There's nothing wrong with attacking on anything but Numbani IMO
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There's nothing wrong with attacking on anything but Numbani IMO
Pick Pharah, D.Va, heck even Reaper with his teleport or Junkrat with his bomb jumps, and go around left to the objective. Even if you die and your team didn't quite get there, chances are the entire enemy team has turned around and headed for the point, letting your team advance a bunch. After that its just regular old pushing the cart strategies.
RandomExpletive
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TurboButts
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As a PS4 player, I'm confident that I'm never going to get that Lucio trophy. And Lucio is my most played character.
I find the best attacking ones are the capture type maps where you fight for control of a point.
Fuck payloads tbh.
Remapping the jump button to something like L2 is key to get that trophy. But yeah, it's dumb. Only 0.1% of Overwatch players on PS4 have it. lol
ElBoxyBrown
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Route 66 and Hollywood.
At the very least you have to change your buttons for Lucio to even attempt that. I swapped it to L1 since his crossfade being on X is fine.
Aaronology
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Your post basically comes down to "git gud" or "l2p". It ignores a good bit of data that shows certain heroes are utterly dominating the game via winrate and pickrate and instead blames players for not knowing what to do or being unwilling to counterpick. Blizzard has buffed and nerfed the cast several times already, and they will continue to do so in the future. There is nothing wrong with wanting OW to be balanced.
Attacking would be better if a) pubs didn't pick snipers when they shouldn't, and b) turrets weren't busted.
I'm playing a game so of course I'm selfish. Everyone is when playing the game and blizzard actually did a great job with the replacement system. There's really no need to penalize people when you can get people to fill the spots in as much time as a respawn takes. You're not losing the game based on that small insignificant amount of time especially if the team was bad enough to be worth leaving in the first place.
Guess I'll just have to keep with the attitude of fuck the people who want to keep punishing people when the system in place makes their leaving not effect the game in any real meaningful way.
Sometimes offensive sniping can be super effective, but I agree pubs have a tendency to go sniper as opposed to a counter pick.
Turrets aren't busted, just get some explosives on that shit. Junkrat, Pharah, Snipers if you have LOS, and Tracer's ult can all counter pretty well. If its bastion then just grab him as Roadhog or snipe him.
The Genji nerf is stupid as hell (he can't heal and its harder to be effective with him) but I agree with Lucio, these seem like high teir nerfs.
Dragoshi1
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That Overwatch Gibralta map is awful on Attack. I always get lobbied with a team who cannot work together at all, and can barely get the payload to the 2nd checkpoint.
I have 101 matches and 60 wins, and it absolutely sucks when you're put on a team that won't cooperate.
I at least wish we could customize the message wheel a bit more, with phrases like "get on the payload", "cap the point", "Protect me", ect.
I have 101 matches and 60 wins, and it absolutely sucks when you're put on a team that won't cooperate.
I at least wish we could customize the message wheel a bit more, with phrases like "get on the payload", "cap the point", "Protect me", ect.
Aaronology
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Those are totally valid counter strategies that won't be at all effective if they've double stacked turrets with a team synergized around protecting them.
On PC you can bind specific callouts to keys including stuff not on the wheel.
Sir Abacus
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The best I will probably ever do with Zarya,
Overtime went for two minutes.
Overtime went for two minutes.
Super skilled snipers are going to choose their best position regardless. It's when a team is already set up but then someone changes their position to sniper because of the suggestion even thought they suck ass and don't help the team at all. Sniper should not be a suggestion.
I actually like every map except the russian map. Hate that damn map on both offense and defense
They'll prolly nerf Fan The Hammer pretty soon. I agree that he is a bit much in the hands of a good player, but still not impossible to deal with. That said, the McCree example is not indicative of the reasoning behind most nerf calls. Most of them are just bad players looking for things to blame their bad playing on.
Again, I agree that being able to burn a full-health tank down with a right-click is a bit much. The selfish "I wanna be the best" nerf calls actually diminish the legitimate balance issues that exist because of the McCree meta.
It is not always the case that a drop-out doesn't disadvantage the team. In my experience, it usually does, and also usually takes longer than a respawn. It is also really irritating to be constantly shuffled between half-finished games because people can't be bothered to finish them. There were times when it took me a full 40 minutes to actually get into a full-length game. There are genuine consequences to people dropping out of matches.
yeehamuffins
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*sigh* Played in a match recently with two Widowmakers and 1 Hanzo... on Attack. Nothing worse than running back from the spawn point and seeing a bunch of blue and yellow arrows nowhere near the objective, because people are hiding on ledges and barely managing to pick off two people while doing nothing to help capture the point.
For the record, though, I don't think turrets are broken at all. But when you have a combination of a well-placed turret that you'd have to get right up into the capture point to see, and a team that does a fairly good job of protecting said capture point from anyone getting close... even if you manage to pull a sneaky flank and take out the turret by yourself, the rest of the enemies will cut you down and then the turret goes right back up while you charge back from the spawn point. So without a group that knows how to coordinate their assault, it's just a slaughter. I think I might have read it somewhere else, but it's definitely true in my experience: a good offense requires the entire team to coordinate, but a good defense only requires 2 or 3 of them to team up. And for one of them to be a turret.
ElBoxyBrown
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I think Blizzard should add matchmaking that does not allow groups like CoD's Mercernary mode.
Here's what I think would make for some light but effective balance changes:
- Increase McCree's damage falloff
- Possibly give McCree's single shots a brief spread cooldown similar to TF2 Spy's revolvers
- Increase Widowmaker charge time
- Alter Widowmaker's charge-damage curve so low charged shots do less damage but higher charged shots increase in damage at a faster rate up to the original 100% damage after a certain point
- Increase volume of Widowmaker ultimate announcememt
- Stop Mei from interfering with your aim sensitivity, possibly buff something else to compensate
- Decrease size of D.VA's mech's critical hitbox or decrease the damage her mech takes from critical hits
- Additional Winston tesla cannons stack only 50% damage: so one does 50 dps to a target, 2 does 75 dps, 3 does 87.5, etc.
Additional idea: rebalance Symmetra so she can use her lock-on beam to heal (at a slower rate than Mercy) - maybe the damage she and her turrets does can be converted into stored healing?
- Increase McCree's damage falloff
- Possibly give McCree's single shots a brief spread cooldown similar to TF2 Spy's revolvers
- Increase Widowmaker charge time
- Alter Widowmaker's charge-damage curve so low charged shots do less damage but higher charged shots increase in damage at a faster rate up to the original 100% damage after a certain point
- Increase volume of Widowmaker ultimate announcememt
- Stop Mei from interfering with your aim sensitivity, possibly buff something else to compensate
- Decrease size of D.VA's mech's critical hitbox or decrease the damage her mech takes from critical hits
- Additional Winston tesla cannons stack only 50% damage: so one does 50 dps to a target, 2 does 75 dps, 3 does 87.5, etc.
Additional idea: rebalance Symmetra so she can use her lock-on beam to heal (at a slower rate than Mercy) - maybe the damage she and her turrets does can be converted into stored healing?
That's usually when you need to be on top of ult usage and also considering stuff like spawn trapping.
Oddly enough, I was watching Seagull's stream the other day and he said he's expecting some balance changes because attacking teams are favored in competitive play.
Should be interesting because there are definitely maps that I feel favor the defenders.
Kayo Police
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Maybe I'm weird but I hate King of the Hill maps, never really care much for that kind of style of map.
On a side note what kind of other maps can they come with? We have KotH, CP, adn the hybrids.
On a side note what kind of other maps can they come with? We have KotH, CP, adn the hybrids.
Fortunately most pubs are nowhere near organized enough to do that hahah. It must be a nightmare having to balance for both disorganized pubs and high-level tournament play.
I don't know the name but the desert map for payload is really easy to attack on, especially for the second point. If a team is semi decent they shouldn't lose.
Kayo Police
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*CoughANUBISCough*
It's fucking sad just how many players have been conditioned by Call of Duty over the years. So many people are shit scared of dying or putting themselves in bad situations for the good of the team.
I mean fucking hell you aren't camping for killstreaks or boasting about your K.D ratio to make up for the fact that you have a small penis. Get on the fucking point!!!
and **breathe**
I mean fucking hell you aren't camping for killstreaks or boasting about your K.D ratio to make up for the fact that you have a small penis. Get on the fucking point!!!
and **breathe**
GrandHarrier
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As someone who primarily plays support it's fascinating to watch when no one will pick a support and the team just grinds against the defenses over and over. It was so fascinating to watch I didn't even switch to support myself. I kind of wanted those L's for my team, lol.
I did this recently. Every hero but soldier and tracer have jump on L1 for me now. I suggest gettun used to switching between the two if you like playing those characters though.
Poodlestrike
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I like some of 'em. Ilios Lighthouse is fun, and Ruins is decent. LOVE the Night Market and Garden in the China map, and Sanctuary and Shrine are fun in Nepal.
So... actually, 2/3 of them, lol.
CTF maps seem like a really obvious addition, as do Assault ones.
TheRedSnifit
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"Maybe if we keep doing the same thing over and over again for 5 minutes it'll work"
Payload in Overwatch has the exact same problem that payload in TF2 has had since it was put in the game. For whatever reason, most people treat payload as TDM until the final 60 seconds or so.
They also run in one at a time instead of grouping up
I don't mind KotH but I think they go too fast, they don't allow much time for the other team to turn the match around. if you get the point first your almost garenteed a win that round.
jelly. I've been saving for the wooden bastion for a while.
I think its less that the final push is hard and more that the middle push is stacked in favor of offense. If your teams were evenly matches, then the offense will tend to push until the end, where it stalemates. There is also the counter-picking factor, by the time it reaches the end, people will start swapping hero's and countering what has worked thus far.
There are good strategies for the final push though. D.va and Roadhog's ults in particular, but most ults that can clear out an area work. Plus there is always just pushing them out of the way with Lucio, Pharah, or Roadhog.
Mind-games my friend, if we break their spirit then they won't want to defend against the last push! /s
Wow, nice.
Level 35 now and my last six boxes have all been wwbw. Still just one legendary skin.
Vault Dweller 111
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I'd love CTF. I also think a 3v3 playlist with smaller versions of maps could be fun.
Kayo Police
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Lost 5 matches in a row just now, but at least I got a loot box from it!
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2 sprays, 1 icon, 1 voice quip. And the icon was a duplicate, so I got 15 gold out of it. Fuck you Blizzard.
Also, fuck Torbjorn's turret. Whoever says to just use Pharrah or Junkrat is lying. That thing has way too much range and DPS to kill with them if the person placing it has any sense not to place it out in the open. When Blizzard says it has a range of 40 meters, either their lying or I can't judge distance because it seems to have effectively infinite range.
white white blue white
2 sprays, 1 icon, 1 voice quip. And the icon was a duplicate, so I got 15 gold out of it. Fuck you Blizzard.
Also, fuck Torbjorn's turret. Whoever says to just use Pharrah or Junkrat is lying. That thing has way too much range and DPS to kill with them if the person placing it has any sense not to place it out in the open. When Blizzard says it has a range of 40 meters, either their lying or I can't judge distance because it seems to have effectively infinite range.
I actually was doing the exact opposite to my detriment. I would prioritize objectives over my own life and never dare to retreat. I found that sometimes retreating, or waiting before moving on the objective is often way more effective. Not that I'm excusing other players who leave the one Lucio to defend the point all by himself rofl.
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