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Most likely we'll see foldable screen tech get used in a way that lets handheld gaming devices return to being clamshell or clamshell-like, and thus more pocketable. I imagine something like the newer Razr phones

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But with controls somehow tucked away inside. It's hard to say, people's obsession with screen size on these devices seems to be limitless, even folding something the size of the Switch 2 in half would make it more portable, but still quite large.
Agreed, but then, I'm part of the problem.

I like the idea of a folding screen, but in practice they're too expensive and to fragile for Nintendo to go for... maybe in an LL revision aimed at senior adults playing brain age, but even then. Plus, in my experience there's always a subtle crease at the bend point, which I hate.

There's a limit on screen size for sure. Even elbow room starts to be a problem when you're playing something as wise as a Steam Deck on a plane. The only workaround I can think of is to start shipping with visor glasses--not full VR, just a display--but I have no idea how expensive those are to manufacture.
 
Tonight is the start of my work week...Will be working every night until the night Switch 2 is released, and god is it gonna feel like a long 5 days cuz of that.

I really wish Best Buy would send out some kind of notification on how their late night release is going down. Just want some confirmation that the store will be open. Damn reddit users making me not trust the official site, especially when the best buy im going to is a one of the slightly smaller stores. It was listed on the site for midnight launch, but reddit claims that when they asked stores on the list, the employees still claimed they weren't doing a midnight.
 
Most likely we'll see foldable screen tech get used in a way that lets handheld gaming devices return to being clamshell or clamshell-like, and thus more pocketable. I imagine something like the newer Razr phones

retmjwe770wtezgmrhsckj4solymxc733240.png


But with controls somehow tucked away inside. It's hard to say, people's obsession with screen size on these devices seems to be limitless, even folding something the size of the Switch 2 in half would make it more portable, but still quite large.
Agreed, but then, I'm part of the problem.

I like the idea of a folding screen, but in practice they're too expensive and to fragile for Nintendo to go for... maybe in an LL revision aimed at senior adults playing brain age, but even then. Plus, in my experience there's always a subtle crease at the bend point, which I hate.

There's a limit on screen size for sure. Even elbow room starts to be a problem when you're playing something as wise as a Steam Deck on a plane. The only workaround I can think of is to start shipping with visor glasses--not full VR, just a display--but I have no idea how expensive those are to manufacture.
 
Most likely we'll see foldable screen tech get used in a way that lets handheld gaming devices return to being clamshell or clamshell-like, and thus more pocketable. I imagine something like the newer Razr phones

retmjwe770wtezgmrhsckj4solymxc733240.png


But with controls somehow tucked away inside. It's hard to say, people's obsession with screen size on these devices seems to be limitless, even folding something the size of the Switch 2 in half would make it more portable, but still quite large.
Agreed, but then, I'm part of the problem.

I like the idea of a folding screen, but in practice they're too expensive and to fragile for Nintendo to go for... maybe in an LL revision aimed at senior adults playing brain age, but even then. Plus, in my experience there's always a subtle crease at the bend point, which I hate.

There's a limit on screen size for sure. Even elbow room starts to be a problem when you're playing something as wise as a Steam Deck on a plane. The only workaround I can think of is to start shipping with visor glasses--not full VR, just a display--but I have no idea how expensive those are to manufacture.
 
The paywall is $10 or get NSO + expan. It's worth it if you are revisiting those games.
I don't understand why I have to pay extra for better performance and better graphics (higher resolution, HDR) at all, when I have given them my money to buy Switch 2. An emulator can do that, it's not like they are providing new assets or something. It's just using the system's power that is already there.
 
I don't understand why I have to pay extra for better performance and better graphics (higher resolution, HDR) at all, when I have given them my money to buy Switch 2. An emulator can do that, it's not like they are providing new assets or something. It's just using the system's power that is already there.
that isn't how it works. it isn't like the game all of a sudden looks better and runs faster because it is on new hardware. it does take labor to get it there.

I'd imagine they need to re-render assets at higher resolution where developers may need to tweak or re-export textures and models. adding HDR support requires manual adjusting of lighting, color grading, etc. optimization often requires tweaking memory management. etc.

you seem to think that the game just automatically looks how it does in the Switch 2 trailers because it is on faster hardware and doesn't require any human work, and they are gatekeeping it at $10

don't think that's how it works
 
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I don't understand why I have to pay extra for better performance and better graphics (higher resolution, HDR) at all, when I have given them my money to buy Switch 2. An emulator can do that, it's not like they are providing new assets or something. It's just using the system's power that is already there.

R&D isn't free.
 
I don't understand why I have to pay extra for better performance and better graphics (higher resolution, HDR) at all, when I have given them my money to buy Switch 2. An emulator can do that, it's not like they are providing new assets or something. It's just using the system's power that is already there.
Sony does the same thing with their uprez's of games from PS4 -> PS5. 10$. At least with Nintendo they are giving it for free with their +tier online sub.
 
that isn't how it works. it isn't like the game all of a sudden looks better and runs faster because it is on new hardware. it does take labor to get it there.

I'd imagine they need to re-render assets at higher resolution where developers may need to tweak or re-export textures and models. adding HDR support requires manual adjusting of lighting, color grading, etc. optimization often requires tweaking memory management. etc.

you seem to think that the game just automatically looks how it does in the Switch 2 trailers because it is on faster hardware and doesn't require any human work, and they are gatekeeping it at $10

don't think that's how it works
I know that it "takes labor to get there". I am not retarded. What I am saying is that this is Nintendo's next console, they have BC and they're charging 470€ for it. Other games provide better performance and better resolution for free. Why are they making me pay extra for the Zelda games? (That's a rhetorical question).
I don't think it is unreasonable for me to expect that this shit should be free and a "feature" of buying a newer, more powerful system.

R&D isn't free.
R&D on old games that have already been out for quite a while?
 
I don't think it is unreasonable for me to expect that this shit should be free and a "feature" of buying a newer, more powerful system.
I think its unreasonable when precedent (Sony) doesn't support your expectations, and Nintendo is always looking to make money

knowing Nintendo, it is totally unreasonable to think they'd ditch a money making opportunity that even Sony takes advantage of
 
that isn't how it works. it isn't like the game all of a sudden looks better and runs faster because it is on new hardware. it does take labor to get it there.

I'd imagine they need to re-render assets at higher resolution where developers may need to tweak or re-export textures and models. adding HDR support requires manual adjusting of lighting, color grading, etc. optimization often requires tweaking memory management. etc.

you seem to think that the game just automatically looks how it does in the Switch 2 trailers because it is on faster hardware and doesn't require any human work, and they are gatekeeping it at $10

don't think that's how it works
I understand, but Nintendo's approach for Switch 2 stands in stark contrast to Sony and Microsoft. Sony offered free next-gen upgrades for numerous PS4 games on PS5 via a simple patch, and Xbox boasts Smart Delivery, getting the best available version of a game at no extra cost.
 
I think its unreasonable when precedent (Sony) doesn't support your expectations, and Nintendo is always looking to make money

knowing Nintendo, it is totally unreasonable to think they'd ditch a money making opportunity that even Sony takes advantage of
From their perspective, you are absolutely right. I would probably charge even more. From my perspective as a consumer, the only thing I can do is not give them money for that (which I won't). And maintain my opinion that this practice is a fucking rip-off.
 
I understand, but Nintendo's approach for Switch 2 stands in stark contrast to Sony and Microsoft. Sony offered free next-gen upgrades for numerous PS4 games on PS5 via a simple patch, and Xbox boasts Smart Delivery, getting the best available version of a game at no extra cost.
I agree xbox has a better model but if you mention xbox around this forum people automatically dismiss anything they do and instead point at the fact that xbox is "dead" due to their "terrible decisions"

this forum acts like xbox doesn't even exist anymore tbh
 
to be clear, I think Nintendo could easily offer free upgrades

I'm just highlighting that I would be SHOCKED if they ever did that, because as a corp they seem incredibly greedy

that's why none of this surprised me. I'm just willing to pay the Nintendo tax because I love some of their exclusives a lot
 
Other games provide better performance and better resolution for free. Why are they making me pay extra for the Zelda games? (That's a rhetorical question).
They are offering the Zelda upgrades for FREE WITH NSO+. There are also added features to these games, unlike other remasters. If you are getting MKW and S2, you might as well get NSO+ so you can play online too. It's not perfect deal, but better than some of Sony's. Nintendo will have completely free w/o NSO upgrades to games like SM Odyssey, Link's Awakening, and Echoes of Wisdom. So, there's that too.
 
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to be clear, I think Nintendo could easily offer free upgrades

I'm just highlighting that I would be SHOCKED if they ever did that, because as a corp they seem incredibly greedy

that's why none of this surprised me. I'm just willing to pay the Nintendo tax because I love some of their exclusives a lot
I might be missing some context from the conversation, but Nintendo is offering some free upgrades:

 
They are offering the Zelda upgrades for FREE WITH NSO+. There are also added features to these games, unlike other remasters. If you are getting MKW and S2, you might as well get NSO+ so you can play online too. It's not perfect deal, but better than some of Sony's. Nintendo will have completely free w/o NSO upgrades to games like SM Odyssey, Link's Awakening, and Echoes of Wisdom. So, there's that too.
Having to pay NSO+ is not "for free".
 
From their perspective, you are absolutely right. I would probably charge even more. From my perspective as a consumer, the only thing I can do is not give them money for that (which I won't). And maintain my opinion that this practice is a fucking rip-off.
Whatever you say grandpa.
 
For me the Switch 2 upgrade for Kirby The Forgotten Land absolutely worth the extra $10 since they are adding very substantial content to the game.
 
After trading in my XSX and original Switch with a dying fan I pretty much broke even on the bundle and Bananza. Going to finally get around to playing Age of Calamity as well.
 
I understand, but Nintendo's approach for Switch 2 stands in stark contrast to Sony and Microsoft. Sony offered free next-gen upgrades for numerous PS4 games on PS5 via a simple patch, and Xbox boasts Smart Delivery, getting the best available version of a game at no extra cost.
Nintendo does too, they're charging if the game have extra features others than just improved graphics and performance. In the case of Zelda, they made a stupid app to hear "Zelda notes" and other additions to them.
 
Nintendo does too, they're charging if the game have extra features others than just improved graphics and performance. In the case of Zelda, they made a stupid app to hear "Zelda notes" and other additions to them.
It seems like a missed opportunity, not adding a master mode. Obviously not the same master mode they did in BOTW because that was shit, but I think they were on to something with master mode/new difficulty setting for after you beat game

They implemented it poorly in BOTW and seem to have abandoned in TOTK

Was really hoping that would be something they add with the switch 2 version, as long as it was done better than it was in BOTW
 
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It seems like a missed opportunity, not adding a master mode. Obviously not the same master mode they did in BOTW because that was shit, but I think they were on to something with master mode/new difficulty setting for after you beat game

They implemented it poorly in BOTW and seem to have abandoned in TOTK

Was really hoping that would be something they add with the switch 2 version, as long as it was done better than it was in BOTW
Often, I think Nintendo misses these obvious opportunities that the competition does because they want to do it differently. Can we get achievements already, please? For new features, Nintendo seems to want to be first or not at all. They'd rather try something new than go with what the competition has already done that works.
 
Since we're discussing this again, as far as I can tell, Nintendo has a four tier system for Switch 1 game improvements:

1. Games with uncapped framerates and/or dynamic resolution should run/look modestly better out of the box with no patch and no additional charge. So, to build on the earlier discussion, Breath of the Wild should, in theory, stop dropping frames in the Lost Woods, even if you don't download the Switch 2 Edition upgrade, but it won't suddenly be running at 4k/60.

2. Some games are receiving free patches. These patches generally add Switch 2 exclusive functionality (like GameShare, HDR, or mouse support) and/or optimize the game's visuals and performance to make the most of the hardware.

3. Other games have a $10 upgrade fee. These games seem to have substantial visual improvements over the Switch 1 versions (and some, like Metroid Prime 4 seem to have entirely new textures) and possibly some minor additional content (like the smart phone features in the Zelda games).

4. Finally, some games have a $20 upgrade fee, and those games come with what basically amount to DLC packs in addition to visual improvements. Kirby comes with an additional campaign and Mario Party comes with multiple new modes designed around the Switch 2.
 
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Often, I think Nintendo misses these obvious opportunities that the competition does because they want to do it differently. Can we get achievements already, please? For new features, Nintendo seems to want to be first or not at all. They'd rather try something new than go with what the competition has already done that works.

Nintendo seems to be more geared towards the general masses that are more casual gamers. I don't think that they care about things like achievements. I have been a gamer since the NES days. I own lots of games, but I couldn't care less about achievements. They mean absolutely nothing to me. I assume that Nintendo thinks its broader audience feels this way. I just think that they try to appeal to their largest audience and try not to neglect more hardcore gamers completely.
 
Nintendo seems to be more geared towards the general masses that are more casual gamers. I don't think that they care about things like achievements. I have been a gamer since the NES days. I own lots of games, but I couldn't care less about achievements. They mean absolutely nothing to me. I assume that Nintendo thinks its broader audience feels this way. I just think that they try to appeal to their largest audience and try not to neglect more hardcore gamers completely.
Same. Funny enough I was mostly a Nintendo kid growing up, but I don't know if that's why I don't give a shit about achievements 🤷

I've never in my entire life attempted to accomplish a single achievement. I just completely ignore them.

I know a lot of people really care about them though.
 
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Since we're discussing this again, as far as I can tell, Nintendo has a four tier system for Switch 1 game improvements:

1. Games with uncapped framerates and/or dynamic resolution should run/look modestly better out of the box with no patch and no additional charge. So, to build on the earlier discussion, Breath of the Wild should, in theory, stop dropping frames in the Lost Woods, even if you don't download the Switch 2 Edition upgrade, but it won't suddenly be running at 4k/60.

2. Some games are receiving free patches. These patches generally add Switch 2 exclusive functionality (like GameShare, HDR, or mouse support) and/or optimize the game's visuals and performance to make the most of the hardware.

3. Other games have a $10 upgrade fee. These games seem to have substantial visual improvements over the Switch 1 versions (and some, like Metroid Prime 4 seem to have entirely new textures) and possibly some minor additional content (like the smart phone features in the Zelda games).

4. Finally, some games have a $20 upgrade fee, and those games come with what basically amount to DLC packs in addition to visual improvements. Kirby comes with an additional campaign and Mario Party comes with multiple new modes designed around the Switch 2.
And 3. and 4. upgrades are bundled with NSO+Expan if you have the original S1 games, correct?
 
Nintendo seems to be more geared towards the general masses that are more casual gamers. I don't think that they care about things like achievements. I have been a gamer since the NES days. I own lots of games, but I couldn't care less about achievements. They mean absolutely nothing to me. I assume that Nintendo thinks its broader audience feels this way. I just think that they try to appeal to their largest audience and try not to neglect more hardcore gamers completely.
Also started on the NES in 1990 and for whatever reason, I would like achievements. Not a deal breaker or anything, but I'd be more motivated to 100% something like SM Wonder if they had a way to show it off out of game in the OS.
 
Also started on the NES in 1990 and for whatever reason, I would like achievements. Not a deal breaker or anything, but I'd be more motivated to 100% something like SM Wonder if they had a way to show it off out of game in the OS.

I'm not saying that I represent the majority view on achievements. I do think that most casual gamers don't care about specific achievements or 100% complete a game. I believe this is Nintendo's view on it and why they don't care to include it. I don't think it has anything to do with wanting to be different than the competition. I believe that Nintendo has stayed consistent in their approach to making games that are accessible, innovative, and fun with older technology that appeals to a wide audience. I think 3rd parties mostly catered to hardcore gamers back in the earlier Nintendo consoles. The industry shifted with PlayStation but Nintendo never did. They are very consistent in their philosophy. That is good and bad.
 
I hope next time Sony launches a new system we're able to go into that official thread and be absolute steaming piles of 💩.
jurassic park deal with it GIF
 
I can live without a Switch 2 at launch, but if I don't get my direct purchase invite email in time for DK Bananza, I'll shit my pants. >=|
 
I can put my Switch in my back pocket. No lie. It will stick out but it goes in comfortably and doesn't feel like a brick in my pocket.
 
I'm excited. I've never bought any system at launch... until now. I have a Nintendo store preorder with overnight shipping, so hopefully it's delivered on Friday. Already have a case and screen protector, and assuming they pack everything together I'll have a Pro controller, Gamecube controller, and SD card come along with the console.

Are you all buying screen protectors? I'm not familiar with what kind of material the screen is made out of

My switch 1 had it but idk if it was even necessary

The screen is made of glass, like the SWOLED and unlike the Switch which had a plastic screen that would get easily scratched over time, especially with the dock. It's probably unnecessary on Switch 2, but it's cheap and the AmFilm ones are very good in my experience. Can't go wrong with a pack of those.

Definitely. It's a must-have. I usually go for amFilm tempered glass, but anything is better than nothing.

I ordered this for mine for $9...

and these for my boys' units for $5.40...

Never tried this type with the pre-mounted protector. Usually I go for the type with the alignment frame.

Exact same situation, never used the one with the tabs but that's the one I purchased. I normally get the 3 pack and am just very careful.
 
Sorry for quoting my previous post boys but I need some help :
Quick question boys :
I'm about to create a Nintendo account and I was wondering whether the country of residence you're gonna use during the creation has anything to do with game availability, eShop pricing etc...
My PS5 account for example is Greek and the PSN storefront is obviously Greek - whenever I had a problem though with my account/funds etc PS Italy customer support (which I reside ATM) would always redirect me to PS Greece since, again, the account is Greek.
Having said that, using a Greek account has its benefits/perks since I can usually grab 50€ wallet fund cards for 39.99 on online shops - is it the same thing with Nintendo ?

Also : was gonna order it from Amazon but...they're out of stock atm (they were still available yesterday ffs), is the Nintendo shop ok or shall i get it from somewhere else ?
You can't beat Amazon's refund policies and that's why I usually shop from them but unfortunately they ran out of stock.

Thanks

PS : Nickname and online ID can only be 10 characters long ? Wtf man 😁
 
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