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[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

You said the game doesnt run on your computer. I gave you a fix guide.

You're either dense or not listening.

I told you the fixes suggested don't work for me and my PC config. I've tried them all before and they don't work.

So you didn't provide any fix. Just suggestions.

Then I showed you a video, which had the game is running on a pc.

Which was intended to show what? You're still not making any sense.

its either you dont care about the fix, or you dont want to waste your time, reading those guides, which will help you fix the game.

Or, as I already previously mentioned twice now, all the suggested fixes have been tried and don't work.

You should have taken your hint, when I showed you the video. Because that video made your claim baseless, about how your pc cant run the game.

A video of someone playing the game on a completely different PC config made my claim that "the game won't run on my PC config" baseless?!? WTF?!?

You're jumping to shitty strawmen arguments now trying to make a fruitless point.

I never claimed the game doesn't run full stop on any PC. I claimed it doesn't run on my PC.

Your reading comprehension is very poor.

 

[Krathoon]

Sometimes that happens. A game will not run even if you try all the fixes.

 

[kingfey]

You're either dense or not listening.

I told you the fixes suggested don't work for me and my PC config. I've tried them all before and they don't work.

So you didn't provide any fix. Just suggestions.



Which was intended to show what? You're still not making any sense.



Or, as I already previously mentioned twice now, all the suggested fixes have been tried and don't work.



A video of someone playing the game on a completely different PC config made my claim that "the game won't run on my PC config" baseless?!? WTF?!?

You're jumping to shitty strawmen arguments now trying to make a fruitless point.

I never claimed the game doesn't run full stop on any PC. I claimed it doesn't run on my PC.

Your reading comprehension is very poor.

What windows is your pc running? Because all windows 10 have the same configuration.

You are going all over the places. That video is the same pc as me, and yours. His graphic dont change anything. He is working with windows 10 config to make the game work.

I bought the game on steam now. Test it. Only Issue I had, was the capturing screen picture. So I used the xbox app screen shot.

 

[kingfey]

Sometimes that happens. A game will not run even if you try all the fixes.

If I can say something about PC, its that some insane dude will find a fix for it asap. Just like how that specific rule users work, pc games work like that.

 

[Krathoon]

Now, you guys are making me want to run Vampire: The Masquerade- Redemption. I collected it, but never got around to playing it. I did play some of Bloodlines.

 

[ArgleBargleFooferah]

"Pc is a strong platform, because it doesnt need next gen hardware"

Just upgrades to the ram, sound cards and graphics cards every six months to play games.

 

[amigastar]

"Pc is a strong platform, because it doesnt need next gen hardware"

Just upgrades to the ram, sound cards and graphics cards every six months to play games.

Upgrading Sound Cards every six months? What nonsense is that?

 

[kingfey]

Now, you guys are making me want to run Vampire: The Masquerade- Redemption. I collected it, but never got around to playing it. I did play some of Bloodlines.

Steam one works now. I tested it out. Need to play it tomorrow. Its 12 am now.

 

[Krathoon]

Steam one works now. I tested it out. Need to play it tomorrow. Its 12 am now.

They got it on gog too. I may get that version instead of getting my old discs to work. I may install Bloodlines from disc. There was some fan patch for that one that fixed it up.

 

[Kenpachii]

All older games are playable, its a non issue. If you cant get it to run on windws 10, u just run vmware or install a older OS to get shit going or emulate it with vmware.

I can play games that are released on windows 3.11 or dos.

 

[Krathoon]

Upgrading Sound Cards every six months? What nonsense is that?

Yeah. Sound is usually on the motherboard these days. You can also get alot of mileage out of a video card. I still use a 1080 GTX.

 

[Md Ray]

md ray sorry but you're overdramatizing

gtx 770/r9 270 and co. were released in 2012-2013 and they played games up to this year. only last year we saw some games really omit these out. 7 years are a long span for compability

games won't suddenly push dx12_2 right out of the gate. it will take years. metro exodus ee is an extreme exception, no developer can exert and enforce dx12_2 ray tracing requirements upon people in short term. it happened in metro exodus bcoz that game has a normal version that you can fall back to. you're not being locked out of that game. you're just being presented a better, nextgen version of it. just like cyberpunk but they decided to do it on another level for some marketing reason

games will have similar "normal" versions for 2-3 years. all dx12 compliant gpus like gtx 1060/rx570 will keep gaming 2-3 years. after 2-3 years, there may be native dx12_2 requiring games. and at that point, 1060/570 and co. will be 7-8 years old and people would've moved on already. i bet there will be some new budget king 1060 type of dx12_2 gpu at 200-300 dollar price tag

its true that at some point gpus get obsolete. but it takes very long. i never see any gpu go unsupported by games less than 5 years. maybe in 2000s. not in 2010s.

I admit I might have gone a little overboard on that. So I apologize kingfey . One thing is certainly true and I agree that PC is the best back-compat machine out there bar none, not to mention being able to emulate many generations of countless console games. My only gripe was with the "PC doesn't need next-gen hardware" and that you only need graphics card changes to keep pace statements, which I don't think are true. I was recently speaking to one of the gaffers, they had an RTX 3080 paired with an i7-6700K (which is no slouch, btw) and were only getting around 43fps avg in CP2077 with crowd density set to medium, RT disabled. And the main reason they got a 3080 was to play at 60fps w/ ray tracing... So it's a CPU bottleneck. Plain and simple. i.e. you spent a ton of money on the GPU only to find out that you're not using that GPU to its full potential. Now you need to upgrade the motherboard, the CPU, RAM to take full advantage and get the most out of your GPU. I reckon upcoming open-world and wide linear games are definitely going to require some beefy CPU due to consoles being outfitted with 16 threads. You see the point is, PC hardware requirement does change and get bigger as new consoles enter the market.

 

[Armorian]

Upgrading Sound Cards every six months? What nonsense is that?

He is clearly from 1995.

 

[rofif]

This thread is beautiful. It proves exactly what pc is... A bunch of people arguing over not working game and fixes.
Yet my house of the dead still don't work damn it.

I have a bunch of win95 and 98 PCs in the basement. I still need a 3dfx for them. Not sure if trio3d can run House of the dead. They are so fucking heavy to bring up here. I live on 3rd floor and it's like 4 trips to get it all up here. Fuck I need a house.
Meanwhile my 360 is just a nice small decoration on my shelf. I can plug it if I need. In fact I did just that least year and we finished a bunch of coop games like edf 2017 that are not on pc. If I want to do something with my old PCs, it's a long process and it's not easy to find drivers for old stuff and move them to those PCs! Games too. But that's my hobby sometimes

 

[SenkiDala]

Sometimes that happens. A game will not run even if you try all the fixes.

Well then you don't try hard enough / well enough.

OP is exagerating, a lot, but his point isn't so wrong.

A bit of my background first : I play since the GB/NES/SNES, then a N64, PS1, GBA, PS2/NGC/Xbox/Dreamcast and basically every consoles since then (until the XO/PS4 included), on the new gen I only got a PS5.
I got a few PCs though (always liked to build them) since 1999, for Half Life 1 & 2, Doom 3, Max Payne, etc etc.

I have a new PC since January (R7 5800X/ 3080 OC, etc) and before this I had a PC from 2012, a mid range PC from 2012 (with a 660Ti).
With my 2012 PC I was able to play Resident Evil 2 remake with mid/low settings, I was able to play of course all the 2D indie games (stardew valley, axiom verge, cyber shadow, the messenger, etc etc) most of 3D games (including Rise of the Tomb Raider, etc).

With a console you're just locked out, if you keep a 360 you can't play Stardew Valley, Axiom Verge, etc etc. On PC the limit is your hardware, you can today have a PC from 2006 and play current indie games.

 

[Patrick S.]

They got it on gog too. I may get that version instead of getting my old discs to work. I may install Bloodlines from disc. There was some fan patch for that one that fixed it up.

The GOG version comes with the unofficial patch and runs fine.

 

[SoloKingRobert]

you can




1080p, ultra settings at 30fps, medium-high for 60 fps.
And this is the 3gb version of the card on top of that.

Unless you mean ray tracing, but thats a dumb requirement considering the game doesn't need it to look great.

He had Motion blur effect on highest Settings, it's like he was using between Xbox 360 and Xbox One graphical settings.

 

[Guilty_AI]

He had Motion blur effect on highest Settings, it's like he was using between Xbox 360 and Xbox One graphical settings.

What does montion blur even has to do with the rest of the graphical settings? High settings will be high regardless.

 

[SenkiDala]

What does montion blur even has to do with the rest of the graphical settings? High settings will be high regardless.

Don't spend time for such people, you're wasting it.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

What windows is your pc running? Because all windows 10 have the same configuration.

WTF are you talking about? All Windows 10 PCs have the same hardware configuration?!?

I'm talking about hardware configuration, of which there's an infinite amount of hardware component multiplicity.

Either you're english is poor or you're just being disingenuous at this point.

 

[kingfey]

WTF are you talking about? All Windows 10 PCs have the same hardware configuration?!?

I'm talking about hardware configuration, of which there's an infinite amount of hardware component multiplicity.

Either you're english is poor or you're just being disingenuous at this point.

How come my pc with rx570 and and ryzen 3 3100 with windows 10, can run the game from steam btw, while your pc can't.

Either there is something wrong with your pc. Or you just don't care about it, and want to whine.

 

[Velius]

NOOOOO YOU CAN'T LIKE WHAT I DON'T LIKE

 

[Kenpachii]

How come my pc with rx570 and and ryzen 3 3100 with windows 10, can run the game from steam btw, while your pc can't.

Either there is something wrong with your pc. Or you just don't care about it, and want to whine.

Because most people are clueless when it comes to PC.

U could play a older game that installed for example dx9 library's, which he doesn't have and boom it doesn't work because library's are missing.

Now normally in that time period it wouldn't be a issue because every piece of software would install dx updates and drivers, today that's no longer the case so u gotta do it manually. It's all non issue's, everything is fixable and u are able to play stuff in far better solutions that u could ever do before.

People need to understand that there are are insane amounts of games on PC. only steam has 50k by itself, in comparison towards the PS4 having only 2,6k games. U can see the difference. And that 50k is far from getting close to all games on PC there are way way way more.

Then another thing comes forwards, is that people buy systems that have no clue what they are doing. Get advised by people that are clueless and burn there money on parts that are fucking useless and don't age for shit.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

How come my pc with rx570 and and ryzen 3 3100 with windows 10, can run the game from steam btw, while your pc can't.

Errrr... because your PC and my PC are not the same hardware spec.... fucking duh!!!!!

Either there is something wrong with your pc. Or you just don't care about it, and want to whine.

So we finally circle back to my original point that PC gaming is not the 1000% universally compatibility nirvana that PC gamers like the OP often purport.

Glad after all this shitty back and forth we can finally agree on this point.

 

[rofif]

Fresh example.
Just trying to launch Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy Remastered and it does not work. Plays title logo and crashes to desktop.
Nice, the pc gaming. so nice. it' 2015 remaster from Aspyr... I know it worked but not anymore,
Solution is to alt-enter after splash videos... ho sure. It destroyed my windows so much, I had to hard restart.
I wonder if ps4 remaster of this game works...

Of course to solve the issue, you have to somehow launch the game in windowed mode and the go full screen with alt-enter.
Just an example but it's often like this. Minor inconveniences that pile up
edit: Then of course it switches my resolution, refresh rate, freezes when change it... so you have to try different combinations.

 

[Skifi28]

my buddy has a 560ti and can still play Dark Souls 3 at 1080p 60.

You can't do 1080p60 on dark souls 3 with a 760, maybe you're thinking of a different game.

 

[MetalRain]

PC platform is strong because everything doesn't change and people want to play games they have purchased before.

Yes
1. You can play really old games
2. You can play on your old pc (if you don't update)
5: Your games won't die out, until the store gets closed permanently.

Maybe
4: Publishers will still get money from the system. (This is quite relative)
6: Digital Pc rules, due to discounts.

No
3: You only need graphic card changes
5: Your games won't die out, until the store gets closed permanently.

Games usually don't die from store dying, for now atleast, GFWL seems like outlier. Sometimes there are rights/license issues, but usually you can continue using games you have bought.

Digital PC doesn't rule due the discounts, but the sheer amount of catalogue. You can play games decades from now and most recent games. Great for long time gamer.

 

[Rivet]

High end PC gaming hardly makes sense now that a recent GPU costs 3 or 5 times the price of a full next gen console and games on those next gen consoles (upscaled to 4K and 60 fps+) are basically impossible to differentiate anymore from the PC versions, when there is even a PC version.

Crypto mining making GPUs unaffordable kinda ended this game outside of hardcore PC fans.

Now yes, playing old games on old PCs is cool, but you can do that on console too from PS4 / Xbox one gen on. Everything is retro compatible now.

 

[Armorian]

High end PC gaming hardly makes sense now that a recent GPU costs 3 or 5 times the price of a full next gen console and games on those next gen consoles (upscaled to 4K and 60 fps+) are basically impossible to differentiate anymore from the PC versions, when there is even a PC version.

Crypto mining making GPUs unaffordable kinda ended this game outside of hardcore PC fans.

Now yes, playing old games on old PCs is cool, but you can do that on console too from PS4 / Xbox one gen on. Everything is retro compatible now.

What is retro compatible? On PS5 you are limited to PS4 games only. On Xbox at least selected library of X/360 and all X1 games will work.

Oh and I think RT is the biggest difference right now, you see poor resolutions (metro) or a lot of missing effects (WDL) in console games compared to their PC/Nvidia equivalents. Next gen version of CP will show it too.

 

[Sentenza]

Now yes, playing old games on old PCs is cool, but you can do that on console too from PS4 / Xbox one gen on. Everything is retro compatible now.

"Driving a nice care is fine, but you can also ride your tricycle while making your propeller hat spin wildly".

 

[Rivet]

For games before PS4 gen (so more than 10 year old or so), yes you can use an old PC (I have one) but frankly, I never play those anymore.

The point is most of the advantages of PC compared to consoles are now gone :
- consoles being x86 will allow playing any older game from last gen on
- games are 60 pfs+ on consoles too
- with diminishing returns, visuals are extremely similar now

The disadvantages are still here though, no AAA console exclusive unless you wait for years for them to come to PC, GPUs cost more than ever with mining (often many times the price of a console), PC gaming being less plug and play too... All that while not gaining much.

The older I get, the more I go consoles and the less I use my PC. I used to upgrade it every 3 or 4 years, now I don't even do that anymore. I don't have time to tinker with settings anymore, I prefer playing with my son these days. Time is precious.

 

[daffyduck]

Well yes, but also no; you can't expect to play new stuff well, or at all, with old hardware.
I don't think people prefer to be on pc because they want to keep replaying Jedi Knight 2.

You can't necessarily expect to play new stuff well even with current hardware....

 

[Fess]

High end PC gaming hardly makes sense now that a recent GPU costs 3 or 5 times the price of a full next gen console and games on those next gen consoles (upscaled to 4K and 60 fps+) are basically impossible to differentiate anymore from the PC versions, when there is even a PC version.

Crypto mining making GPUs unaffordable kinda ended this game outside of hardcore PC fans.

Now yes, playing old games on old PCs is cool, but you can do that on console too from PS4 / Xbox one gen on. Everything is retro compatible now.

It has always sucked economically in my opinion. You have to kinda just accept it or it’ll ruin the hobby.

Just for… fun… I went back to look at old receipts to add up my total costs for my gaming hardware since 2014.

PC:
$6500
(3 GPU upgrades, 2 CPU+MB, M2, 3 screens setup)

Consoles:
$3000
(PS4,XB1,NSW,XB1X,XSX+Exp,PS5)

 

[Hezekiah]

It has always sucked economically in my opinion. You have to kinda just accept it or it’ll ruin the hobby.

Just for… fun… I went back to look at old receipts to add up my total costs for my gaming hardware since 2014.

PC:
$6500
(3 GPU upgrades, 2 CPU+MB, M2, 3 screens setup)

Consoles:
$3000
(PS4,XB1,NSW,XB1X,XSX+Exp,PS5)

Three GPU upgrades since 2014, damn. Where do you sell your components?

 

[Armorian]

Three GPU upgrades since 2014, damn. Where do you sell your components?

In this timeframe i had 7970, 680, 770 (680 died), r290, 970, 980ti, 1070, 2060super and now 3070.

I always sell my GPUs on polish equivalent to ebay (allegro), add some cash and have new (usually used), more powerful GPU.

But this was before current GPU crash so I don't know what's next, i menaged to get 3070 ~msrp.

 

[kingfey]

For games before PS4 gen (so more than 10 year old or so), yes you can use an old PC (I have one) but frankly, I never play those anymore.

The point is most of the advantages of PC compared to consoles are now gone :
- consoles being x86 will allow playing any older game from last gen on
- games are 60 pfs+ on consoles too
- with diminishing returns, visuals are extremely similar now

The disadvantages are still here though, no AAA console exclusive unless you wait for years for them to come to PC, GPUs cost more than ever with mining (often many times the price of a console), PC gaming being less plug and play too... All that while not gaining much.

The older I get, the more I go consoles and the less I use my PC. I used to upgrade it every 3 or 4 years, now I don't even do that anymore. I don't have time to tinker with settings anymore, I prefer playing with my son these days. Time is precious.

Cdpr, bethesda, valve, some Xbox games.

There are more AAA pc games, which comes to console. The only problem is one of the biggest pc publisher is too lazy, and the 2nd one is importing their games to console.

 

[Fess]

Three GPU upgrades since 2014, damn. Where do you sell your components?

My cousin usually buy the GPUs.

My GPU upgrade path:
780Ti>980Ti>1080Ti>3070Ti

I started with a i7 4790K + 780Ti, water cooled, custom shop built. I had nothing, not even a mouse and it was certainly expensive to start that way, but it was an awesome build, silent and extremely stable.

Then I started racing and turned it into a racing setup with three screens, so two more screens bought and upgraded to a 980Ti.

Then came the 1080Ti, at the time it was capable of Ultra settings with three screens. Very very nice card!

After awhile the mb/CPU burned. Bought new RAM and a new SSD before I found the prob.

Eventually bought a whole new AMD build, minus the cabinet. Ryzen 7 3800x, M2 disc, air cooler, fast RAM. Was actually meant to be a Cubase rig but it morphed into a gaming rig.

And finally I bought a 3070Ti a few months ago.

Phew! My life as a PC gamer!

 

[Fess]

In this timeframe i had 7970, 680, 770 (680 died), r290, 970, 980ti, 1070, 2060super and now 3070.

I always sell my GPUs on polish equivalent to ebay (allegro), add some cash and have new (usually used), more powerful GPU.

But this was before current GPU crash so I don't know what's next, i menaged to get 3070 ~msrp.

My way of coping with the costs is to invest in stocks between the upgrades. I let at least a GPU upgrade worth of money sit for 1-3 years, then I sell and upgrade, reinvest and let the money sit 1-3 years again, rinse and repeat. Nvidia is currently up 54% this year alone