No, I'm serious. It was kinda creepy when I first found out.Signs of the apocalypse
No, I'm serious. It was kinda creepy when I first found out.Signs of the apocalypse
Um it is doing better then every console except the Wii which shattered records....Sorry that I think the market leader should be doing better than the third placer last gen. Clearly my expectations are far too high. 150k is great is what I meant to say. Sony should not do anything at all.
Not specifically aimed at you, but general WiiU observation about what the NX might mean and what E3 might tell us about Nintendos future plans.
- NX is almost certainly a handheld platform of some sort. Whether longterm that means its first iteration is handheld and they are moving to a single account / hybrid system remains to be seen.
My best guess is a "third pillar" device, 7" tablet form factor, digital only (no disk or cartridge slots).
- NX is likely to debutat spaceworldin a Nintendo direct next year (possibly an E3 direct) for release next holiday WW.
- Given a platform launch is a major logistical undertaking, that puts the timeline for a home console WiiU succesor at 2017 at the earliest.
Here's where things get interesting.
- if E3 has nothing new for the WiiU, just gameplay and release dates for already known titles we know they've fully wound down on the WiiU. Would they have a console on the market for a year with no software support while waiting for the next one?
Sure.
They've done it before.
- If E3 shows the WiiU is still being actively developed for and new titles are announced - new non-eshop titles it means the WiiU is considered still a viable and profitable platform internally.
My supposition would then be that NX is actually already here, and WiiU is its first (relatively unsuccessful) iteration. Because the NX will run all WiiU titles and use all current WiiU account data, and it is worth continuing to support the WiiU, because every title developed now equates to a potential NX launch title.
At some point over the next 12 months the WiiU will get a firmware update that migrates NNIDs over to the new DeNA account system.
I mean, to me, 136k is not "a bomb" or whatever, but is it really much more than that? I understand all your confounding factors-- new IP, essentially comatose platform-- but you also have some important counterweights. First of all, the audience buying games on the WiiU is incredibly hardcore, as evidenced by Nintendo's core software sales across the platform this year and last year. Second, there was a very significant advertising push. The 136k sounded familiar to me and I couldn't place where. Then I remembered-- that's 3Kish worse than Heavenly Sword did in September 2007 when the PS3 was essentially a zombie. I don't think that got nearly the same caveats when people were talking about its US performance. You've also got digital, so there's that, but there are also more Wii Us than there were PS3s in year 1 so I'll just consider that even.
I think it's not a catastrophic number. It's not a Wonderful 101 number. But I don't really think it's a good number or an impressive number (I'm surprised CosmicQueso said that). Given Nintendo's strength on the platform, it's basically what you'd require of the title for it to not be considered destined for B-tier Nintendo IP land.
Now there's a slow month.......ONE slow month......and welp, it's dead Jim.
360 had numerous months at 150 and it dominated the US. People are overreacting. Where were these posts in Feb and march?
NX is a platform--like windows, ios, and android. Wiiu is not part of that platform because of the oddball ppc innards. Wiiu games will probably have full price NX versions, but that != wiiu being NX.
Sorry that I think the market leader should be doing better than the third placer last gen. Clearly my expectations are far too high. 150k is great is what I meant to say. Sony should not do anything at all.
I don't think the Heavenly Sword comparison works here like, at all. That had roughly two and a half weeks of tracking as opposed to Splatoon which only had two days of tracking. If the head of Nintendo Canada is to be believed, they said they consider the current results to be "extraordinary" which is about the most direct statement we can have on how they're factoring the current performance. There's not really two ways around this one.
Nintendo games aren't particularly frontloaded, especially when you consider the (anecdotal admittedly) statements that many people would buy the game after more content rolls in. The legs should show pretty decently this month..
Yeah my bad I am looking at overall sales not just US that's my bad. Any slowdown in the US this gen is being made up in other territories. But I still think it is too early to say contraction. We are only starting to get current gen only games. People will jump when they no longer have a choice and the prices will dropBetween launch and march 2013 Xbox 360 had 1 month in the 150k range. All others were better, and the market leader during most of this period was Wii, not 360.
But is not the case to analyze only one month, PS4 YTD 2015 is virtually tie with PS3 in 2008 for example. For the market leader it's not a good place to be.
I don't think Sony will cut PS4's price until there is an underwhelming month when there is a big game out (The Witcher 3 is not really a system seller). They're more focused on profitability and the sales of HW and SW are decent still. There's no reason to panic yet.
The problem is people phrasing this in terms of:
PS4 + XB1 versus PS3 + 360 last gen, which is ridiculous.
Even if you accept the ludicrous claim that all Wii sales last gen should be excluded because reasons, what you should be comparing is:
[GC+PS2+XB+PS3+X360] versus [PS3+X360+WiiU+PS4+XBone]
because that represents the market.
jesus christ that graph doesnt represent the wii, it represents sustained sales versus burst.
MrN said:- NX is almost certainly a handheld platform of some sort. Whether longterm that means its first iteration is handheld and they are moving to a single account / hybrid system remains to be seen.
My best guess is a "third pillar" device, 7" tablet form factor, digital only (no disk or cartridge slots).
I don't think Sony will cut PS4's price until there is an underwhelming month when there is a big game out (The Witcher 3 is not really a system seller). They're more focused on profitability and the sales of HW and SW are decent still. There's no reason to panic yet.
Horrible hardware numbers. PS4 needs a price drop and the WiiU needs to get taken behind the shed. XB1 needs to go buy a lot more 3rd party exclusives.
So dead on arrival, then? No way a dedicated handheld like this succeeds.
No, I'm serious. It was kinda creepy when I first found out.
June should be a big month for ps4.So in June we have this for PS4:
- 2/3 weeks of PS4 TLOU + Handsome Jack Collection (Amazon) (Still Going)
- 1 week Best Buy Trade-in deal for PS4
- 1 week GameStop Free 1 year PS Plus with PS4 Purchase deal
- (All Retailers) Arkham Knight Limited Edition Bundles
- (All Retailers) Regular Black Arkham PS4 Bundles
Games:
- LEGO Jurassic World
- Payday 2: Crimewave Edition
- Devil May Cry 4: Special Edition
- Arkham Knight
- Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward
- J-Stars Victory Vs+
- Legend of Kay Anniversary
- Onechanbara Z2: Chaos
E3 PS4 Price Cut & 1TB PS4?
I didn't understand that referenceioi runs NPD now.
I didn't understand that reference
But I will say that the Illuminati runs NPD now.
Nice strawman. Find the quote where I said the PS4 is dead. I'll wait.
I can't explain again what happened in the second part of 360's life that made it sell better than the first half, and that is an highly unusual phenomenon, that can be repeated that easily, alongisde its looong lifespan. Someone else, do it for me. ZhugeEX, I summon you to do it! Vena, you instead post that damn Wii U Only All-Time eShop Chart, for splatting reasons. That's my command.
Price drop doesn't have to mean that you make less money. Usually price drops are done to make more money (increased hw sales, sw sales and PS+ subscriptions). There will be price drop this fall.
Bad numbers all around. Bad hardware sales even for the leaders, bad software sales, bad sales for games like Splatoon.
I do agree that people shouldn't rush to judgement about the PS4's sales, however. Last year people tended to be doom and gloom during these summer months (And the sales were bad, no question about it), but then disappeared in to the ether when November and December weren't just good months, but so good that they made up for the slow summer months and then some. Let's not repeat that cycle.
It doesn't mean you can't ever cry doom and gloom, mind you; you'll just need a longer streak than a few summer months. If we go through 6 months here, all the way through Christmas, and sales are still down, then yes, then you can reasonably be a doomsayer. I don't think that's likely to happen, though.
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Quietly followed quite some NPD topics, but the last months got more and more boring.
Totally ready for the $299 PS4 announcement. I would bet on it if there wasn't Europe and PS4 selling like hotcakes there.
Ah, ok. Thanks. Didn't know that.ioi runs chartzzzzzzz.
I dont see any price drop happening until Q3 personally.
Splatoon is currently #1 on the recent US charts (still ahead of the all the Humble games) and #15 on the all-time US charts (minus VC). The highest Humble title in the all-time charts is Guacamelee at #18.And again, we need the most updated Wii U only All-Time US Chart to be posted to understand if Splatoon really sold that well on eShop. We just have that it was higher than all Humble Bundle games on June 3rd already...which could actually be an indication of sorts. You see, current eShop charts count the sales for each title for the latest two weeks. So, for example, if Splatoon was the best selling title on the eShop on June 3rd, it doesn't mean it's just selling better than what the other titles are doing now, but that its sales are better than what those titles sold between May 20th and June 3rd, so that would take account of all Humble Bundle sales (or at least, all the codes being used) up to June 3rd. Still, we definitely need to see the All-Time Charts to get a confirmation on this matter.
Ah, ok. Thanks. Didn't know that.
sörine;167491163 said:Splatoon is currently #1 on the recent US charts (still ahead of the all the Humble games) and #15 on the all-time US charts (minus VC). The highest Humble title in the all-time charts is Guacamelee at #18.
I probably shouldn't have said the 82k figure earlier though since it (1) represents all of the Americas for the Humble Bundle, not just US and (2) Splatoon digital sales started before 2 weeks ago with the preload option. Still it seems to have sold exceptionally well digitally, with a higher ratio than we normally see given the chart positions and known numbers involved.
Overall:
Overall retail sales are down 13% year over year.
Hardware sales were down 18% year over year.
Retail software sales were down 25% year over year.
sörine;167491163 said:Splatoon is currently #1 on the recent US charts (still ahead of the all the Humble games) and #15 on the all-time US charts (minus VC). The highest Humble title in the all-time charts is Guacamelee at #18.
I probably shouldn't have said the 82k figure earlier though since it (1) represents all of the Americas for the Humble Bundle, not just US and (2) Splatoon digital sales started before 2 weeks ago with the preload option. Still it seems to have sold exceptionally well digitally, with a higher ratio than we normally see given the chart positions and known numbers involved.
I'm not sure if the software sales are a significant issue considering the growth in digital sales, but that hardware sales trend... wow. 18% is a lot. Can anybody post hardware sales % changes YoY for the last couple of months? Was May just a bad month or is this a more or less solid trend?
Comparing months is futile..last may had watchdogs and several other titles. If it continues then yes it is worrying but for 1 to 2 months it's just fluctuation.I'm not sure if the software sales are a significant issue considering the growth in digital sales, but that hardware sales trend... wow. 18% is a lot. Can anybody post hardware sales % changes YoY for the last couple of months? Was May just a bad month or is this a more or less solid trend?
Bad numbers all around. Bad hardware sales even for the leaders, bad software sales, bad sales for games like Splatoon.
I do agree that people shouldn't rush to judgement about the PS4's sales, however. Last year people tended to be doom and gloom during these summer months (And the sales were bad, no question about it), but then disappeared in to the ether when November and December weren't just good months, but so good that they made up for the slow summer months and then some. Let's not repeat that cycle.
It doesn't mean you can't ever cry doom and gloom, mind you; you'll just need a longer streak than a couple summer months. If we go through 6 months here, all the way through Christmas, and sales are still consistently down, then yes, then you can reasonably be a doomsayer. I don't think that's likely to happen, though.
The dude used to post on GAF. He got banned for posting made up/artificially created sales figures.
Agreed. Last holiday season was nuts.
Lol really? Haha that's too funny.And then he built an entire website based on it.
You kinda have to admire the tenacity, sort of.