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Monroeski

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speculawyer said:
I just don't understand how the GOP can sell a 'fiscal conservative message' with Mitt.

Hi, I'm Mitt. We are running $1Trillion deficits. I make $20M just collecting money on investments and I pay 13.9% in Federal income taxes. I want to give everyone (including myself) a 20% tax cut. And I want to grow the military. I have some some budget 'reforms' that I don't specify. And I'm fiscal conservative here to fix the deficit.

Really? How can anyone take that seriously?
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When your other options float policies like banning internet porn and making the moon the 51st state the range of things you take seriously grows a bit.
 
empty vessel

empty vessel

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EskimoJoe said:
I do find his posts to be some of the most interesting to read. The problem is, the theories he talks about seem so simple and intuitive to me, that I feel as if I'm being swindled somehow. Haha. But every time he posts some link, I'm always sure to read it. MMT just seems to good to be true.
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Ha. It's worth pointing out that MMT proponents run the political spectrum from right to left.

Pragmatic Capitalism, for example, represents the right, pro-capitalist MMT.
Peter Cooper, for example, represents the left, socialist MMT. (Incidentally, I think his blog is excellent and that he is an articulate writer who thoughtfully engages with the right and left wings of MMT.)
Others, such as Bill Mitchell (Australian) and the folks at New Economic Perspectives, generally lean progressive, but would still be considered capitalist. James Galbraith at the University of Texas would be another example that fits this "centrist" mode.

I obviously have most in common with Peter Cooper from a policy perspective, but what they all have in common is a proper understanding of the monetary system. I don't shy away from posting links to Pragcap, for example, even though I won't necessarily agree with all of their policy conclusions. At this point, anything that helps propagate an accurate understanding of our monetary system and its implications is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. That may well be why there seems to be so much amicability among MMT proponents, even those who are politically far apart in terms of what policy they would like to see come from this understanding.
 
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Zzoram

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What I don't understand about Republicans calling people "elite" is that Republicans are all about the idea that personal responsibility and hard work are what lead people to be more successful. Why would someone who became successful from this conservative principle then suddenly be "elite" in a bad way?
 
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SouthernDragon

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Zzoram said:
What I don't understand about Republicans calling people "elite" is that Republicans are all about the idea that personal responsibility and hard work are what lead people to be more successful. Why would someone who became successful from this conservative principle then suddenly be "elite" in a bad way?
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Republicans love the economic elite and hate the intellectual elite. Go figure.

Anyways, why would Massachusetts hate Harvard of all places? You'd think they'd be proud of having one of the world's top academic institutions. What a weird angle of attack to take.
 
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Orbis Tabula

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empty vessel said:
Ha. It's worth pointing out that MMT proponents run the political spectrum from right to left.

Pragmatic Capitalism, for example, represents the right, pro-capitalist MMT.
Peter Cooper, for example, represents the left, socialist MMT. (Incidentally, I think his blog is excellent and that he is an articulate writer who thoughtfully engages with the right and left wings of MMT.)
Others, such as Bill Mitchell (Australian) and the folks at New Economic Perspectives, generally lean progressive, but would still be considered capitalist. James Galbraith at the University of Texas would be another example that fits this "centrist" mode.

I obviously have most in common with Peter Cooper from a policy perspective, but what they all have in common is a proper understanding of the monetary system. I don't shy away from posting links to Pragcap, for example, even though I won't necessarily agree with all of their policy conclusions. At this point, anything that helps propagate an accurate understanding of our monetary system and its implications is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. That may well be why there seems to be so much amicability among MMT proponents, even those who are politically far apart in terms of what policy they would like to see come from this understanding.
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I'm actually reading Bill Mitchell's blog right now. Haha. I'll keep those other ones saved to read later. Thanks for the resources!
 
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Invisible_Insane

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Zzoram said:
What I don't understand about Republicans calling people "elite" is that Republicans are all about the idea that personal responsibility and hard work are what lead people to be more successful. Why would someone who became successful from this conservative principle then suddenly be "elite" in a bad way?
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Because you can be successful without fancy book learnin', you elitist.

SouthernDragon said:
Republicans love the economic elite and hate the intellectual elite. Go figure.

Anyways, why would Massachusetts hate Harvard of all places? You'd think they'd be proud of having one of the world's top academic institutions. What a weird angle of attack to take.
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Republicans love some of the economic elite. It's hard to talk coherently about Republicans as a whole because the factions that make up the GOP don't have that much in common with each other.
 
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NihonTiger90

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It's only one poll, but:

http://news.yahoo.com/santorum-high-gop-gingrich-trouble-women-111037325--abc-news.html

Rick Santorum reached a new high in favorable ratings from Republicans in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, numerically outpointing Mitt Romney among party regulars.

But both candidates remain underwater more broadly, a sign of the toll of their contentious primary campaign.

And then there's the thrice-married Newt Gingrich, resoundingly rejected, in particular, by women: A mere 19 percent of women polled see him favorably, vs. a remarkable 60 percent who see him unfavorably. He's also unpopular among men, by a less garish but still-wide 23-point margin.

Within the GOP, 63 percent express a favorable opinion of Santorum, vs. a 58 percent favorable rating for Romney - not a statistically significant difference, but a challenging one for Romney given his advantages in campaign spending and, until recently, name recognition. Gingrich trails with just 43 percent favorability in his own party, a point away from his low two weeks ago.

Among other groups, Santorum is seen favorably by 54 percent of conservatives, 59 percent of "very" conservatives and 72 percent of conservative Republicans in the poll produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates. That's nine points more than Romney's score in each of those groups, with Gingrich again trailing them both.
Romney, for his part, has been consistently better rated than Santorum among moderates, liberals and independents. On balance, this essentially evens their scores: Among all Americans, 38 percent see Romney favorably; 36 percent, Santorum.

That said, 42 and 40 percent, respectively, see them unfavorably. (Gingrich fares worse: 24 percent favorable, 56 percent unfavorable.)
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TacticalFox88

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speculawyer said:
The GOP has a higher favorability rating than Romney. They are just voting Romney because they think he is more electable. It is now firmly established that Santorum really is popular in the GOP and not just some fringe element as many want to think of him as.
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Which is why Newt needs to suck it up and just drop out. Fuck.
 
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GhaleonEB

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maximum360 said:
PD is Poligaf's eternal contrarian.
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To be fair, this is the first poll to show Warren leading in a while. ~4 others showed Brown leading her before the PPP one came out, so the data is on his side at the moment.

I think Warren will win, as she still has a ways to go in name recognition and as the internals of the poll showed, she's still in the process of locking up Democrats. They'll have come home by election time. I don't think MA voters will split and vote overwhelmingly for Obama and then for Brown.
 
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kehs

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15 minutes until Romney hangs out with regular folk if anyone is interested.

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Aaron Strife

Banned
GhaleonEB said:
To be fair, this is the first poll to show Warren leading in a while. ~4 others showed Brown leading her before the PPP one came out, so the data is on his side at the moment.

I think Warren will win, as she still has a ways to go in name recognition and as the internals of the poll showed, she's still in the process of locking up Democrats. They'll have come home by election time. I don't think MA voters will split and vote overwhelmingly for Obama and then for Brown.
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Please, everyone knows Romney's going to win Massachusetts in a landslide. He is beloved by all!
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
Copernicus said:
Romney: I was washing a shirt in the sink and drying it out with an iron this morning.


Real life, is it this?
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Sounds like Romney...I'm not joking, the guy is country-backwards folksy and ultra-wealthy disconnected from anything remotely resembling normalcy at the same time.
 
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Aaron Strife

Banned
Romney has to wash his own clothes now that he fired all of his illegal immigrant maids (I'm running for office, for pete's sake!)

He's so fucking weird, man. That's what 99% of his problems come down to.
 
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ToxicAdam

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ix months after his Glenn Beck TV launched, it’s relatively clear that Beck’s efforts to build a stand-alone television channel have been successful: 300,000 people are paying either $9.95 per month or $99.95 per year for access to the network, which they can access on their computers, iPads and iPhones, and on their televisions through streaming players like Roku. Between subscriptions and advertising, GBTV is going to make $40 million in its first year.
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http://www.splatf.com/2012/03/link-wsj-gbtv/

Not bad for a mentally ill person.
 
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cartoon_soldier

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Obama Cash on Hand (campaign):

Obama for America raised $21.3 million in February, spent $12.6 million and has $84.7 million cash on hand.
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DNC is more sucky:
The Obama Victory Fund, a joint effort between the Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee, raised $23.7 million in February, spent $18.7 million and retained $7 million cash on hand.
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
So in that video I posted (which none of you butt faces watched, btw :mad: ), Norquist's gloating about how the Reps have a permanent majority in the House for the next decade thanks to re-districting. How dire does that situation look right now for the Dems?
 
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RDreamer

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Idaho lawmaker responds to the bill which requires a woman to have an ultrasound prior to obtaining an abortion, and makes no exception for rape victims, incest victims or women in medical emergencies:

“Rape and incest was used as a reason to oppose this," Winder said on the Senate floor. "I would hope that when a woman goes in to a physician with a rape issue, that physician will indeed ask her about perhaps her marriage, was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage or was it truly caused by a rape. I assume that's part of the counseling that goes on.”
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wow
 
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