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just keep tossing out armor, people will always use it
Aaronology
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Most notably with Winston, they've already attempted to balance heroes around stacking. He was nerfed hard to account for Twinstons' effect on the game. Ditto D.Va. But adding a hero limit in the default game mode seems much more reasonable than trying to adjust heroes on the assumption there will be two or more of them. With all the things I love about OW so far, stacking seems to be the one oversight on Blizzard's part. I'm really glad the competitive scene has started acknowledging the damage it's doing to the game.
Shake Appeal
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I kinda felt this way before I played him, but he's cool and a superb KotH pick. Also, his jacket is nice.
You can hear her use it on the enemy team, its just really quiet compared to everyone else screaming in the match.
Kayo Police
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I do Mercy is equally as useful and a main reason why she's a stable of every pro team. Better healing, Damage boost that makes competent Widows and McCree do stupid amounts of damage. Was originally part of the early game OP Duo Combos aka Pharah/Mercy (Splash Sisters). Has a freaking UNDO Button to instant reset a situation.
If Mercy had more ways to defend herself than guess whereyour precious Lucio would be... where Zenyatta is currently in the meta game, IE in the trash next to Mei and Hanzo.
Stacking 2 Lucio is pointless unless you need to speed boost Symmetra to lay turrets near enemy spawn.
Not happening.
It's be nice if the game yelled out "BULLSHIT WALLHACKS ONLINE, DON'T MOVE". Might make it less broken.
TheRedSnifit
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Well, yeah. If caught off-guard at close range by a class designed for close range, naturally the long range class is disadvantaged. However, no class hardcounters Widowmaker directly per se (like TF2's Soldier in a sense). She has counters, but most are situational or soft; nothing just outright "beats" Widowmaker like McCree does Tracer or Widowmaker does Bastion.
This is obviously a problem when talking about a character that can instantly delete almost every class at any range with a hitscan weapon.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Good, good. Now let's see it implemented in Quick Play, Blizzard.
Hero stacking should be constrained to customs and special Brawl modes.
RandomExpletive
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I agree, he is loads of fun to play... and has a cool jacket
Its always fun to mess with Genji's who think they're hot shit. Fire a few rounds so they waste their E, and then just pop em with your helix as they scurry away
BlackGhost
Banned
Just bought the Anubis skin for Pharah
think it's my favorite skin for her
think it's my favorite skin for her
Some people are just creative as hell god damn, that was beautiful.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Just bought the Anubis skin for Pharah
think it's my favorite skin for her
*high five*
Anubis is her best skin, easy. One of the best skins in the game period, really.
Even without stacking in mind 1k bubble shield that was on cooldown before it went away is bad design.
CountAntonius
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Yea. Two McCrees or two winstons for pushing is becomingthe norm. With 21 Heroes and more coming there is no reason not to have a class limit. Their rationale is wanting to see teams try crazy.line ups on the fly and the other team needing to try to counter them but what ends up happening is good Heroes being overlooked because a dupe is just better in every way.
March of the Crabs
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Posting for new page before I give up:
Can any Canadian quickly give me the last 4 digits of the UPC code on their PS4 or Xbone Origins edition (provided it's not from Walmart)? Pleaseeeeeee
Can any Canadian quickly give me the last 4 digits of the UPC code on their PS4 or Xbone Origins edition (provided it's not from Walmart)? Pleaseeeeeee
littleworm
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So do we know when the weekly brawl changes? Want to try something other than the garbage arcade mode.
Stiler
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Man, how did Mei get past testing? I mean is there ANYONE who finds stuns "fun" gameplay?
It's about the total opposite of every other character in the game that you can counter or do something against, nothing fun about getting near mei being froze over and over and dying because you can't do anything to stop it and then her ult freezing entire teams.
It's annoying and just feels at odds with the fun aspects of everyone else.
If'd be one thing if there were ways to counter it, but even a freaking ulted Winston can be frozen and becomes useless.
It's about the total opposite of every other character in the game that you can counter or do something against, nothing fun about getting near mei being froze over and over and dying because you can't do anything to stop it and then her ult freezing entire teams.
It's annoying and just feels at odds with the fun aspects of everyone else.
If'd be one thing if there were ways to counter it, but even a freaking ulted Winston can be frozen and becomes useless.
esmith08734
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Anyone on Xbox One?
Poodlestrike
Banned
You can counter Mei; just be Pharah. You exist outside her effective range, other than her rt, but unless she's got astonishing aim you're going to win that shootout 9/10 times.
That's how it was early on in the beta, with the turret being more powerful but they decided against it. There are two problems with how it was I can see:
1) It encourages babysitting the sentry because it requires more than a time investment. This also means people will put sentries in "safer" spots which are further back and less useful. Moreover, this snowballs into Torbjorn not moving up to get scrap since it means moving far away from the sentry.
2) His second ability is giving out armour scraps, so if sentries cost scrap, that discourages tossing out scrap and instead makes people horde it just in case the sentry breaks.
Well, it's happening in the competitive leagues right now, so I can definitely see Blizzard takes notice.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
The feeling when your team has a Hanzo on assault who
-can't aim
-comes up in the kill feed a LOT
-doesn't hit anyone with his ult
-won't change characters
-can't aim
-comes up in the kill feed a LOT
-doesn't hit anyone with his ult
-won't change characters
Look at Hearthstone's competitive formats for an example of Blizzard taking notice.
They don't. They never do.
Stone Ocean
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She's short ranged, of course she has counters.
And yes, freezing Tracers and Reapers in place after they use their mobility tools is definitely fun
BlackGhost
Banned
New weekly brawl tomorrow? Does anyone know the schedule for these
9 out of 10 Hanzos I see are this. "Hanzo we already have a Widow can you pick a healer because I'm playing tank and our other three are all playing Soldier 76?" "Then why don't you pick it" and never talk again.
Ecto311
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I am but terrible so far. Unless I play bastion
Goose_Se7en
Banned
Next time, stay alive or have a healer keep you alive so you can jump on the point yourself. Maybe that would have assured you and your team a victory.
Ah ah ah, the last Blizzard game I played was Warcraft III, so it seems I'm out of touch lol...
Suzushiiro
Banned
Counter-argument: hero stacking being viable is a symptom of imbalance in hero design, so it should be fixed via that rather than outright banning hero stacking.
Then again, part of the reason why things like this and pick/ban systems in MOBAs are a thing in the first place is to allow the competitive scene to correct for balance issues themselves so it's not entirely on the developer.
It absolutely 100% should not be a thing in quick match, though, as that's just going to result in loads of "BAWWWW YOU PICKED THE HERO I WANTED TO PLAY CHANGE IT SO I CAN PLAY WHO I WANT OR I'LL FEED" and "LOL GET TROLLED I PICKED THE HERO YOU WANTED TO PLAY"
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
McCree has a stun and can basically 1v1
anyone, how do you feel about him
Don't want to get frozen, stay out of range
So stupid that in this day and age, you still have people saying things like "You're so gay"
And the second one is great, what goes up...
esmith08734
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Add me, Eric020890
ValeYard
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Are most people playing on PC? I have over 200 on my friends list on ps4, but am constantly playing solo. The four people actually playing never respond, which sucks as you get more exp for playing in a group. It's like being punished for having no friends.
If anyone wants to group up, my Psn is ValeYard13.
If anyone wants to group up, my Psn is ValeYard13.
It's not really imbalance in hero design, it's that many of the heroes synergize with themselves more than they synergize with the rest of the cast. Lucio double speed boosts, Winston shields, Reinhardt defence, etc.
I mean I'm not arguing against her usefulness...just think she is way way more boring to play as than Lucio
Check out the spreadsheet and discord server in the OP. There a lot of people playing on PS4
Stone Ocean
Member
It's a symptom of "imbalance" because these heroes weren't balanced with stacking in mind. For example, a single Winston isn't nerf worthy, nerfing the characters directly just makes it so that the stacking is enforced because they'll be weaker by themselves, killing more varied compositions instead if not outright killing characters.
I'd rather stacking gets nixed instead of encouraged.
Yeah. You already get punished for playing with randoms.
You should get an extra one every 10 levels imo
TheRedSnifit
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No, it's terrible design. You should never be completely useless in an FPS, ever. Fuck stuns so hard.
That would awful. Even more people would try for the sick killz instead of playing the objective.
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