PlayStation boss on PS4 Pro: our approach isn't reactive this time around

Very few, and there's like 4 UHD players currently on the market. The Xbox One S being one of them.

well apparently that's exactly the point. House said it himself that they aren't focused on physical movies.
physical games sure.

so love it or hate it that's another feature sony decided isn't worth putting up money for. I mean everyone hated the 549 ps3 right? they're only giving you all what you wanted.


I happily bought a 649 (cdn) ps3.

there are only about 121 from last count mostly some newer movies.

Best Buy has around 90 UHD titles listed on their website. Some not released yet. There's a handful of UHD players on the market.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...rue&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys

It isn't. Vocal minority. Echo chamber. You get the drift.


Cheers guys. I'm really not being flippant about the whole thing, but wheras PS2 and PS3 were trojans to get the new disc tech into peoples homes, if Sony don't even have a player available, is it really unexpected that they wouldn't be supporting a new variant of Blu-ray until they maybe have a player on shelves? I'm not saying people don't have the right to be disappointed, but is it necessary for their games console to have a format that isn't even really in the public's mind yet?
 
Sony is not forward thinking? Support cross buy since last gen, at the frontline in VR business, at the frontline in cloud gaming with PS now, first home console mid gen upgrade. MS, who follow each and every step on Sony playbook is the one more forward thinking?

Good post.
Gamers truly suffer from tunnel vision sometimes.
 
They are moving from the mentality of asking what consumers want and going with a "Sony knows best" attitude. Also, they aren't taking the competition as seriously.

Book it right now: if they continue on the current path, they will recreate a PS3/Xbox 360 flip in market share next gen.

hahahahahahahaha
 
I don't think 4k UHD is a deal breaker, but it's odd Sony, the company that also makes movies and helped create the Blu-ray standard opted out and Microsoft opted in. They're right, most people do stream, but perhaps those interested in BDUHD would have got a Pro for that capability.
 
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There's no implication in Andrew's words that Sony doesn't need to be reactive. Pro has been in the works for over two years, and is a clear part of the natural progression the company sees for its platform. PS4 is slowly entering the part of its lifecyle where it will appeal to more price conscious consumers, but at the same time, this generation has clearly displayed that developers require more time to truly take advantage of the hardware they have. A lesson that is somewhat being carried over from the previous generation. This means the generation isn't going to be short, and for it to make sense for us and publishing partners, we have to think on the macrolevel of allowing them to take advantage of things for an extended period of time while not allowing the technology to stagnate as much as it did last generation. It's also a step for us and our developers to the next big thing.

That's what PS4 Pro represents. It's a console that the first party teams will take good advantage of, and all third parties will be use to some varying degree. It's there for the enthusiasts who want the added power and increased visual fidelity, but it's also priced sensibly enough that those who tend to sit on the fence will inevitably have their eyes move in that direction as time goes on. That is foresight, and it's very much the same hungry Sony.

What exactly would be the purpose to react to a console we've become aware of recently, and isn't going to be launched for another year? I don't see Scorpio, and think it's a potential problem. I see it, and know they were caught unaware. The difference is not significant enough to give pause. It's them reacting to what has been done, and trying to undermine the PS4 Pro in advance of its launch.

But we have the largest userbase. Publishers will cater to us first. PS4 Pro isn't going to be neglected in favor of Scorpio. Maybe there'll be some Scorpio games that look better than some of the PS4 Pro games, but it'll mean little in the grand scheme of things. It's clear to me that they made a desperate move, and they're planning on releasing it towards the end of 2017. By the time it launches, Pro will have sold between 5-10 million consoles. And by the time it starts getting into the swing of things, PS5 will be on the horizon and the leap between them will be significant because it will represent a generational leap. The only losers in this scenario will be the few Scorpio buyers who buy into the late move by Microsoft, because it's not only late, but it's also not significant enough that those who have bought the PS4 Pro will somehow feel like they've lost out.

As Denzel puts it. This is chess, not checkers. And Microsoft played themselves because Sony is too busy playing with God.
 
You arent going to have the connections for Scorpio gaming either. If people think Microsoft is going to be pressing 100gb blu-ray discs you are going to have a rude awakening.
In Utah and Iowa; sure. But in the major cities on the US coasts, in Europe and in Asia, pretty much no one in even small cities is without access to high-speed broadband.
 
Due to the connected nature of the PS4, Sony can see how their users utilize the system. I have no doubts they've seen a major trend up in streaming while seeing a massive shift downward in Blu-ray usage.

I'm sure that colored their decision, and why they are confident it won't impact them.
 
Well, to be fair, they are already "winning it", by a large margin. I think they know there's nothing Microsoft can do to overtake the market, at least not during this generation.

If the scorpio is as powerful as it is you can be sure I will be buying multiplatform games on that console instead of the ps4, especially if there is a big gap in terms of visuals.
 
If the scorpio is as powerful as it is you can be sure I will be buying multiplatform games on that console instead of the ps4, especially if there is a big gap in terms of visuals.

You're entitled to do that, as are others, but the majority of people really don't care about power.

At least, not as much as Microsoft are seemingly betting the farm on it.
 
Truth bombs all around but goddamn at the bolded, Verendus.

It's really bizarre seeing all the 'MS flipped the script', 'Scorpio has PS4 by the balls' and even guys like Greg Miller saying how 'MS is laughing their heads off' - when Scorpio will be competing with a potential market of 60+ million PS4 owners by the time it drops. What publisher will be dumb enough to exclude PS4 just to take advantage of Scorpio's power?
The truly bizarre thing is that some journalists eat up all the fanboy drivel and run with it. Like, I want to hear a developers opinion on this stuff, not just the Internet echo chamber being told to me by an um-ing and ah-ing video games journalist. A lot of the time it's like reading a summary of a 50 page Gaf thread.

The figures and all else just offer a totally different reality to the one being dreamed up by some people, this thread being a big example. Reactive? Sony literally just beat them to the punch with a years head start.
 
The reaction question is kinda pointless, especially when someone (Boyes, iirc) from Sony pretty much confirmed its existence before E3
 
The "complacent/arrogant Sony" argument was always ridiculous - especially the suggestion they're shelving PS4 exclusives because they're on top. But they took it to new heights by calling Neo a reaction to Scorpio and not the obvious other way around. Phil Spencer wouldn't be sabotaging his own brand by talking about a product 18-months out, unless he knew it could undermine something big already coming.

Maybe there'll be some Scorpio games that look better than some of the PS4 Pro games, but it'll mean little in the grand scheme of things. It's clear to me that they made a desperate move, and they're planning on releasing it towards the end of 2017. By the time it launches, Pro will have sold between 5-10 million consoles. And by the time it starts getting into the swing of things, PS5 will be on the horizon and the leap between them will be significant because it will represent a generational leap. The only losers in this scenario will be the few Scorpio buyers who buy into the late move by Microsoft, because it's not only late, but it's also not significant enough that those who have bought the PS4 Pro will somehow feel like they've lost out.

I think Scorpio is an exciting product and will have a lot of enthusiastic owners but I can't lie - it's going to play out exactly how Verendus says it will.
 
Slimmer hardware revisions always happen.

I mean he was alluding to the comparison of power between PS Pro and Scorpio. He said since this is their first foray in the new trend , it is too early to confirm scorpio will have the edge. What do you understand? More Pro versions will come. The PS4 S Pro is next.
I think Sony is following Apple path this time.
 
A 4.2 TF console for 399. Its an amazing deal. Scorpio comes out a whole year later anyway. If I was just getting into the console ecosystem in 2017 I would choose Scorpio, but Im too entrenched in the PS ecosystem. Sony will move more consoles in the next 18 months than MS will move in the next 4 or 5 years.
 
It's really interesting to see how the forum reacts to what a mouthpiece says, depending on which mouthpiece says it.

I suppose when we have insider's giving impartial insight into how both MS and Sony have structured their roadmaps, long term goals and strategies for their hardware then we should count ourselves lucky to have such insight.
 
Truth bombs all around but goddamn at the bolded, Verendus.

It's really bizarre seeing all the 'MS flipped the script', 'Scorpio has PS4 by the balls' and even guys like Greg Miller saying how 'MS is laughing their heads off' - when Scorpio will be competing with a potential market of 60+ million PS4 owners by the time it drops. What publisher will be dumb enough to exclude PS4 just to take advantage of Scorpio's power?

So? Did this stop Sony or MS from making their games and consoles with the Wii crushing everyone last gen?

Nope.

You're entitled to do that, as are others, but the majority of people really don't care about power.

At least, not as much as Microsoft are seemingly betting the farm on it.

LOL at this post! Majority don't care about power? What was all the 1080p vs 900p shit talking all about then? What was all the people saying they'll buy 3rd party games on the PS4 because it's more powerful for? Ha ha... some of you have your heads in the sand on this.
 
In Utah and Iowa; sure. But in the major cities on the US coasts, in Europe and in Asia, pretty much no one in even small cities is without access to high-speed broadband.

This is true, but the arguement is that Sony is leaving behind small towns and cities by only including 4k streaming. My point is, if your connection can't handle a 4k stream, you are going to have a pretty tough time with a 4k gaming console period.
 
House's words confirm it. The data and trends point to Bluray and physical media becoming more niche. If there was significant interest or demand, UHD Bluray would have been included.

I say this as someone that wants UHD Bluray to succeed.
 
LOL at this post! Majority don't care about power? What was all the 1080p vs 900p shit talking all about then? What was all the people saying they'll buy 3rd party games on the PS4 because it's more powerful for? Ha ha... some of you have your heads in the sand on this.

You know. If you really think the main reason the PS4 outsold the Xbox One was because it was more powerful, I don't even know what to say.

I just hope for Microsoft's sake, they don't think that way.
 
The PS4pro was a panic creation IMO that would help sell psvr.

If the VR space was half a year behind where it is now, I think Sony would have released a PS4Pro that had more power a year later with Scorpio and at a similar power level. Think occulus, vive and other vr competitor's made them release things sooner. As gaming/playstation is there bread and butter and that they had already invested a decent amount of coin and did not want to be left behind (reducing risk So that they may capitalize more on there investment)

Releasing a slim with the PS4pro gave me that impression as the $100 difference in pricing mean that something had an accelerated release (maybe it was the slim, idk) As I don't think they even needed to release a slim...

Also, don't forget that they prob knew when they had announced there vr that the ps4 og was hilariously underpowered for what the minimum frame rate had to be with there unit, while also factoring in some oompff with the graphical capabilities.

How do you explain the - close to universal - positive hands on impressions of PSVR, running on plain old ps4 hardware then?
 
I love how they got praised for putting games at the forefront for the PS4.

And now are been slammed by the same people because they not putting a unnecessary cost on the machine to cover "movies"
 
I'll be curious to see if/when UHD Blu-ray fails, whether Sony's decision for not supporting it in the PS4 Pro will be considered them dodging a bullet or them being the bullet...

Well it's not like regular Blu Rays are a hit commodity, which they aren't. So why is it that people are assuming that UHD meant for a currently niche market is going to be a sure fire hit?
 
Haha
If it's not reactive then why did they make it? PS4 launched just 3 years ago, they've been winning from day 1, they clearly reacted to something, why else would they come up with the stupid idea that it's needed on the market they're already the leader of?

They might be reactive to the growing PC gaming market or NX more than anything MS is doing though, but it's clearly a reactive approach either way.
 
LOL at this post! Majority don't care about power? What was all the 1080p vs 900p shit talking all about then? What was all the people saying they'll buy 3rd party games on the PS4 because it's more powerful for? Ha ha... some of you have your heads in the sand on this.

The majority is not people who come on forums and argue over pixels, though. The number of people who bought into PS4 simply because of Destiny, and Call of Duty marketing outweighs the number of people who followed "resolutiongate" by a big margin.
 
You know. If you really think the main reason the PS4 outsold the Xbox One was because it was more powerful, I don't even know what to say.

I just hope for Microsoft's sake, they don't think that way.

I am 100% convinced MS thinks this way. So far as to release a hugely more powerful console at well past $400. We'll see what happens!
 
Haha
If it's not reactive then why did they make it? PS4 launched just 3 years ago, they've been winning from day 1, they clearly reacted to something, why else would they come up with the stupid idea that it's needed on the market they're already the leader of?

They might be reactive to the growing PC gaming market or NX more than anything MS is doing though, but it's clearly a reactive approach either way.

From a business standpoint, it allows them to continue to sell a $400 product which generates more revenue.

It's the same reason why Apple releases an iPhone every year.

They aren't reacting to anything.
 
I am 100% convinced MS thinks this way. So far as to release a hugely more powerful console at well past $400. We'll see what happens!

Really? You don't think they have learned any other lessons over the disastrous reveal and launch of the Xbox One apart from the power aspect? That's interesting.
 
I am 100% convinced MS thinks this way. So far as to release a hugely more powerful console at well past $400. We'll see what happens!

They are delusional if they think this. I can't imagine the shitstorm over there if they can't get the 6 TF with a competitive price.
 
Haha
If it's not reactive then why did they make it? PS4 launched just 3 years ago, they've been winning from day 1, they clearly reacted to something, why else would they come up with the stupid idea that it's needed on the market they're already the leader of?

They might be reactive to the growing PC gaming market or NX more than anything MS is doing though, but it's clearly a reactive approach either way.

In that sense it's a reaction to that they've seen mid-gen previously - eyes being turned to shinier pastures (i.e. PC games looking better as the gen wears on). But that's not reactionary, it's being proactive. Wanting to stay on top and broaden their appeal. Spin that as a negative if you wish.
 
So? Did this stop Sony or MS from making their games and consoles with the Wii crushing everyone last gen?

Nope.



LOL at this post! Majority don't care about power? What was all the 1080p vs 900p shit talking all about then? What was all the people saying they'll buy 3rd party games on the PS4 because it's more powerful for? Ha ha... some of you have your heads in the sand on this.

Who has their head in the sand? I didn't say this. The guy you're quoting may not have said this either. You're arguing fanboy bullshit and holding others liable for what some other wackos may or may not have said.

Lol at your post bro, its the typical cornball, "gotcha". I don't care who said what whenever. It matters to some, to others it doesn't. It'll be over a year before we can even see the difference.
 
So? Did this stop Sony or MS from making their games and consoles with the Wii crushing everyone last gen?

Nope.



LOL at this post! Majority don't care about power? What was all the 1080p vs 900p shit talking all about then? What was all the people saying they'll buy 3rd party games on the PS4 because it's more powerful for? Ha ha... some of you have your heads in the sand on this.

Bolded took place on online gaming sites and forums...not something the majority of console owners bother doing. Doesn't prove that power is the most or even one of the leading factors for the success of console hardware. Granted it doesn't disprove it either, but the point is not to read too much into what is being said in enthusiastic websites that only the minority frequent.
 
Really? You don't think they have learned any other lessons over the disastrous reveal and launch of the Xbox One apart from the power aspect? That's interesting.

They are delusional if they think this. I can't imagine the shitstorm over there if they can't get the 6 TF with a competitive price.

They keep playing the "premium product" card and mentioned how they're building this for the gamer that wants raw power.

I dunno, I can easily see them thinking that this would command a $450-500 price tag. They're still releasing XB1 hardware at $399 today, after all.
 
House's words confirm it. The data and trends point to Bluray and physical media becoming more niche. If there was significant interest or demand, UHD Bluray would have been included.

I say this as someone that wants UHD Bluray to succeed.
Yeah I really doubt they want it end up in a situation like the PS3.

That is something they seem to really want to avoid now.
 
I'm not sold at all on mid-gen refreshes, but I'm sure there is a certain group who loves the idea. That being said, it seems that the forum hate PS4 Pro is getting is mostly from fanboys waiting on the sideline for the right opportunity to pounce (i.e., a lot of it not really representational for those with actual intentions of purchasing it). Everyone knew what to expect ahead of time due to the leak. BluRay in general is a niche product as physical media for video, likely confirmed by Sony's own PSN analytics data. I understand why they left it out to hit the 399 price point. After all, the point of the refresh is increased graphical fidelity and/or performance for PS4 games, not making ps4 a better video player.

I'm likely not going to get PS4 Pro or Scorpio because the idea of having to upgrade hardware every 2 to 3 years is appalling to me when that is the antithesis of what console generations are about (and console's primary advantage over pc: hardware investment and compatibility). And if Scorpio is actually only a mid gen refresh, I'd say they are hitting the market too late. Sony will come out with a next gen hardware platform a year or 2 later. I will be waiting for the 9th gen console reveals to determine which one I will primarily be investing in next time (playstation or xbox). This gen it has been ps4. But I'd be willing to switch if the ms offering is really good next gen. If scorpio is it, then I will likely wait for Sony's more powerful machine a year or 2 later because 6 TFLOPs is not really much of a jump from 4.2. A significant leap would be 10+.
 
I think this is a very interesting insight into their thinking.

Interesting. It also suggests we are now mid-cycle, so halfway into the 8th gen for Sony.

PS5 would then likely be a fall 2019 system.

Edit: Posting this makes it seem a lot more obvious than what I meant. What I really mean is that Sony basically confirms they are mid-gen, and therefore any rumours about the end of generations as we know them have been dismissed (as Sony have done more often during the meeting yesterday).
 
They keep playing the "premium product" card and mentioned how they're building this for the gamer that wants raw power.

I dunno, I can easily see them thinking that this would command a $450-500 price tag.

The only way I can see it being $500 in their mind is because their new strategy is to go after the people who are willing to spend the most on their platform.

They've made it pretty clear that if all you do is buy 1 or 2 games a year, they don't really care about you as a consumer when they can make more money off the diehard fans who would be willing to pay $500 like what the Xbox One was at launch.
 
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