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It was considered common knoledge for decades until Xbox PR start to pretend it doesn't matter.
Yeah, I suppose so. I was just impressed at how concisely he articulated it.
It was considered common knoledge for decades until Xbox PR start to pretend it doesn't matter.
Which is why there no disadvantage to selling Xbox games on Playstation.Platform holders get a 30% cut even if its a physical piece of media that is sold. This isn't just digital store fronts. So yes, Sony gets a 30% cut of every copy of every game not published by them that is sold for their platform.
Whenever Xbox is in trouble, somehow the entire industry is in trouble.
. Throwing more hardware at the problem and gaslighting the customer isn’t going to fix Xbox’s problems. Better management teams will.
Correction, spin doctor Spencer says Xbox is profitable. The only question is, how full of shit are you?Xbox is profitable.
Correction, spin doctor Spencer says Xbox is profitable. The only question is, how full of shit are you?
Sounds like a dilemma to me too.Idk who I should trust on this, the guy in charge of the brand or random GAF armchair CEO #726.
What a pickle.
You keep putting your trust in the one individual that have proven wrong time and time again. Such a peach.Idk who I should trust on this, the guy in charge of the brand or random GAF armchair CEO #726.
What a pickle.
You keep putting your trust in the one individual that have proven wrong time and time again. Such a peach.
GAF armchair CEO #726, how funny would it be if that became your tag?If you have evidence otherwise, feel free to post it. Surely as GAF armchair CEO #726, you have plenty![]()
GAF armchair CEO #726, how funny would it be if that became your tag?
You mean to say your posts keep me going? No. People like you keep me posting. Right here, and it's nothing but shitposts.Personally I couldn’t care less, but I’m sure to you it would be life defining. But I guess your deflection means you have no evidence![]()
Of course you’d believe the head of a failing brand. You’ve been sucking Phil’s pickle for a long time.Idk who I should trust on this, the guy in charge of the brand or random GAF armchair CEO #726.
What a pickle.
Idk who I should trust on this, the guy in charge of the brand or random GAF armchair CEO #726.
What a pickle.
The guy in charge of a failing brand who's been lying for over a decade.
Failing and lying
That’s warrior nonsense.
The acquisition lawsuit changed everything.Just an observation, not trying to stir console war sh*t, but I haven't seen anyone defending Phil for the past month or so. In the past, when there were negative Xbox threads, you'd always see a half dozen people defending Phil or Xbox -- trying to explain, telling you you weren't seeing the big picture, blaming things on Sony ponies.
To be clear, I am not talking about regular Xbox fans -- the people who like their Xbox but are clear-sighted enough to understand that Phil and company have made some bad choices and are reaping what they sowed. I'm talking about the Xbox Defenders, the guys who talk as if Phil is a trustworthy fellow just trying to innovate for goodness sake and why can't you guys see it. I haven't heard a peep from any of them for months.
I mean, it's not hard to understand why. It's just different, that's all.
You think Xbox is not failing and Phil has never lied? There's over 10 years of evidence.
Well….. they are slowly gonna be porting all their games to Playstationnand many times Nintendo. Seems pretty helpful to their competitors to me. It’s only Xbox that is gonna lose, here. And MS are clearly OK with sacrificing Xbox for those “industry growth”. I’d say it’s safe to believe them on that one topic. Maybe they are doing Sony and I the so a favour by slowly bowing Outland putting all their games on their competitors platform.I don't believe that for a second
Well….. they are slowly gonna be porting all their games to Playstationnand many times Nintendo. Seems pretty helpful to their competitors to me. It’s only Xbox that is gonna lose, here. And MS are clearly OK with sacrificing Xbox for those “industry growth”. I’d say it’s safe to believe them on that one topic. Maybe they are doing Sony and I the so a favour by slowly bowing Outland putting all their games on their competitors platform.
Whatever Microsoft does they do for their own sake. If they put their games on PlayStation then that is not to help "industry growth". That is to help Microsoft gaming revenue growth. Phil Spencer said as much.....
"you get a lot of publicly traded companies that are in the industry that have to show their investors growth"
“We’re a business. I’ve said over and over. I don’t get any luxury of not having to run a profitable growing business inside of Microsoft."
Xbox consoles are being sacrificed for the greater good of Microsoft gaming. There is nothing altruistic about any of this.
I was being sarcastic about their use of the term “industry growth”. That’s why I dropped in quotations especially. There words not mine. I know they are not doing this for the goodwill of anybody. They don’t even give a shit about their fan base, anymore. Willing to sacrifice their customer base to seek money on platforms outselling their own, instead of doubling down and giving the brand value. Such a waste of potential, Xbox. Really bad leadership, Ever since Peter Moore left.
Cost is going to inform a lot what these "projections" need to be.So who is doing all these internal projections?
Because that is basically what the problem is. A bad internal projection means you misinterpreted the sales potential of your product.
I dare say that having good internal projections close to reality is how any business needed to be successful. If you can't separate the wheat from the chaff, you can't sell the wheat. Redfall was apparently acceptable for release too.
You just know phil is contemplating his existence right now.
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Ah, the classic "it costs so much that it had to be popular".Cost is going to inform a lot what these "projections" need to be.
i said INFORM.Ah, the classic "it costs so much that it had to be popular".
That was the logic for the PS3. It was expensive to build and was sold at a massive loss, so Sony think that it means PS3 is a Bargain. But the customers just see a console that couldn't run 3rd party games very well.
What a customer is willing to pay is not at all related to how much it costs to make it.
i said INFORM.
sometimes is necessary.STOP YELLING! YOU'RE SCARING THE CHILDREN!
sometimes is necessary.
Not trying to start a fight or anything. But sometimes you had to push a product out to decrease losses. But at least internally they need to know their projection was out of whack.i said INFORM.
that is what i am saying. The cost of something will inform how much money needs to be made. BUT companies could have different incentives or ways to look at things.Not trying to start a fight or anything. But sometimes you had to push a product out to decrease losses. But at least internally they need to know their projection was out of whack.
it's like how The Last Guardian on PS4 was never going to be profitable, but since Sony is aware of this they didn't make a big deal out of it.
Its absolutely appalling that Microsoft wants to paint the larger industry as having, coincidentally, the same particular set of issues they seem to be the facing. I get it - he doesn't wanna get canned and all. This industry requires journalists to hold the feet of someone like Phil far closer to the fire though. They can't simply let these folks roll over on them like this.
Whats even worse is how the entire industry, not just Phil mind you, can't seem to decide what to do about Nintendo in this larger talk. Yes, the PS4/Switch generation did see growth coming from the 360/Wii/PS3 generation. Sure, Phil wants to make the correct argument that that growth was in significant part fueled by users leaving Xbox and going over to PS (and PC, increasingly), but new users were coming in. Heck, they themselves back in 2022 were touting numbers about some significant % of XSS users were brand new users to their ecosystem. Sony said a very similar thing bout some significant % of PS5 users were brand new to console gaming back in 2022 as well, then Sony went on to sell even more consoles in each subsequent year (so far) after that, while Xbox sales cratered.
How come journalists don't go into these interviews armed with the fiscal reality this industry is living in? Sure, I get going after Geoff Keighley for not mentioning the historic layoffs at the TGAs last year, but Phil has done at least 3 interviews now with gaming media folks, and to say that hes been treated with kids gloves would honestly be underselling it, given that Phil is essentially going on an 'apology/excuse tour' as to why he had to kill exclusives at XGS. If you care about the folks being laid off and you cover this industry, you should know about the financial aspect of this industry and how the significant metrics for it are going in. If an industry is a collection of folks operating within a market, a body if you will, then the money is the literal blood of it. Every 3 months, the entire industry is forced to spill the beans on how they are doing, and yet none of the folks covering the media side of it care to talk to execs about it. I've legit seen CNBC go after Spencer harder than these folks who are actually in the industry are.
Spencer’s views point to a collision of rising budgets, diversifying business models, and the exceptional financial risk now required to meet the audience expectations of a AAA release. He specifically pointed to the astronomical budgets of big-budget games, which have created a knot of problems that has been a challenge to disentangle.