Gunslinger
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I think a good nerf for mccree will be to just lower the damage on Fan the hammer. By 100. That way bad tanks will get a decent chance(They do already) and dpser will still be sent to spawn point.
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Abstrusity
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In the case of the Planetside 2 example, it was legitimately a thing. Their reasoning behind it was literally "Terran Republic players trend at higher skill levels."
Taking a snapshot like I did is disingenuous: There might be a bad balance change, but then it's reversed or changed elsewhere for an indirect buff again, because it didn't havea bad result.
But the salt is real!
That's why I don't do anything but two base blink all-ins anymore :^)
supermetfreud
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I just...I don't know. I'm in love with how each character breaks the game in a specific way, but every PotG I see that's just Hanzo blindly firing arrows into a crowd or around a corner and killing everyone is kind of making me resent him. I'm not saying they should definitely nerf him, but he's easily the most annoying character for me.
Surely at mid-range, his bullets aren't still doing 70dmg each. (I really don't know). I think McCree is a little worse than all the Mei hate. You just need to keep your distance. The flash has a pretty small radius. If he manages to get me with it from range, roll in, and FTH to my face, good for him. He deserved that kill. I don't play McCree, but I've never been completely shutdown by him.
You say that like people never get close unless both teams sign an agreement to approach each other. These maps have so many side alleys and corners it isn't hard to flank. Any other character that gets the flank at worst might kill you but you get to fight back. If McCree flanks its Flash, Fan, Roll, and there is zero chance to fight back against that with any character. Or McCree comes to a team fight late, its not like you can disengage and flee to avoid it.
From the hacker forums, one of the main dude:
Really? it's unfair people blindly click they agree and get banned for doing something they shouldn't be doing? It's unfair that you can't cheat all you want? The fuck is wrong with these morons.
Most I've went is 3 premade I think but the game seems to have trouble with the match making if you have around that number, usually steam roll when that happens.
The Omega Man
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McCree's WAS designed to pest control, to keep annoying flees like Tracer and Genji on check, also he is supposed to dominate 1 v 1 in close quarter conditions he is a dueler, people complaining that they got owned bad by a McCree are not telling the full story, what character were you? were you a Mei? a Tracer? a Genji (a bad one) if the answer is yes, then it went as expected a McCree did his job at keeping you in check.
Lucio is just disgusting to play against on Illios. Just may as well all pick Pharah.
He's one of the best at 2v1 though. Flashbang one, FtH = die. Roll > FtH the other one. Like he's my second most played but I'm not gonna lie and say he doesn't need to be toned down a bit.
Gunslinger
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yeah like i said reduce fan damage by 100.
The thread on the overwatch forum that the dev responded to was made by a player who spent most of their time playing as Tracer, lol. Then some Mei fans started slipping in and piggy backing.
I'm defending him and I play Tracer more than double McCree.
"I've been watching McCree carefully since we've released. McCree's flashbang plays an important role in being a strong option against very fast/agile teams (tracers/genjis/etc). It is also a nice tool to prevent close range devastating abilities and ultimates such as Reaper's Death Blossom.
That said, its probably a bit too good at dealing damage to higher health targets such as Tanks and barriers. I don't have any concrete changes yet, but I'm going to be testing some things internally to see how he plays."
Its already confirmed hes doing too much damage.
Honestly I agree. Almost every time I am killed by a regular arrow it just feels like the Hanzo player lucked out, regardless of how good he is. That's probably not fair but it's the sense I always get.
Again, it is that he obliterates tanks solo that is the problem. That in team fights he just spams fan the hammer and melts teams faster than most any other character on top of having all of that ability to flank/counter flank.
I played in a 4-5man group all weekend (2 matches with 6) and never encountered a McCree that made me 'rage'.
Winston.
That's why I like the idea of a FtH cooldown. As Blizzard said, it's not a problem for him to melt squishies at close range, it's a problem for him to destroy tanks.
These are my three from the beta. I can't play so I want the game to play itself so I can take care of my waifu.
Not a good look.
if there's a good one that can actually land headshots I switch off him pretty much immediately. But I usually mitigate the problem either by always having armor/shields (friend plays Torb a lot and knows I need it) or hanging out with Reinhardt.
True, I'm confusing his intended role with the way people are primarily playing him. He's encroached too far onto especially Reaper's niche as the close combat DPS hero.
I'd also be perfectly happy if he transitioned into a mid range fighter with a specialty in dealing with flankers if he then lost his ability to be a heavy damage dealing tank buster. Being both at the same time is too strong.
I think one body shot of Widow is enough to kill Zen. Ne head shot required.
They still play differently though. Reaper shines when he gets behind teams to deal damage with teleport and wraith form. As others said, McCree would usually stick with the team to deal with the flankers.
supermetfreud
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Yeah, like, when any other character kills me, I can sit back and go "yeah I can see where I fucked up there," but Hanzo almost always makes me scream "fucking really??"
Well luckily that seems to be what they're changing. Flash seems fine as it is I think.
The Omega Man
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To Tanks? Yes, but Mei, Tracers and Genji players are DELUSIONAL if they think they should win a 1 on 1 encounter with McCree, this game is not balanced by winning chances of characters against other characters. McCree was designed as dominant 1 can 1 dueler, you Mei, Tracer or Genji? Then back the heck off or wait for back up, and if he got you with his combo and if you died before you could have done anything then good, that's his thing, after he dropped you death he is highly vulnerable and slow until his cooldowns reset.
Yeah, scoped shots vary from 15-150. His shields don't reduce any of that so it's an insta kill.
Well, they are. Fall-off hits at a fairly decent range away - generally past the zone where big team fights occur - and only then does damage get havled to 35. The reason this was changed back in the closed beta is because McCree used to be able to snipe targets Widowmaker-style, and that was obviously a problem.
McCree is very potent at mid-range with his primary, able to chunk down really any target in fairly short order, especially the squishies. Even if you only hit bodyshots you're still capable of 420 damage per clip, and if you have the aim to hit headshots consistently he deals out silly damage. He's just so devastating in close range with his combo that people tend to underrate his primary.
I know, like I said I'm almost always armored. 25 hp from shields will also save him from a bodyshot.
I played him in 150 hp mode on attack yesterday and I humped Reinhardt's leg so hard I was unsnipeable for the most part. I think their Widow got me once, but I was taking the first hanamura point at the time.
Problem is, at the moment McCree is also the better tank buster as well because of his Flashbang arcing over barriers and then being able to output his damage very rapidly with a double Fan the Hammer.
Him having better damage at medium range to better shut down mobile flankers who are lit if they didn't catch the whole (reduced damage) Fan the Hammer is probably better for the overall hero checks and balances, even if those quick fire 140 damage headshots irritate me more - and thinking about it, what makes them irritating is the fact that his close range (which I'm avoiding) is even stronger.
Seagull was explaining Hanzo yesterday and it was pretty much like this, go to the spawn point on defense, shoot some arrow right into the sky when like 18 sec is left, the arrows come down, you can get "RNG kills"....
Generally aim at heads height to get...some "RNG kills"..
get those kills and don't miss targets or you're useless for the team.
Hanzo is like hearthstone.
Generally aim at heads height to get...some "RNG kills"..
get those kills and don't miss targets or you're useless for the team.
Hanzo is like hearthstone.
Interficium
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Anticipating some choice "MCREE IS RUINED" posts from you after the nerf.
Gunslinger
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apparently to a lot of people this game is 1 vs 1 lmaooo yet they are scared to play SF lol.
Actual
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I'm a Reinhardt. I'll play other classes when we already have decent tanks, but he's my favorite by far.
It's incredible the amount of people who just don't do anything when I have my barrier up. That thing is huge and can be taken out rather quickly if people focus fire on it. Let me tell you, short of an amazing Tracer, just firing like crazy on the shield is the best thing to do against Reinhardt.
Yesterday, I played a match where the opposing team also had a Reinhardt and I just told my team to focus fire on the barrier. We took him out easily every time while they tried flank me and get splash damage in, never succeeding.
Shoot the barrier people. It's not invincible.
It's incredible the amount of people who just don't do anything when I have my barrier up. That thing is huge and can be taken out rather quickly if people focus fire on it. Let me tell you, short of an amazing Tracer, just firing like crazy on the shield is the best thing to do against Reinhardt.
Yesterday, I played a match where the opposing team also had a Reinhardt and I just told my team to focus fire on the barrier. We took him out easily every time while they tried flank me and get splash damage in, never succeeding.
Shoot the barrier people. It's not invincible.
KevMan1815
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My nerf McCree idea
is put Fan and Flashbang on the same cooldown. Do you want to stun or do big damage. Gotta pick time is running out!
that is a joke, do not take seriously,
super-famicom
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I think you mean pay for sprays.
I don't mind the microtransaction model in this game at all
You keep bring it up, we know. He beats flankers. Oddly enough both Genji and Mei stand a chance but there's luck required.
Who cares about that though? The problem lies with how fast he kills tanks without much of any effort. No one here argues he kills non-tanks too quickly.
styl3s
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You think those comments are bad go read the kotaku article and read the comments below. People actively find reasons to dismiss this game its pretty hilarious
Mei, Tracer, Genji, Reaper will still die 1V1 against a post nerf McCree. They will only tone down his damage against the tanks.
Should've said "Let it go"
Glass Shark
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That's why Reinhardt needs situational awareness just as much as his teammates. There's no reason to be on the front lines with your shield up if you don't have a team there to actually take advantage of it. You're just going to get your shield popped and it won't be there when you actually need it.
Mei players suck. They're the first players I focus.
The pieces of shit on this forum makes me rage like Winston on his ult.
Fucking cheaters, i'm so glad Blizzard works against them fast, hope it continues.
The high skill is incorrect unfortunately
The only high skill character is Reaper.
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