so expect it to have their own twist too.
Camarasketch
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You are being way too optimistic, look at all this empty space all around Link.
The camera sweeps almost 360 degrees and there is nothing going on in that section of the world, it doesn't matter if they use that space well for fights at some point because exploring it in this state is utterly pointless.
That is a damn grass field, not a city! What do you expect? A crowded field full of people passing by, buildings, monsters and all kinds of stuff flying around?? Seriously, I will never get that "empty spaces" hate...Get out of your room and you will see that in the real world there are plenty of "empty space" around...
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yeah, it's not going to be like Skyrim or Fallout, it's not even going to be like X.
It's going to scream Zelda and Nintendo around every corner and in every field.
I do expect it to stand out from the other games in the series though which none did to me before.
In any case, I don't even see the issue with large open fields and pretty vistas. In fact the thing I loved the most about WW was the secluded nature of it all, being out at sea finding little abandoned islands, some untouched and some with signs of previous life lying around and every once in a blue moon you'd come across a strange but eccentric individual. Likewise, I'd imagine a lot of Zelda Wii U will have large open areas with untouched nature and every once in a while you'd see smoke billowing from a little cottage of sorts in the distance and villages bustling with life, as if people are settling in with nature. Doesn't that sound nice? The Zelda over-world is often varied so expect many areas that are totally different, from deserts to snow covered landscapes to volcanic areas. Then you have the dungeons...
I expect many areas to be dense with life and interactions, but it doesn't all have to be that way.
I expect many areas to be dense with life and interactions, but it doesn't all have to be that way.
Bony Manifesto
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So you think Nintendo's ambition is to model the real world with this game? And that it's a good thing?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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They're probably going for a balance of a believable world and a fantasy world.
It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Clearly Nintendo is not modelling the real world though. You want an open world that has no fields? Having content at every inch of the map would make the world feel cluttered.
The "empty space" open world meme is so blown out at this point.
OrbitalBeard
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Very true, which is why I'm excited for this game. If they were actually going to make a traditional open-world game with a Zelda skin, I'd be like "zzzzzzz"
Babymario26
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Excuse me sir you forgot diddy kong racing.
You are being way too optimistic, look at all this empty space all around Link.
The camera sweeps almost 360 degrees and there is nothing going on in that section of the world, it doesn't matter if they use that space well for fights at some point because exploring it in this state is utterly pointless.
I have seen scenes as barren as that one in my Witcher 3 playthrough several times... didn't detract me from enjoying one of the best games of late.
Angry Chair
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You are being way too optimistic, look at all this empty space all around Link.
The camera sweeps almost 360 degrees and there is nothing going on in that section of the world, it doesn't matter if they use that space well for fights at some point because exploring it in this state is utterly pointless.
Please stop with this argument. Zelda is an adventure game, not a fucking platformer.
Skittzo0413
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You are being way too optimistic, look at all this empty space all around Link.
The camera sweeps almost 360 degrees and there is nothing going on in that section of the world, it doesn't matter if they use that space well for fights at some point because exploring it in this state is utterly pointless.
I think you're letting your fears color your perceptions of this game. The area we can definitively see in this gif may look pretty large at first, but watch carefully as the horse (I'm not calling her Epona damnit) runs in to its rest spot and see how fast it moves. The areas we can see on this screen likely takes a maximum of 10 or 15 seconds to fully traverse, which is perfectly fine and acceptable for an empty field. Nothing about this gif makes me think the entire world will be empty like this relatively small section of field is. And again, some empty fields is not a bad thing as long as it's not a chore to get through.
I think you're technically correct about that, as far as Wind Waker is concerned anyway- we can't know if SS's sky will be bigger than this game at this point. But with Wind Waker the ocean was semi-infinitely large if I remember correctly, because at times it would lengthen the path to the next "grid" in order to load that area properly.
But I think when we talk about world size we're mostly talking about unique traversable landmass, rather than a flat, monotonous ocean or a spread out sky. But yeah I think you're technically correct that WW will end up with the largest game world in a Zelda game.
crooked spin
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That gif only looks barren because all the points of interest are hidden and the fun is exploring and finding them. 
Based on that poster's previous posts in this thread I think his ideal Zelda game is Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker with Link.
Based on that poster's previous posts in this thread I think his ideal Zelda game is Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker with Link.
You are being way too optimistic, look at all this empty space all around Link.
The camera sweeps almost 360 degrees and there is nothing going on in that section of the world, it doesn't matter if they use that space well for fights at some point because exploring it in this state is utterly pointless.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that having large grassy fields in that beautiful and atmospheric landscape is completely ridiculous. Totally unrealistic.
Also, all the islands in Wind Waker should have been touching each other so you could walk between them.
Off topic: Every planet in No Man's Sky should be directly accessible through the Main Menu screen when you first start the game.
Etc.
lol
DecoReturns
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Judging a game on a 5 second gif.
Do some of you just hope this game will suck?
Do some of you just hope this game will suck?
LordOcidax
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You can recreate that same scene in Witcher 3 and obtain the same result, that doesn't mean nothing....
Bony Manifesto
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Honestly, I wouldn't miss the boring overworld traversal from Zelda games. I didn't like traversing the sea in Wind Waker, I didn't like traversing the multiple bare Hyrule Field segments in Twilight Princess, and I didn't like flying on the bird thing in Skyward Sword. They don't add anything at all to the game for me; they're the medicine I have to swallow in order to get to the good bits of Zelda games.
Though, they could very easily please me by having a decent fast-travel system - no special items, no limited destinations, no minigames, no unskippable animation sequences. Sorted. Everyone's happy.
Blackquill
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So i heard from some French journalists that the demo will be huge, like really huge, is that true ?
crooked spin
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All we know is that Nintendo asked journalists to schedule 90 minute sessions to see/play the demo.
Skittzo0413
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Here's a question for you then. If Aonuma's "open world twist" is related to those giant boss monsters showing up in the wild, would that make traversal more fun for you? Maybe there are always signs that something may show up... you feel the earth quake as you're riding and you know something is about to burrow out of the ground or you see a huge shadow begin to cover you and a giant bird is about to swoop down and attack you.
And these events can permanently change the game world- if you're traveling across a bridge over lake Hyrule and a giant lake monster pops up, threatening to destroy the bridge, does that not add a lot of strategy and gameplay to simple traversal? Is that something which would make traversal a lot more palatable to you?
I think that's essentially what Aonuma was trying to get across when discussing that 2014 trailer... and I think it would make empty fields and areas feel more useful and natural- if a giant monster can permanently destroy things in the world you'd want to draw it out to open areas, right?
Steve McQueen
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The game must be awesome. Seems risky to concentrate on Zelda, but I guess it's all part of a bigger plan.
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