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[Baliis]

No other right-click ability has a cooldown, and putting a gun mode on shift/E is weird. It doesn't fit the design philosophy.

Just remove the instant reload on roll and up the reload time a smidge. The double FTH is what deletes tanks. You'll still crush squishies as intended, just no more overpowered E, RMB, Shift, RMB.

Lucio's right click has a cooldown instead of his shift.

Also, fan already has a longer reload time than his normal reload doesnt it? Not really a cooldown in the strictest sense, but still.

 

[commish]

There's a reason double McCree is ran constantly.

Let's hear those counters.

Lucio is mediocre and McCree has a lot of counters. I'm learning a lot in today's thread

 

[The Omega Man]

Nah, doubt it. They'll probably just do something to FTH.

So either a lower damage output or a cooldown. Should still be enough to murder Tracer.

All you have to do is put FTH on cooldown and the roll combo isn't an issue anymore.

I don't know about that, That Dev is talking exclusively about his flash-bang damage to tanks, don't think FTH or any other mechanic will be touched.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

No other right-click ability has a cooldown

Lucio?

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

They should knock her charged shot damage down to, I dunno, 125. A headshot still kills most characters, Zenyatta is instantly more viable, a decent Tracer wasn't easy to bodyshot anyway. Make the skill floor a little higher, the skill ceiling a little lower.

Yeah, either a damage nerf or ROF. I'd prefer damage since it kinda nerfs ROF as well. One of my main peeves is that they double body shot 200-250 hp characters like it's nothing. Decreasing the full charge to 125 would require longer charge time overall to get to 200 off double body shots.

 

[TaterTots]

Starting to get really salty on Overwatch now. For the last 3 nights we've been getting our asses handed to us with 10+ losestreaks. We usually play with a full party and messed people up in beta bigtime.

Play with different people. I play with pure pubs/randoms and I don't believe I've ever lost 3 games in a row. If you're on PC let me know and I'll message you my Blizzard tag thing.

 

[Shake Appeal]

Lucio's right click has a cooldown instead of his shift.

Oh, good point. I'd be all right with a cooldown then.

 

[BannedEpisode]

Was there a second Bastion we didn't see? That Fan the Hammer would have murdered that Bastion.

It's more that I don't trust a pub McCree to actually finish the job.

 

[packy34]

There's a reason double McCree is ran constantly.

Let's hear those counters.

He's weak and slow. Anyone with explosives or range can kill him easily. His flashbang only works at slapping distance. Skilled players using Junkrat, Pharah, Widow and Hanzo shouldn't have a problem with him.

 

[Palmer_v1]

From Reddit:

HEY I JUST MET YOU, AND THIS IS CRAZY, SO HERE'S MY FLASHBANG, AND RIGHT CLICK MAYBE!

 

[TaterTots]

Lucio?

You can just reload and do it again if you're good at wall skating/avoiding.

 

[Rhaknar]

mcree should be able to one shot anyone but tanks imo

 

[GwyndolinCinder]

He's weak and slow. Anyone with explosives or range can kill him easily. His flashbang only works at slapping distance. Skilled players using Junkrat, Pharah, Widow and Hanzo shouldn't have a problem with him.

lmao, he has a left click you know.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

He's weak and slow. Anyone with explosives or range can kill him easily. His flashbang only works at slapping distance. Skilled players using Junkrat, Pharah, Widow and Hanzo shouldn't have a problem with him.

He's...weak? He is slow, that is is one weakness. Good thing Lucio exists.

He can beat Junkrat or Pharah with his left click.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

i love that identifying when a character needs a slight nerf makes people "salty"

Considering that in the past OT and this one, we have had someone demanding a nerf for every character at least once, there is a shit-load of salt floating around.

 

[Tyrant Rave]

Like...what? Genji and...

He can throw the flashbang at his feet so it can't get reflected lol

His only counter is Widow or maybe Hanzo from afar

 

[TaterTots]

He's weak and slow. Anyone with explosives or range can kill him easily. His flashbang only works at slapping distance. Skilled players using Junkrat, Pharah, Widow and Hanzo shouldn't have a problem with him.

A good Winston can even wreck McCree. You just have to have good footsies and place the shield.

 

[mbpm1]

mcree should be able to one shot anyone but tanks imo

with default left click

 

[Shake Appeal]

He's weak and slow. Anyone with explosives or range can kill him easily. His flashbang only works at slapping distance. Skilled players using Junkrat, Pharah, Widow and Hanzo shouldn't have a problem with him.

McCree drops Pharah out of the sky. In confined spaces, he beats Junkrat with right click. In open spaces, he beats Junkrat with left click.

Hanzo is sort of a fair fight. Widow is the only one who is dominant over him, and again, only at long range.

A good Winston can even wreck McCree. You just have to have good footsies and place the shield.

McCree kills Winston in two, maybe three seconds.

 

[SplitYourInfinities]

I have to be the unluckiest person in this thread. I see that almost everyone here is getting amazing skins, meanwhile I'm at level 22 with zero legendary skins and only 460 gold.

 

[Anteo]

You realize that she didn't save anyone right? He had just flashbanged and was about the FTH and wreck that Bastion.

Spoiler

I'm hoping you're taking the piss here.

Mei reacted the right way, it just happened that McGree also reacted to bastion almost at the same time and managed to land the flashbang. Both plays were super close to each other so there is no way for Mei to react to the flashbang and stop casting the wall. Either she waits for McGree reaction (which could miss the flashbang) or makes sure no ones dies by putting a wall.

Right choice in a public game

If anyone thinks there was enough time for Mei to see the flashbang flying and decide not to use wall, well.. those people dont understand how the game works. The views are never in sync so its most likely Mei saw the wall go almost as the same time as the flash

 

[-MD-]

He's weak and slow. Anyone with explosives or range can kill him easily. His flashbang only works at slapping distance. Skilled players using Junkrat, Pharah, Widow and Hanzo shouldn't have a problem with him.

So stay far away and lob explosives/snipe is the counter?

 

[The Omega Man]

If they put FTH on a cooldown, they might as well get rid of his roll ability because it becomes insta useless.

 

[Apathy]

Everyone bashing Mei for this doesn't realize that by putting up that ice wall she saved her team from getting wiped out by that damage buffed Bastion.

bastion was about to get one shot by the mccree plus any extra from people around them. The wall saved bastion not the other way around

 

[maouvin]

Lucio is mediocre and McCree has a lot of counters. I'm learning a lot in today's thread

You spend a day away from the thread and the meta goes upside down!

 

[meanspartan]

IMO it is too early for nerfs, if people had their way, Bastion woulda been nerfed into the ground lol. I say wait and let ranked play develop the understanding of the game more, then nerf.

Anecdotally, I don't feel like I die all that much to McCree. If you weaken his stun/fan, then no one will really play him. Other characters do mid-range better- his whole point of existence is his burst strength (He almost reminds me of a Ret Pally from my days in WoW PVP. If our burst wasn't there, we were pointless).

His stun/fan is a good counter to flankers, but you have to be pretty close to use it. Meaning he will get himself killed vs. a good group.

For my $.02, don't nerf him. And no, I don't have a horse in this race, as I don't really play McCree.

 

[packy34]

lmao, he has a left click you know.

Sure, but it doesn't do as much damage as the snipers. I've been killed by a single junkrat shot many times as well. Maybe he's harder to counter than some other characters but he's not impossibly strong.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

D.Va should not be stunned by a flashbang when she's in the mech.

 

[ZealousD]

Couldn't you also just cut the reload on McCree's roll to give him something of a cool down on FTH?

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

D.Va should not be stunned by a flashbang when she's in the mech.

Hey well Bastion and Zenyatta can be damaged by Widowmaker's poison. Explain that one.

 

[Onemic]

He's weak and slow. Anyone with explosives or range can kill him easily. His flashbang only works at slapping distance. Skilled players using Junkrat, Pharah, Widow and Hanzo shouldn't have a problem with him.

Pharah is easily picked off in the air by McCree.

 

[GwyndolinCinder]

Sure, but it doesn't do as much damage as the snipers. I've been killed by a single junkrat shot many times as well. Maybe he's harder to counter than some other characters but he's not impossibly strong.

"doesnt do as much damage as snipers". I am dying, the shit you hear to defend mcree.

 

[Grief.exe]

IMO it is too early for nerfs, if people had their way, Bastion woulda been nerfed into the ground lol. I say wait and let ranked play develop the understanding of the game more, then nerf.

Did anyone take the call for Bastion nerfs seriously though?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I play McCree a lot and even I think he needs a nerf

I see tanks like Reinhardt or Winston and think "Oh boy, free kill!". He beats everybody 1v1. Tanks, flankers, front line soldiers, defense turrets/bastion...everybody. Free!

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

No other right-click ability has a cooldown, and putting a gun mode on shift/E is weird. It doesn't fit the design philosophy.

Soldier 76 helix rocket is right click. Lucio's knock back is right click.

I don't know if a cooldown is what is best though. I'd personally prefer a redesign, because I like McCree as a character a lot and I want him to be both viable and have a toolkit that works well. Simply adding a cooldown might not work out well.

 

[packy34]

"doesnt do as much damage as snipers". I am dying, the shit you hear to defend mcree.

Well, does he? In a one on one fight at range against widow, do you really think McCree is going to win?

 

[GwyndolinCinder]

Well, does he? In a one on one fight at range against widow, do you really think McCree is going to win?

Absolutely killing me.

 

[Sesuadra]

Does Mei get payment from Mexico for the walls she's building?

 

[-MD-]

Well, does he? In a one on one fight at range against widow, do you really think McCree is going to win?

Not sniping distance, a McCree shouldn't be out in the open in the first place.

He works well behind enemy lines, sneaking in and out of buildings 1v1ing any hero he comes across with ease.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Well, does he? In a one on one fight at range against widow, do you really think McCree is going to win?

You shouldn't try fighting Widow at range to begin with, so...

 

[Maximo]

IMO it is too early for nerfs, if people had their way, Bastion woulda been nerfed into the ground lol. I say wait and let ranked play develop the understanding of the game more, then nerf.

Well seems like every tournament they do double McCrees are run...I do think he needs slight tweaks.

 

[Demoskinos]

I play McCree a lot and even I think he needs a nerf

I see tanks like Reinhardt or Winston and think "Oh boy, free kill!"

Like that aint right b lol

Funny cause when I'm playing Winston If I see a McCree I laugh as he tries to do anything against my shield while I Barbecue him to death with my arc lightning gun.

 

[Dad]

the arguments for mccree having a weakness almost always boil down to "he can't outsnipe a sniper" which is sort of hilarious and missing the forest for the trees

 

[More Fun To Compute]

I have to be the unluckiest person in this thread. I see that almost everyone here is getting amazing skins, meanwhile I'm at level 22 with zero legendary skins and only 460 gold.

One in 20 boxes seems to be average so you are not that much more unlucky than normal.

 

[meanspartan]

I play McCree a lot and even I think he needs a nerf

I see tanks like Reinhardt or Winston and think "Oh boy, free kill!"

Like that aint right b lol

Maybe, but again, a good group should be protecting vulnerable characters against their counters.

A friend of mine is a Reinhardt and I usually play Lucio. If I see a McCree approaching him, I speed towards him and shove him the fuck back lol.

 

[GwyndolinCinder]

Guys Mcree is balanced cause he cant out freeze a Mei.

 

[Shake Appeal]

IMO it is too early for nerfs, if people had their way, Bastion woulda been nerfed into the ground lol. I say wait and let ranked play develop the understanding of the game more, then nerf.

Anecdotally, I don't feel like I die all that much to McCree. If you weaken his stun/fan, then no one will really play him. Other characters do mid-range better- his whole point of existence is his burst strength (He almost reminds me of a Ret Pally from my days in WoW PVP. If our burst wasn't there, we were pointless).

His stun/fan is a good counter to flankers, but you have to be pretty close to use it. Meaning he will get himself killed vs. a good group.

For my $.02, don't nerf him. And no, I don't have a horse in this race, as I don't really play McCree.

People, including highly competitive pros, have been playing this version of McCree for months. Pros have one or two McCrees on their team always.

Almost no characters do mid-range better. And when you factor in the stun, no character does short-range better. That's the point: he's dominant at every range except long, and he can still ping you and do not insignificant damage across the map.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Mei reacted the right way, it just happened that McGree also reacted to bastion almost at the same time and managed to land the flashbang. Both plays were super close to each other so there is no way for Mei to react to the flashbang and stop casting the wall. Either she waits for McGree reaction (which could miss the flashbang) or makes sure no ones dies by putting a wall.

Right choice in a public game

If anyone thinks there was enough time for Mei to see the flashbang flying and decide not to use wall, well.. those people dont understand how the game works. The views are never in sync so its most likely Mei saw the wall go almost as the same time as the flash

We know she's a bottom-tier, non-competitive character, so fine. I guess for pub play it was alright.

 

[Anteo]

You shouldn't try fighting Widow at range to begin with, so...

You shouldn't try fighting McGree at close range to begin with, so...

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Funny cause when I'm playing Winston If I see a McCree I laugh as he tries to do anything against my shield while I Barbecue him to death with my arc lightning gun.

The smart McCree flashbang before the shield goes up, or roll inside the shield with him for a free RMB that does way more damage than Winston's trash electric stream of tickling damage