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Overwatch |OT2| A New Low in Unlocking and Microtransaction Systems
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The Omega Man
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Jeff Kaplan knows what's up, can't detect any lies here
Chronospherics
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0.08% of 7,000,000 is 5600.
That's not a bad sample size to determine the implications that the higher bandwidth has.
Based on that quote I was expecting the standard Blizzard flood of non-answers, but the full thing is actually quite in-depth. Kaplan is not just another Brode, which makes me feel a lot better about OW's future.
PayOffWizard
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I think junker D.Va will be my first purchased skin.
I think hes kinda hard to have a bad game with. Hes like 76 just pretty easy to play.
When i use him i tend to stick to the point and use healing boost as much as possible. He's awesome on Ilios as well as his Sonic Amplifier can easily knock people off the map.
Kor of Memory
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Stay mobile cuz you're hard to hit and help with the offense while healing near your team. I spam the healing constantly and I can easily win even with randoms. He's a lot of fun to play and his super can be a gamechanger in keeping your guys alive in OT
The Omega Man
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Also releasing one new Hero at a time, oh boy, Sombras Sombras everywhere!
Chronospherics
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That's going to need a patch very quickly if it's accessible and they can shoot down as well as up.
Sir Blaming
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I just want blizzard to say something about SEA players lagging to all hell, I don't even care if its a passive aggressive statement.
Just say something. It's almost been a week.
Just say something. It's almost been a week.
Kor of Memory
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It looks like they're just under the bridge. Likely she placed them there while jumping off the payload.
I don't expect it to be a crazy issue or anything. It would still require some setup, and a dead defending team to allow that to happen.
i checked and i did get a lose for it
Kor of Memory
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TrAcEr_x90
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Someone told me over mic last night, you can change the controls for Lucio to hold down Lshift for switching heal. Didn't realize there are character specific control settings for abilities.
the game currently has no 'worthless' characters unless you're only playing in whatever tournament metagame currently exists. I dominate matches as Zenyatta and I assure you the nerf he got was way bigger than what McCree is in for.
So... you won't play McCree unless he remains as he currently is?
My friend does this hold down thing and I don't know what the hell it is. When I play Lucio I just press shift to switch from speed boost to healing and vice versa.
I agree with McCree and D.Va but the other two not so much.
Mei's problem is being able to freeze so quickly. I am not talking about her ultimate, but her normal attack. Not only do you freeze quickly, you also can get frozen right after you unfreeze if you manage to survive the first freeze. It allows for very little counter play and usually results in a garunteed death. While her wall and invulnerability are annoying, you can always walk away and focus on objectives or other enemies.
Lucio is not tanky at all, he is super easy to take out. The only reason why he seems to survive longer is because for some reason when he jumps 5 feet off the ground people forget how to aim and don't out DPS his heal. If he drops his ult just on himself consider that a win cause its a huge waste just saving himself with it.
Your goal with Lucio is not to have gold medal in health. That should literally happen automatically unless you're a sap and leave speed aura on.
Your goal is gold medal objective time, eliminations and objective kills. Lucio does very solid damage, occupies a ton of space with suppressive fire, and has a lot of survivability. He is excellent, for example, at poking out turrets and snipers.
I've gotten POTG with her a few times. Take out a few people with your "pew pew" and revive seems to be a good combo to get you on there.
I have never been legit annoyed/irritated playing Overwatch until today. I always had this guy on my team that absolutely refused to stop playing Torb. It didn't matter if we were attacking ,defending, which map or game mode it was, he wasn't changing. It's obvious he is one of these people that has a "main." Today it really shown how that can handicap a team if it isn't built around that. We were at such a disadvantage. He'd just be off building turrets at weird spots and not giving out armor.
Shake Appeal
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Okay, now go into the settings for Soldier 76 and Zarya and turn on friendly health bars.
that blows, at least give out armor. What a lazy fuck.
What is this about?
Incidentally Genji and D.va both underwent nerfs during the beta whereas Mei only received buffs. You know what to do Blizzard.
Chronospherics
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Yeah I was going to say at 200 hp Lucio isn't exactly tanky...
With that said, he could be easier to kill. As a support it feels like he is harder to take down than most 200 hp characters like Widow, Hanzo, Mercy, etc. because of his self heal. Taking down Lucio can force you to go through 400+ HP, and with speed boost and knock back he can also get away where the others cannot.
I think the issue is that he regens health while taking damage so with the knock back and evasiveness considered, he has a lot more sustain than a support has the right to possess. This is actually more of an issue on console, where players tend to be less accurate, and a Lucio wall running around the edge of the objective can survive for much longer.
I think it might be better if there were a very brief delay before he could self-heal after taking damage. That way, if he was being assaulted by someone, he couldn't just outheal it and run around.
Garrett Hawke
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Just got a chest for 500 coins from a loot box 😱
Didn't even know that was possible!
Didn't even know that was possible!
Hey buddy, let me use my Torb!
TheAngryMonkey
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I think people are entirely overreacting to this notion of a 50% win rate. If matchmaking is working properly, no matter your skill level, then you should approach a 50% W/L. Attempting to achieve a 50% W/L for all players is a commendable goal and shouldn't be shat on because high skill players consistently shitting on lower skill players is a terrible, discouraging experience for lower skilled players.
Rockandrollclown
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I think I may have encountered that guy a few days ago. When I joined, his team was talking shit to him for picking torb on attack and he just responded with that being the only character he plays. I should have encouraged him since I was on the other team, but I made it my mission to keep an eye on him and blow up his turrets before he could ever get them to level 2 the whole game.
Why for those two characters? Is it just to know when to heal and shield?
Shy Fingers
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Resurrect 4 people at once, instant PotG
Poodlestrike
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Pretty much exactly this. 50% winrate is the desired end goal for matchmaking, since it means that you're matched up with people who are essentially exactly as skilled as you are, and each match is determined by minute improvements or failures on each side.
TrAcEr_x90
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Its basically healing at all times unless you hold down shift. The regular way is toggle. It works really well as healing because I forget sometimes what I have it on with so much action going on.
Other that the thrill of winning, what do you get if you win? I see so much rage about people losing and being on bad teams, but how much of a benefit is it to win? I know you get additional XP, but is there any other benefit? Until there's a ranked, I stopped caring so much about winning or losing. I don't rage as much when I see 2 widows on my team when we are escorting.
buy teh haloz
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Played against a team with 3 Zaryas... sooo many shields.
HubbaBubba
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Played against a team that used 5 Torbs for defense this morning........
Hope your team switched to counters.
HubbaBubba
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In a pub game.... of course not.
Chronospherics
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I get that and I understand its merits, but then what dissociates ranked from unranked games? If all my games end up as sweaty high-skill matches after a while, why switch between casual and unranked? Sometimes you just want to play a game and chill with a regular distribution of player skill levels. I enjoyed my time on PC games where I could just jump in a server and there would be all manner of skill levels represented.
It just reminds me of Rocket League. I enjoyed messing about and playing the game for a laugh, then I reached Gold III in ranked and every match would be incredibly intense. That in itself is fine, but at the same time, when I played casual games I would regularly be matched with Fysho, Gibbs, Kronovi, and MikeRules.
Even more of an issue is the way that these games take an average of your skill based rank when you are playing with others, therefore if you are playing with a rank 1 friend (hypothetical skill ranking range 1-60) and you are 49, then the MM places you against a ranked 25 team. However there is nothing to suggest that two players of skill 25+25 are equal to someone of skill 49+1. This often leads to frustrating missmatches and you can see this in actual games, where your entire team is outperforming there's, but your team is being undermined by a one or two weak links occupying a tank or support role.
When coupled with the lack of transparent scoring, it's a real issue, because you cannot explicitly isolate these mismatches and weak links. You also have no tangible metric to whether you're performing well (relative to team / opposition within your role).
It also doesn't encourage anyone to perform better, as poor performance is rewarded with easier games. So every crappy Widowmaker out there will stay crappy because she will be afforded a team and level of play that accommodates her inept skill level.
A final note, it also invalidates all of this score sharing and comparison that people are doing. Talking about their KDR and performance, when that performance is relative to an invisible skill based system. Maybe if that system was transparent, but as it is, it's hard to tell if you are performing well, or improving and that isn't very interesting in my opinion. I don't see much point in having two identical systems either. I always liked the way Halo did it, where ranked was the focus, but social games also existed. What's the point in getting better than other players, if you never get the opportunity to play anyone worse than you? while at the same time, have no metric for your performance, or category for your level of skill.
Did they swap chars to counter yours? Also, taking the second point on 2 point maps can be really easy if the defense tries to contest point A when it's obviously lost. Had a match on hanamura where we struggled to get A but when we did, three of us just looped around the left side to B while most of the defense was still over by A. They all tried to rush back to defend but came in at different times rather than as a group and just got picked off and lost. If you can get in on point B before the defense has a time to set up you can usually just roll over them and win.
Garrett Hawke
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Even if they did, it probably wouldn't help.
You realize that all matchmaking systems work like the bolded right? If the system is able to accurately match you with people of a similar skill level then you should only be winning about 50% of the time.
Also I don't understand how the aiming thing is a problem? The game is no counter strike. It's not just about your accuracy, but also how you team of characters with unique abilities is able to function as a team. Part of that is there will be characters where game sense and other factors are more important.
I assume that the difference will be that competitive will have a modified ruleset, and once it drops noone in casual is going to complain about your team comp. Your argument about matchmaking systems is weird. People either tend to want to do better or not care about their performance. I think very very few people will intentionally throw games to have a lower mmr.
PayOffWizard
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This is true, Even with counter characters you still need a modicum of teamwork to take out multiple turrets.
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