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[comedy bomb]

I thought sequels weren't important.

It doesn't have a number in the title so it doesn't count ;p

 

[yoopoo]

That doesn't seem too far off.

From what I've heard recently, Killzone 2 will be THE system seller...it has exploding concrete.

So watch out, 09 will be the year.

 

[MiiMarioMii]

:lol I love how everyone seems to think I loves sales now, and everthing about them. Good call... only my first npd to partake in, and only do so for balance reasons: far too many trolls on the dark side (360, PS3).

 

[TheExodu5]

If it appealed to casuals, then why did it only sell 200K?

Because casuals don't buy games with no advertisement within 2 days of release.

 

[llTll]

This reply actually sounds bitter. Wii only owners have just as many games to look forward to as HD fanboys do. You also have to know that sales do matter. When you like the games that are made for your console you hope it sells well so more games are made for it.

Anyone who thinks that Wii owners only have sales to look forward too is just a misguided bitter HD fanboy.

excuse me ? Wii has many good games as HD fanboys do ????????



dont make me laugh man. and no. its not a matter of tastes. i have all Systems and honestly. Wii is the only system i dont play. aside from the games we had 6 months ago like mario and others, There is NOTHING on Wii. unless u count Wii Music :lol

That doesn't seem too far off.

From what I've heard recently, Killzone 2 will be THE system seller...it has exploding concrete.

So watch out, 09 will be the year.

PS3 doesnt need a system seller. they already have games. PS3 and 360 are just like 1 console. same multiplatform games + exclusive first and second party games.

the only thing the PS3 need is at least 100$ price cut.

400$ is the price the xbox 360 was released. and that doesnt didnt do good for MS.

Xbox 360 is half the price the ps3. and it only managed to double the sales of the PS3 "even tho Sony was beating them on monthly bases this year before the price cut "

 

[Ulairi]

That doesn't seem too far off.

From what I've heard recently, Killzone 2 will be THE system seller...it has exploding concrete.

So watch out, 09 will be the year.

I thought 2008 was the year? MGS4, LBP, R2?

But, I see, NEXT year is the year.

 

[Psychotext]

This thread is getting vicious! :O

 

[farnham]

That doesn't seem too far off.

From what I've heard recently, Killzone 2 will be THE system seller...it has exploding concrete.

So watch out, 09 will be the year.

2009 is the year of the PS3.. like 2008 and 2007 and 2006

excuse me ? Wii has many good games as HD fanboys do ????????



dont make me laugh man. and no. its not a matter of tastes. i have all Systems and honestly. Wii is the only system i dont play. aside from the games we had 6 months ago like mario and others, There is NOTHING on Wii. unless u count Wii Music :lol

obviously it is.. because i have wii and 360 and i play a lot more with my wii.. its all a matter of taste..

 

[EmCeeGramr]

This thread is getting vicious! :O

If this thread was a GameStop, there'd be about 200 magazine racks on the floor.

 

[ZeoVGM]

What are you disagreeing with exactly? The economy or that price is one of the reasons the PS3 isn't selling?

If at this point, you think the price is a big reason for the PS3 not selling, you're out of your mind.

 

[soldat7]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

no seriously why would they play superb games and suddenly change into subpar games (crackdown excluded because that one is good)

People are superficial. They'll see a game with cool graphics and think it's good. I certainly did with Shadows of the Empire so many years ago (not a knock on KZ2 btw).

 

[Randy Lanzarote]

How much do you think it costs to hire Screen Digest to do an 'Independent Report'? I want to commission an investigation into the size of my penis.

 

[MisterHero]

Wii Music wasn't a breakout hit and now the whole industry will pay.

PAAAAYYYY

 

[Pureauthor]

excuse me ? Wii has many good games as HD fanboys do ????????



dont make me laugh man. and no. its not a matter of tastes. i have all Systems and honestly. Wii is the only system i dont play. aside from the games we had 6 months ago like mario and others, There is NOTHING on Wii. unless u count Wii Music :lol

...Of course it's a matter of taste. Repeat after me - O. Pin. Ion.

 

[TheExodu5]

not only the shoulder view.. but many mechanics like the character movement or the context sensitive stuff is very very similar to RE4...

and no.. not many games have done that before..

the cover mechanic is ofcourse gears own achievement... (or kill switch.. but who cares about that)


because like viva pinata its on the wrong platform

Context sensitive actions? Really? Well in that case I'd say Gears is derived from God of War. Har har!

Maybe you're looking for the word "inspiration". I'd say it's definitely inspired from RE4. Derived is just a much more heavy term, meaning the game is pretty much entirely derivative of the RE4 formula, which it is not.

Why the hell am I defending Gears anyways? I don't even like the game. :lol

------------------------

Anyways, software wise, yes this was a great year for PS3. However, it stopped being "year of the PS3" when Microsoft cut the price of the console, and the recession hit. Sony is in a terrible position now...no amount of good software is going to convince parents to buy their kids a $400 PS3 over a $200 360. Hell, if I didn't have any console now, I'd probably consider a 360 over the PS3 just because the price is too damn good. Well, LBP, Valkyria, and Blu-Ray would bring me back to the light, but still the 360 is an incredibly tempting purchase at it's current price point. Of course, I already have my PS3, and no 360 yet, so that decision's already made for me. :lol

 

[Evlar]

In 2009 I will certainly turn on my PS3 and use it for various entertainment purposes.

 

[rhino4evr]

If it appealed to casuals, then why did it only sell 200K?

umm becuase the PS3 console base is ass? Casual gamers are not buying PS3s.. I never said that LBP would make them buy it. I was just responding to the jack ass that called it a "NON GAME". That is a REAL fucking insult if oyu have played it and loved it as much as I have this year.

 

[gregor7777]

If at this point, you think the price is a big reason for the PS3 not selling, you're out of your mind.

I don't know how to read this...you think price isn't the reason the PS3 isn't selling better than it currently is?

There are other reasons of course, but price is a major issue.

One of it's competitors is marketing the hell out of the $199 price point, and the other one is a cultural phenomenon.

If the PS3 was price competitive, at least it would have something to advertise.

 

[Scrubking]

excuse me ? Wii has many good games as HD fanboys do ????????



dont make me laugh man. and no. its not a matter of tastes. i have all Systems and honestly. Wii is the only system i dont play. aside from the games we had 6 months ago like mario and others, There is NOTHING on Wii. unless u count Wii Music :lol

Ah there's nothing like the "I have all the systems so I'm right" argument. Only the "I have a Wii so I can bash it" argument can come close.

 

[MiiMarioMii]

I'll tell you the problem with the PS3, I'll tell you........ ITS A PS3! :lol :lol :lol

 

[yoopoo]

I thought 2008 was the year? MGS4, LBP, R2?

But, I see, NEXT year is the year.

How many PS3 games released in 08 had exploding concrete? Hmm?

Killzone 2....exploding concrete....system seller. How can you deny?

 

[Pureauthor]

umm becuase the PS3 console base is ass? Casual gamers are not buying PS3s.. I never said that LBP would make them buy it. I was just responding to the jack ass that called it a "NON GAME". That is a REAL fucking insult if oyu have played it and loved it as much as I have this year.

How is it really more of an insult than calling [insert title here] a lousy game or a nongame or a kiddy game or whatever?

People like to be snarky. Move on.

 

[farnham]

Context sensitive actions? Really? Well in that case I'd say Gears is derived from God of War. Har har!

Maybe you're looking for the word "inspiration". I'd say it's definitely inspired from RE4. Derived is just a much more heavy term, meaning the game is pretty much entirely derivative of the RE4 formula, which it is not.

Why the hell am I defending Gears anyways? I don't even like the game. :lol

okay then ill say inspired.. anyway gears is not a very original game and that was my whole point..

 

[Evlar]

How many PS3 games released in 08 had exploding concrete? Hmm?

Killzone 2....exploding concrete....system seller. How can you deny?

Megaman 9. Q.E.D.

 

[llTll]

obviously it is.. because i have wii and 360 and i play a lot more with my wii.. its all a matter of taste..

care to tell me honestly what NEW games u bought for Wii the last 4 months ?

 

[mentalfloss]

2009 is the year of the PS3.. like 2008 and 2007 and 2006




obviously it is.. because i have wii and 360 and i play a lot more with my wii.. its all a matter of taste..

According to some other thread, 2009 is the year of the Wii. Of course this is false, though, considering there will only be one deer hunting game next year.

 

[farnham]

People are superficial. They'll see a game with cool graphics and think it's good. I certainly did with Shadows of the Empire so many years ago (not a knock on KZ2 btw).

sure :lol :lol :lol thats why the 360 did worse then the wii with a lower price tag

sure :lol :lol

you are treating anyone that bought a wii like a moron

care to tell me honestly what NEW games u bought for Wii the last 4 months ?

last 4 month would be from july..?

Wii Fit (might be may), Mario KArt (might be may), Okami, De Blob, Samba de Amigo, Boom Blox(not sure if it was may or june), Disaster, Wario Land, Smash Bros PAL (had an US version though.. bought a PAL one because of the constant disc swapping),

same period i bought Ninja Gaiden 2 and Soul Calibur 4, Trusty bell and Assassins creed for the 360.. considered Too Human but the reviews were just too bad.. (fable 2 and gears 2 are on the way)

 

[Krypton Zod]

far too many trolls on the dark side (360, PS3).

Don't worry, you have a dedicated, ban-immune PS3 troll thread for you right here.

 

[MarzipaNMOS]

My point is many people will migrate to the so-called 'hardcore' market. They'll play Mario and Metroid for a while and eventually want to play something like Crackdown and Killzone. They put down Nintendogs and pick up Spore. It's a very natural (and healthy) process.

Of course, some will NOT migrate to the 'hardcore' market. But it's fallacy to think that Sony and MS can't survive an onslaught from this mysterious army of Nintendo warriors-in-training.

Now if Nintendo grows to corner the market ala Blizzard, then we might have a problem with my argument.

the hell? So now SMG and metroid are casual? I've seen everything.

 

[Pureauthor]

I don't know how to read this...you think price isn't the reason the PS3 isn't selling better than it currently is?

There are other reasons of course, but price is a major issue.

One of it's competitors is marketing the hell out of the $199 price point, and the other one is a cultural phenomenon.

If the PS3 was price competitive, at least it would have something to advertise.

Price was the issue when it was first released.

Right now, the problem is of perception. The PS3 is branded a 'loser' console. Price drops for the PS3 will provide temporary boosts, like price drops for all other loser systems in history, but it won't affect the sales overmuch.

 

[Evlar]

care to tell me honestly what NEW games u bought for Wii the last 4 months ?

See... the disconnect here is when he uses the word "play" you respond with the word "buy". I've lent my Wii out to a friend who is currently deep in the worst case of Smash addiction I've ever witnessed. Am I buying games for Wii? No. Is my Wii seeing use? Oh yes.

 

[rhino4evr]

How is it really more of an insult than calling 'insert title here' a lousy game or a nongame or a kiddy game or whatever.

People like to be snarky. Move on.

Calling a game that has some of the most 2D hardcore platforming levels in the last decade a non-game is going much further then being snarky. It's just dead wrong, and totally ignorant.

Here is my "I own all 3 consoles" statement. I do...and despite owning Gears 2 and Fallout 3, Im having a real hard time putting LBP down.


The Wii though..hasn't been turned on since May. Sadly.

 

[llTll]

Ah there's nothing like the "I have all the systems so I'm right" argument. Only the "I have a Wii so I can bash it" argument can come close.

dude you dont kow me. so dont assume shit.

i only bought wii like few months ago because i was able to get it used and for almost 130$ only.


if you dont believe me, check the msg history. you might find something about me owning a Wii.

and the fact remain. i have the system. i dont like it much. no games to play. last thing i played was mario galaxy and mario kart.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Don't worry, you have a dedicated, ban-immune PS3 troll thread for you right here.

Nobody's trolling the PS3 in that thread.

 

[puebla]

One final thought; what really cracks me up about Wii loyalists is their warped 'battle' mentality.

In order to be a Wii fanboy you have to concede entire genres of games. You accept that you will only get shitty, watered down and gimped versions of: sports games, FPS games, music games, RPGs, etc.. and yet, despite the fact that the Wii fails miserably in those genres relative to competitors, Wii owners still make these arguments about being completely satisfied with what they have.

:lol it's funny cuz it's true.

 

[soldat7]

sure :lol :lol :lol thats why the 360 did worse then the wii with a lower price tag

sure :lol :lol

you are treating anyone that bought a wii like a moron

I bought a Wii so that would be self-deprecating.

Nintendo and Microsoft are speaking to different audiences at the moment.

 

[llTll]

See... the disconnect here is when he uses the word "play" you respond with the word "buy". I've lent my Wii out to a friend who is currently deep in the worst case of Smash addiction I've ever witnessed. Am I buying games for Wii? No. Is my Wii seeing use? Oh yes.

i think we are gamers here. if you use the Wii for fitness because you are batman and you dont go out during the sun for walk, that is ur problem. but here we actully buy and play games.

the dude is suggesting there are as many good games on Wii as HD consoles. i asked what are the games he bought the last few months.

 

[rhino4evr]

I should have never entered this thread, every comment is nasty. Think I'll leave now. Enjoy your arguing fanboys.

 

[Krypton Zod]

Nobody's trolling the PS3 in that thread.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[Threi]

I don't even know which games i'd guess have had a 20 mil budget on wii.. if there are none, does that make the tie-ratio is infinite or zero, according to your specifications

that is why nintendo loses HUAHUAHUA HD FOREVA BITCHES

 

[gregor7777]

Price was the issue when it was first released.

Right now, the problem is of perception. The PS3 is branded a 'loser' console. Price drops for the PS3 will provide temporary boosts, like price drops for all other loser systems in history, but it won't affect the sales overmuch.

I disagree, but of course have no proof to back it up.

If the PS3 was in line with the 360 price point (and had been so a significant time period), I think the sales would have been reversed this month.

No doubt it's been branded the loser console, but most of that rep IMO was derived from slow sales due to it's higher price point.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

That thread really bothers you, doesn't it? You've posted your disdain several times there, and now you link to it here.

 

[sixteen-bit]

What a great NPD thread.

Fascinating, the emotional investment in one's console.

 

[TheExodu5]

I don't know how to read this...you think price isn't the reason the PS3 isn't selling better than it currently is?

There are other reasons of course, but price is a major issue.

One of it's competitors is marketing the hell out of the $199 price point, and the other one is a cultural phenomenon.

If the PS3 was price competitive, at least it would have something to advertise.

Price is pretty much the main factor now. Every consumer electronics poll seems to show that the PS3 is more sought after than the 360. Why? The Playstation brand still has a lot of power. I talk to people around my work, and everyone's under the impression that PS3 produces better graphics than the 360 (obviously, it depends on the game, but multiplatform titles have shown the two consoles to be largely equivalent, in favor of the 360). The casuals (sports and licenses game players) are waiting for a drop in price. However, I think many are realizing the 360 is a viable alternative, and moving to that console. The longer Sony goes without a price cut, the more the brand will be losing it's power in favor of the Xbox brand.

I disagree, but of course have no proof to back it up.

If the PS3 was in line with the 360 price point (and had been so a significant time period), I think the sales would have been reversed this month.

No doubt it's been branded the loser console, but most of that rep IMO was derived from slow sales due to it's higher price point.

Bingo. Also, the loser console rep really has only been prominent on gaming forums and such. Mass consumers don't see it that way at all. The Playstation brand has lost much of the hardcore userbase it once had, but there are still tons of people out there that view it as the most desirable console, regardless of the competition. A lot of people are not realizing how much of an effect brand power has.

Sony's in a brutal situation now though. Microsoft has brought out the big guns, and finally reached the casual price point. There's no way in hell Sony can compete with that, partly due to the tanking US dollar, and rising Japanese Yen. Without a major price cut, Sony is going to be behind for quite a while I think. They've lost their chance to catch up in North America.
Bingo.

 

[Grecco]

at least it would have something to advertise.

Ill risk jumping into this again but Sony did advertise the 399.99 price point a couple of months back.

Realistically Sonys problems are much larger, its no longer a "software" issue or a "marketing" issue or a "price" issue. Its a perception issue. Image is everything in gaming. The Gamecube had the image of a kiddy system that sunk its chances. The PSP still really hasnt shaken the image of having "no games" and similarly PS3 has its image issues that it wont be able to shake this time.

Don't worry, you have a dedicated, ban-immune PS3 troll thread for you right here.

Im seriously laughing at how you are still bitter over that.

 

[mentalfloss]

dude you dont kow me. so dont assume shit.

i only bought wii like few months ago because i was able to get it used and for almost 130$ only.


if you dont believe me, check the msg history. you might find something about me owning a Wii.

and the fact remain. i have the system. i dont like it much. no games to play. last thing i played was mario galaxy and mario kart.

What kind of genres of games do you like to play?

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

dude you dont kow me. so dont assume shit.

i only bought wii like few months ago because i was able to get it used and for almost 130$ only.


if you dont believe me, check the msg history. you might find something about me owning a Wii.

and the fact remain. i have the system. i dont like it much. no games to play. last thing i played was mario galaxy and mario kart.

You're right, we can only judge you based on your history here at GAF. By that history, we can see that you not only have a Playstation logo tattood on your ass cheek, you've actually also had a speaker implanted just inside your sphincter so that it makes the PS3 bootup noise when you spread your cheeks.

Wii sucks. PS3 sucks. 360 sucks.

 

[MiiMarioMii]

:lol it's funny cuz it's true.

No the opposite is true. Its funny because it makes the the author seem like a complete bassoon.

 

[Mkliner]

So what did I learn from this thread? Well apparently wii has no games, sucks, and you have to be a fucking idiot to buy it. Your opinion doesn't count because you are a fucking idiot and of course it's the wii fans who have a battle mentality

 

[gregor7777]

Price is pretty much the main factor now. Every consumer electronics poll seems to show that the PS3 is more sought after than the 360. Why? The Playstation brand still has a lot of power. I talk to people around my work, and everyone's under the impression that PS3 produces better graphics than the 360 (obviously, it depends on the game, but multiplatform titles have shown the two consoles to be largely equivalent, in favor of the 360). The casuals (sports and licenses game players) are waiting for a drop in price. However, I think many are realizing the 360 is a viable alternative, and moving to that console. The longer Sony goes without a price cut, the more the brand will be losing it's power in favor of the Xbox brand.

I agree 100%, and have heard the same sorts of things from people at work.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

So what did I learn from this thread? Well apparently wii has no games, sucks, and you have to be a fucking idiot to buy it. Your opinion doesn't count because you are a fucking idiot and of course it's the wii fans who have a battle mentality

This guy sucks, too.