I see people use Torb all the time. Even on offense *sigh*
Ok, now I know you guys are just fooling now. Double McCree was half my games last night on PC.
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I see people use Torb all the time. Even on offense *sigh*
Ok, now I know you guys are just fooling now. Double McCree was half my games last night on PC.
Uh, what's fishy about it?
The matchmaking system's job is to give you matches that are as close to you in terms of skill as possible.
A perfectly even match will give you a 50% chance of victory.
So yeah, obviously the matchmaking system is trying to give you a 50% win rate. That is its whole reason for existing.
It is possible that Blizzard's algorithm reacts to streaks of wins by promoting you a little bit more than the results would indicate to accurate the process of getting smurfs or whatever to their correct ELO. I am not sure I would consider it fishy though.
EscoBlades
Ubisoft Marketing
Dunno about that. A half decent widow is dropping most in one shot. I can peek a torb turret and:
- One blast it with helix rockets followed by a few bullets, without the need for biotic field
- Couple of hits from Junkrat's grenades
- Charge it into oblivion with pretty much any tank
- Snipe it
Only issue comes when it is in an elevated position, or has another turret covering the sweep LOS. Or another member of the enemy team waiting in ambush.
pelicansurf
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At a bare minimum, 1 Mcree. Torbjorn's are still fairly prevalent on PC, unless you're in some absurdly high MMR.
I do see double mcrees
Those are newbs.
New meta is 5 EasyMcCree + Lucio for speed boost.
More Fun To Compute
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The way to bring people "back into line" isn't to give people a short row of games with 90% chance of losing but to give them a longer run of games with 55% chance of losing. It's like the matchmaking algorithms can suddenly become nazis when they see untermensch getting above their station.
backflip10019
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Yeah his primary weapon is super strong against turrets for whatever reason. Meanwhile Winston can only take one down to half health while being shot. Learned this the hard way last night.
Rockandrollclown
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fucking snipers on attack. First off, your team never needs more than one sniper on attack. Second, the least you could do is try to counter the defending team's sniper instead of ignoring them. Good snipers provide great utility, but good snipers seem to be in short supply. Also, if its going to overtime, contest the point.
Braag
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They need to make it so the cooldown for the sentry starts after it is destroyed. That way destroying it would actually be some sort of setback, but right now he can just pop another up immediately after the first one is destroyed. Makes teams with more than 1 torb a nightmare to go against.
It's very easy to avoid. Best used in tight areas like tunnels and such so it's harder to just take a few steps to the side and avoid it.
It's very easy to avoid. Best used in tight areas like tunnels and such so it's harder to just take a few steps to the side and avoid it.
Do it to one side. Whenever people hear Japanese being yelled, they tend to sidestep now.
Yeah, that seems dumb. You'd think a tank like that should be effective against them. Hell, let Roadhog hook them too!
Interfectum
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Last night the other team had 3 trobs on defense and all it took was a junkrat ult coming from the side. 3 dead turrets, 3 dead trobs. Got play of the game for it. Feels good.
If the turret is placed well and the Torb isn't a total idiot that leaves it out in the open then that shouldn't be possible.
EscoBlades
Ubisoft Marketing
He has to then spend a good 4-5 seconds hammering it back to level 2 for any effectiveness. He's vulnerable at that point.
Kor of Memory
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Are you announcing your super is ready to your team?
If I ever see a Hanzo announce his super, I (Mei) usually try to coordinate with them so he has stationary targets with my blizzard or ice wall. A good Zarya will do the same.
SDCowboy
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Good advice. But does it start from where the arrow lands, or just the direction you are aiming and starts from the bow?
Raven117
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Or, perhaps, a game where the sight lines allows a sniper to actually cover the target zone and make a difference. If you want to camp in the back with a sniper rifle and think that you are "zoning the enemy" and helping your team, go for it. It's a free country. Just know that your team hates you.
IMO, the key with Widowmaker is to keep moving around the objective. Its hard to just sit there and camp.
use it behind walls after using the sight arrow so you catch them off guard. its mostly used to make them spread out anyway, kinda like D.Va's ult. Im happy when I kill one person with it now
TheLetdown
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This is why I love putting the turret on the elevators in Hollywood.
I don't play him all that often, but I honestly think that the turrets are fine as they are.
To add another to the list of ways to deal with a turret:
- Lucio with a speed buff, alternating to heal when you take a few hits. It only takes 3 or so burst rounds to kill it and Lucio's range is further than the turret.
EscoBlades
Ubisoft Marketing
This. Players are getting very good about dodging to the side the moment they hear his Ult callout. You can usually guess where it is coming from if you are all grouped together too. Or you've been making a mental note of Hanzo's placement.
Case in point:
https://youtu.be/-UQ2Tpt0ugg?t=32s
From my experience on the PC, those other two guys are doing the exact same thing as you. If you picked a healer, why would they? Pick who you want and so far in my experience, one of them will pick the support or tank that's needed.
Of course I still play lucio some so i'm not a dick, and because I like it.
PushingButtons
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Moved on from Practice vs A.I to joining a regular game with randoms.
Ridiculously fun to be honest. I had a blast despite not fully knowing what I was doing. But it quickly became common to see "No support/healer/builder heroes" in the class comp screen. So I found myself mainly using the support healers. It wasn't too bad though I'm looking forward to joining up with some people from here.
Ridiculously fun to be honest. I had a blast despite not fully knowing what I was doing. But it quickly became common to see "No support/healer/builder heroes" in the class comp screen. So I found myself mainly using the support healers. It wasn't too bad though I'm looking forward to joining up with some people from here.
Diablohead
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widowmakers and hanzos that do not contest a point/payload are another annoying thing about them.
the cart needs one more push, it's overtime and the widowmaker hangs back instead of contesting to allow people who died to return and try for the push.
the cart needs one more push, it's overtime and the widowmaker hangs back instead of contesting to allow people who died to return and try for the push.
Same issue, people are just better at running away from it. You need to ambush people through walls or hope they're too busy fighting to notice it coming. Sometimes it's good to shoot it closer to them so they don't have time to run away.
This is spot on for how my matchmaking has been for the last few days playing solo. I mean I don't even mind playing support/healer or tank, as those are my favorite classes, I just wish people didn't always pick the same hero for the whole match and learned to counter other players. When a match goes decently when playing with a bad team, most of the time I have to change from support to Winston/Pharah at the final push so I can disrupt the other team long enough for us to win, because nobody cares to change and apparently it's really fun to be slaughtered by Bastion and Tor over and over again.
SDCowboy
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Man, I play pugs. You know how well that would go over. lol
True, good point.
60 tick would be better than 20 but some people act like every time they see an inconsistency that 20 tick is to blame. Sometimes it's just plain ole' latency issues.
Why? I've done this too. Lucio does 25 damage per blob, 4 blobs per click. Sure, he takes a lot of damage from the turret, but Lucio heals himself. The turret doesn't. All you do is peek out of cover, take your shot, and dive back into cover to wait for your self-heal to work. Turrets just don't do enough damage to kill Lucio if he is peeking from cover. I mean, they don't really do enough damage to kill anybody using cover well. A turret without teammates protecting the area in front of it should be considered dead and you should start thinking of your next turret spot.
Interfectum
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TheCanisDirus
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Completely agree. Everyone in random pubs thinks their a fucking sniper god and are more that likely complete shit at the role. It's frustrating when they simply ignore or hide from the opposing team's sniper and focus on engaging only the other squishy characters. A good sniper can be a godsend though.
Playing a support character is really rewarding. Blizzard did a great job with all of them, and making it so that you get medals and post-game cards for healing and such was a brilliant idea for making healers feel appreciated.
Compare that to something like DOTA where playing a support is the most annoying thing in the game because you feel so unappreciated and you get locked out of so much of the game and everyone bitches at you for not constantly babysitting them. It's a hellish existence for those brave players and I'm glad Blizzard has made supporting more enjoyable here.
Felix Lighter
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Best way to catch people off guard is to try and do it directly behind a wall between you and the enemies. If they have any time to see it and react, it is very easy to avoid.
supermetfreud
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Yeah, I'm not sure why everyone is so quick to recommend snipers as counters to turrets when half the time it's impossible to get a LoS that doesn't trigger them. Or they've hidden their turret around a corner.
Was dealing with a team of 5 Tor's yesterday on Anubis, and that was just not working on point B (neither were Pharrah or Mei). Should have just switched to D.Va, flown in, and torn them up.
I just had a game where I absolutely saved our team's ass with Zarya, with just a few seconds before overtime, shooting my ultimate on the payload, blasting it with everyone I got (and my fellow teammates as well!) and continuing our warpath until the end.
There is no 'I' in team, I know, but fuck if I didn't save our asses.
Good to have a Hanzo time his ultimates with mine too!
There is no 'I' in team, I know, but fuck if I didn't save our asses.
Good to have a Hanzo time his ultimates with mine too!
PayOffWizard
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Im on ps4 and the most double picks I've been seeing is reaper and 76. levels 1-30 anyway.
You can usually position yourself with a wall or pillar peaked out enough where it doesn't fire but you can get your shots off. TF2 has trained me well.
I'd expect it to be natural variance on top of the matchmaking system. Matching up 12 people with close enough ping to a server and MMR who are searching for games within a 15s interval, then individual player variance between games/maps/characters/compositions on top of that (and confirmation bias once people start noticing "fishy" trends).
It does seem "swingy" at times, but I wouldn't be sure that there's anything more to it than being an actually difficult problem to solve.
Some people really know how to putt hose turrets, like there were 3 of thema nd there was a Reinharnt protecting them from front assault while the torbs were taking care of flankers.
Shit was a massacre.
He just pushes mei out of his face, I reccomend McCree
All the complaining about the tickrate feels good and i hope Blizzard will give in to it. It's disappointing that they ignored such an important part of competitive FPS:s.
Awful tickrate and netcodes is a big part of why games like Halo, COD and Battlefield never has been taken seriously as an esport.
You don't need to be pro to suffer from it of course.
Awful tickrate and netcodes is a big part of why games like Halo, COD and Battlefield never has been taken seriously as an esport.
You don't need to be pro to suffer from it of course.
PayOffWizard
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Im fine with two 76s on my team as hes a solid all rounder and very easy to play well.
But it feels like the people playing reaper are just after POTG with his ult.
Edit. oops i was suppose to edit my post not quote it
PushingButtons
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Oh I totally agree. I don't mind really since I enjoy playing the role, it's just nice to see a game reward the healer role. Most FPS Multiplayer titles I've played are usually geared more towards the guy with the most kills or best k/d.
It doesn't tell you specifically in game, but if they're really good at coordinating, it's probably a group.
Braag
Member
Exactly, 4-5 sec setback isn't much. In Temple of Anubis we were once up against 3 torbs, reinhardt, Mercy and McCree, we got objective A but it was almost impossible to get B. I was playing Paharh and managed to destroy 2 of the turrets a few times with my ult (sometimes our lucio joined with his ult) but got killed in the process always. In just 4-5 secs they setup the destroyed turrets again so it felt useless.
Kor of Memory
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Self fulfilling prophecy up in here.
Woo-Fu
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Uhh, what other outcome would you expect from skill-based matchmaking? If you're not hovering around 50% with brief swings up or down then the matchmaking is not working.
It is funny how one person said something somewhere and now people repeat it without even thinking about what they're actually saying, particularly after it has already been debunked by one or more Blizzard responses.
For people who are annoyed by Torbjor's turret for killing them from halfway across the map...you are not halfway across the map.
The turret only has a range of 40m, and I've myself taken it out just by shooting at it from outside its range so many times. If you are talking about battles that were within its radius, well what do you expect? It's a turret with low health that does the one job its suppose to do.
The turret only has a range of 40m, and I've myself taken it out just by shooting at it from outside its range so many times. If you are talking about battles that were within its radius, well what do you expect? It's a turret with low health that does the one job its suppose to do.
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