Lucio's right click has a cooldown instead of his shift.
Also, fan already has a longer reload time than his normal reload doesnt it? Not really a cooldown in the strictest sense, but still.
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Lucio's right click has a cooldown instead of his shift.
Also, fan already has a longer reload time than his normal reload doesnt it? Not really a cooldown in the strictest sense, but still.
The Omega Man
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I don't know about that, That Dev is talking exclusively about his flash-bang damage to tanks, don't think FTH or any other mechanic will be touched.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Lucio?
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Yeah, either a damage nerf or ROF. I'd prefer damage since it kinda nerfs ROF as well. One of my main peeves is that they double body shot 200-250 hp characters like it's nothing. Decreasing the full charge to 125 would require longer charge time overall to get to 200 off double body shots.
Play with different people. I play with pure pubs/randoms and I don't believe I've ever lost 3 games in a row. If you're on PC let me know and I'll message you my Blizzard tag thing.
Shake Appeal
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Oh, good point. I'd be all right with a cooldown then.
BannedEpisode
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It's more that I don't trust a pub McCree to actually finish the job.
packy34
Member
He's weak and slow. Anyone with explosives or range can kill him easily. His flashbang only works at slapping distance. Skilled players using Junkrat, Pharah, Widow and Hanzo shouldn't have a problem with him.
You can just reload and do it again if you're good at wall skating/avoiding.
GwyndolinCinder
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lmao, he has a left click you know.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
He's...weak? He is slow, that is is one weakness. Good thing Lucio exists.
He can beat Junkrat or Pharah with his left click.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Considering that in the past OT and this one, we have had someone demanding a nerf for every character at least once, there is a shit-load of salt floating around.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
He can throw the flashbang at his feet so it can't get reflected lol
His only counter is Widow or maybe Hanzo from afar
A good Winston can even wreck McCree. You just have to have good footsies and place the shield.
with default left click
Shake Appeal
Member
McCree drops Pharah out of the sky. In confined spaces, he beats Junkrat with right click. In open spaces, he beats Junkrat with left click.
Hanzo is sort of a fair fight. Widow is the only one who is dominant over him, and again, only at long range.
McCree kills Winston in two, maybe three seconds.
SplitYourInfinities
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I have to be the unluckiest person in this thread. I see that almost everyone here is getting amazing skins, meanwhile I'm at level 22 with zero legendary skins and only 460 gold.
Mei reacted the right way, it just happened that McGree also reacted to bastion almost at the same time and managed to land the flashbang. Both plays were super close to each other so there is no way for Mei to react to the flashbang and stop casting the wall. Either she waits for McGree reaction (which could miss the flashbang) or makes sure no ones dies by putting a wall.
Right choice in a public game
If anyone thinks there was enough time for Mei to see the flashbang flying and decide not to use wall, well.. those people dont understand how the game works. The views are never in sync so its most likely Mei saw the wall go almost as the same time as the flash
-MD-
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So stay far away and lob explosives/snipe is the counter?
The Omega Man
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If they put FTH on a cooldown, they might as well get rid of his roll ability because it becomes insta useless.
bastion was about to get one shot by the mccree plus any extra from people around them. The wall saved bastion not the other way around
Lucio is mediocre and McCree has a lot of counters. I'm learning a lot in today's thread
You spend a day away from the thread and the meta goes upside down!
meanspartan
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IMO it is too early for nerfs, if people had their way, Bastion woulda been nerfed into the ground lol. I say wait and let ranked play develop the understanding of the game more, then nerf.
Anecdotally, I don't feel like I die all that much to McCree. If you weaken his stun/fan, then no one will really play him. Other characters do mid-range better- his whole point of existence is his burst strength (He almost reminds me of a Ret Pally from my days in WoW PVP. If our burst wasn't there, we were pointless).
His stun/fan is a good counter to flankers, but you have to be pretty close to use it. Meaning he will get himself killed vs. a good group.
For my $.02, don't nerf him. And no, I don't have a horse in this race, as I don't really play McCree.
Anecdotally, I don't feel like I die all that much to McCree. If you weaken his stun/fan, then no one will really play him. Other characters do mid-range better- his whole point of existence is his burst strength (He almost reminds me of a Ret Pally from my days in WoW PVP. If our burst wasn't there, we were pointless).
His stun/fan is a good counter to flankers, but you have to be pretty close to use it. Meaning he will get himself killed vs. a good group.
For my $.02, don't nerf him. And no, I don't have a horse in this race, as I don't really play McCree.
packy34
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Sure, but it doesn't do as much damage as the snipers. I've been killed by a single junkrat shot many times as well. Maybe he's harder to counter than some other characters but he's not impossibly strong.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
D.Va should not be stunned by a flashbang when she's in the mech.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Hey well Bastion and Zenyatta can be damaged by Widowmaker's poison. Explain that one.
Pharah is easily picked off in the air by McCree.
GwyndolinCinder
Member
"doesnt do as much damage as snipers". I am dying, the shit you hear to defend mcree.
Did anyone take the call for Bastion nerfs seriously though?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I play McCree a lot and even I think he needs a nerf
I see tanks like Reinhardt or Winston and think "Oh boy, free kill!". He beats everybody 1v1. Tanks, flankers, front line soldiers, defense turrets/bastion...everybody. Free!
I see tanks like Reinhardt or Winston and think "Oh boy, free kill!". He beats everybody 1v1. Tanks, flankers, front line soldiers, defense turrets/bastion...everybody. Free!
Mobius and pet octopus
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Soldier 76 helix rocket is right click. Lucio's knock back is right click.
I don't know if a cooldown is what is best though. I'd personally prefer a redesign, because I like McCree as a character a lot and I want him to be both viable and have a toolkit that works well. Simply adding a cooldown might not work out well.
packy34
Member
Well, does he? In a one on one fight at range against widow, do you really think McCree is going to win?
GwyndolinCinder
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Absolutely killing me.
-MD-
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Not sniping distance, a McCree shouldn't be out in the open in the first place.
He works well behind enemy lines, sneaking in and out of buildings 1v1ing any hero he comes across with ease.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
You shouldn't try fighting Widow at range to begin with, so...
Well seems like every tournament they do double McCrees are run...I do think he needs slight tweaks.
Demoskinos
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Funny cause when I'm playing Winston If I see a McCree I laugh as he tries to do anything against my shield while I Barbecue him to death with my arc lightning gun.
More Fun To Compute
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One in 20 boxes seems to be average so you are not that much more unlucky than normal.
meanspartan
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Maybe, but again, a good group should be protecting vulnerable characters against their counters.
A friend of mine is a Reinhardt and I usually play Lucio. If I see a McCree approaching him, I speed towards him and shove him the fuck back lol.
GwyndolinCinder
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Guys Mcree is balanced cause he cant out freeze a Mei.
Shake Appeal
Member
People, including highly competitive pros, have been playing this version of McCree for months. Pros have one or two McCrees on their team always.
Almost no characters do mid-range better. And when you factor in the stun, no character does short-range better. That's the point: he's dominant at every range except long, and he can still ping you and do not insignificant damage across the map.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
We know she's a bottom-tier, non-competitive character, so fine. I guess for pub play it was alright.
You shouldn't try fighting McGree at close range to begin with, so...
ViewtifulJC
Banned
The smart McCree flashbang before the shield goes up, or roll inside the shield with him for a free RMB that does way more damage than Winston's trash electric stream of tickling damage
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